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This thread discusses changes to the combined carrier's meal policy. On Friday, 14 Nov 2014, the following e-mail was sent to AAdvantage frequent flyers:


this after an apparent record of the percentage of complaints received in response to earlier announcements (80% of complaints were about the meal cutbacks),

On Monday, August 4th, 2014, American and US Airways both announced their plans for the final aligned meal service effective September 1st, 2014 for both carriers. This Wiki will touch upon in detail the new meal windows, parameters, and what to expect moving forward.

MEAL WINDOWS:

Up to 699 miles (under 2 hours):
Enjoy a light snack such as a fig bar, cookies or pretzels.

700-999 miles (2 2:45 hours)
A heartier selection of snacks such as sandwiches and fresh fruit is served on most flights (Lite Bites), with exceptions (see below).

1,000 1,298 miles (2:45 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy warmed mixed nuts, followed by a three-course meal including a warm cookie for dessert.

1,299+ miles (over 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy an appetizer paired with your entre followed by cake for dessert. On flights over 2,200 miles and over 4:30 hours, you'll also receive a choice of dessert specialty ice cream or a fruit and cheese plate. Redeye flights in the category of 2,200 miles and above will have a snack basket to begin, then will receive an arrival continental breakfast box. (This does not apply to A321 transcons, listed below.)

*There is no meal service on flights that depart after 8:00pm, only beverages and a snack basket. There is also no meal service on flights that depart before 5:00am.

CERTAIN MARKETS:

A321 Transcontinental Service (JFK-LAX/SFO):

  • Refreshing fruit or cucumber-infused water or sparkling wine
  • Warm mixed nuts followed by a three-course meal, with a choice of our signature customized sundae or seasonal fruit and cheese
  • A snack served shortly before arrival

Note: This focuses specifically on A321 transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO), although some members has clarified that LAX-MIA will continue to receive the same level of service. This still remains to be seen.

Hawaiian Flights:

Between Hawaii and DFW/ORD:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Choice of a customized sundae or a fruit and cheese plate
  • Bottle of water
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

Between Hawaii and LAX/PHX:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Pre-made sundae
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

EXCEPTION MARKETS:

Exception flights will fall between approximately 600-999 miles. Those flights will receive the same level of service as the published 1000-1299 miles parameters.

  • Between DFW and: DTW, ORD, SLC, MEX (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between FLL and: PAP
  • Between JFK and: FLL*, MCO, TPA*
  • Between MIA and: IAH, PAP, CAP, DCA (Effective 16-Oct-2014), IAD (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between MSP and: CLT, PHL
  • Between ORD and: BOS, DCA, DEN, JFK, LGA, RDU, AUS (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
*Flights between JFK and TPA/FLL do not currently operate.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:

It was reported from an internal source (but not formally announced) that American Eagle would be discontinuing plated meals and, instead, will offer snack boxes and/or chilled meal boxes on meal flights.

Based on the picture on the websites representing meal service, it is confirmed that American will use US Airways plates, bowls, and other servingware moving forward. Additionally, it has been speculated that tray linens will also be eliminated in lieu of the current US Airways paper tray liner. An AA Twitter representative, however, confirmed that buttonhole napkins would be here to stay.

Additionally on October 1st, American Eagle and US Airways Express flights will follow these same meal time frames with some variations to the service. Flights between approximately 176 and 999 miles will receive snack baskets, and meal flights will feature a chilled gourmet boxed meal. Some popular regional flights between approximately 700 and 999 miles will also receive a chilled gourmet boxed meal.

All information above has been gathered and/or copied from the AA website.

Links:
AA Meal Service
US Meal Service

HISTORICAL INFORMATION:

This section is purely vestigial, primarily concentrating on historical announcements prior to August 4th, showing a path from separate carrier policies to a combined policy.

On February 15, 2014, there was an internal announcement shared here, outlining changes to US Airways' meal policy, as well as a few minor changes on the AA side. The changes would occur in two phases: April and September.

April:
US Airways
The meal windows on US Airways has transitioned from the previous 3 1/2 hours and above window as of April 1st; now, they are serving meals on flights that are 2 hours and 45 minutes, and above (specified as 1,000 nautical miles in the announcement). Light snacks on flights under 2:45 hours has been added, featuring breakfast pastries and fresh fruit for morning flights, as well as finger sandwiches on later flights (known as Lite Bites). New meal window tiers has been added to standardize US Airways meal service:

  • Less than an hour: Nut mix
  • 1 - 2 hours: Snack basket
  • 2 - 2:45 hours: Snack basket plus pastries/finger sandwiches (Lite Bites)
  • 2:45 hours - 3 1/2 hours: Meal service, no appetizer
  • 3 1/2 hours - 4 1/2 hours: Full meal, including an appetizer
  • 4 1/2 hours and above: Full meal service, accompanied by the snack basket

American
An expedited service for shorter, eastbound transatlantic flights (JFK-LHR/MAN/DUB) became the only choice in premium cabins. It was also announced that all eastbound transatlantic flights would receive a more streamlined service, but no visible differences has yet to be reported by FT members.

Over the course of this year (but all mentioned changes will discontinue on September 1st, with the exception of A321 transcons receiving three choices, as well as snack & brunch service for redeyes) a few notable improvements were made to transcontinental meal service, such as sorbets being offered as a breakfast/brunch dessert, supper service (an abbreviated dinner service without an appetizer and sundaes) that replaced snack service on redeyes, and three menu choices of entrees being offered instead of the previous two menu choices.

There were also a few cutbacks in the spring: on Flagship Transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO; MIA-LAX), wherein marinated anti-pasto was discontinued in 3-class First Class lunch/dinner service; and in International First Class, where the wine-tasting course, grey placemats, and grey water glasses were eliminated in May.

Historical Weekly Updates (shared from an internal source):
6/14

  • Emphasis on being a leader, not a follower, according to Doug Parker.
  • Catering and cabin equipment review in progress.
  • FA involvement team to be created.
  • US/IB codeshare has started these past few days.
  • Three cycles of the revision for the joint certificate have been approved by the FAA. FAs now have inflight manual revisions.
  • MIA and JFK catering issues are still being addressed.
  • Visual presentation of the beef in the sandwich on the second meal service from Europe to the United States is being reviewed by F&B and catering in Europe.

6/21
  • Leadership conference focused on restoring AA to greatness.

Reply to negative feedback via website form: (3.5 hr flight RNO-ORD)

Thank you for contacting American. We know that meal options are important to our customers, and we appreciate the opportunity to address your comments about the changes we have made to our First Class meal program.

There are no plans to discontinue the signature services that have set American Airlines apart over the years. In fact, we are investing millions in our product. This includes the existing premium transcontinental service on select markets, and the offering of certain elements that customers have come to appreciate over time such as warm mixed nuts on all meal flights, cookies and premium desserts on longer flights.

Our new Domestic First Class service footprint provides opportunities to not only streamline service but also to enhance the quality of current food components: new salads and entrees. Product offerings are be aligned with the length of flight. For example, appetizers have been added on certain flights, and a new snack basket concept has been introduced on shorter flights. New meal tray elements to modernize presentation have been introduced, including new china and a stemless wine glass.

A component of these changes is to make consistent between American and US Airways the length of flight where a full meal service is offered. Effective September 1, traditional meal service is offered in First Class on flights operated by American that are 2:45 or longer. While this has removed the traditional meal service from some markets served by American, the changes implemented at US Airways earlier this year added meals to many US Airways markets that traditionally have not offered a full meal service.

On flights from 2 hours to 2:45 in length we offer our customers a "Lite Bites" basket with a variety of food options including tea sandwiches, fresh fruit, breakfast breads and sweet and savory snacks. We will, of course, continue to offer complimentary beverages and snacks for our First Class customers on all of our flights, including beer, spirits and our award-winning wine selection.
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 3:25 pm
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Originally Posted by FlightNurse
Was this on a AA or DL flight?
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 3:28 pm
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Originally Posted by FlightNurse
In regards to the warm soup, they must have a thermos set up for it...

I figured it was AA, however, the OP was responding to someone who was talking about DL...
Actually I think he was talking about AA as compared to US, but these threads get hard to follow sometimes.
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Originally Posted by GotCalcio4
Have I misinterpreted the new rules for the sandwiches and breakfast cakes? Is it flights over 2 hours, or is there a mileage component similar to the new meal rules?

I have yet to see this new basket on my weekly PHL-ATL flights. Not that I'm likely missing much, but with terrible storms over the last few weeks on the east coast, these usually 2 hour flights have often turned into 3 or 4 hour flights when you factor in the ground delays. It would be nice to have something other than the usual basket.

So I can actually answer my own question. The Lite Bites are mileage based as well. I received the following rather detailed and descriptive response from the Chairman's desk today:



Dear Mr. Gotcalcio4,

Thank you for contacting US Airways.

We apologize for the late response to your email and any inconvenience that this may have caused you.

We forwarded your inquiry to the appropriate department for review. Below you will see their response.

While the flight time between PHL-ATL is scheduled over two hours, the mileage; which meal schedules are driven by, is 665 miles and Lite Bites service begins at 700 miles.

In discussing meal service with customers and crews we normally discuss time parameters because that is generally understood better than mileage; however in a computer-driven scheduling world, it’s all in the numbers.

Flight times can vary on the same route due to the time of year, time of the day; in addition to upper level wind directions. Therefore, mileage is the true determinant of what is boarded on each flight. In this case, the flight time on the northbound segment is sometimes under 2 hours while the southbound segment is closer to 2 and half hours due to winds and traffic congestion in PHL.

The email you received has a link that takes you to the complete details. On that page the information regarding Lite Bites reads 'most flights'. This was done this way because there would be flights where the meal would not apply.

•Lite Bites, a new snack basket with fresh fruit, breakfast cakes and finger sandwiches, will be offered on most flights 2 - 2:45 hours long, as well as on flights departing after 8 PM.

Thank you for the opportunity to further explain this new service. We look forward to serving you on future US Airways flights.

Sincerely,

Xxx
US Airways
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 10:28 am
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Unhappy Well, guess it's confirmed...



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Old Jul 9, 2014, 11:02 am
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Ouch. Looks like what we all wished wouldn't happen, happened.

I think what has been cut the most is redeye transcons. Looks like the midnight raid/supper service (that was newly enacted) will be gone now?
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 11:07 am
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What about previous Flagship Transcon service? Assuming that at least JFK-SFO/LAX were spared.
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AA doesn't even fly JFK-FLL/TPA anymore
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Yeah, and I also guess MIA-DCA will lose meal service. At least ORD has a carveout for DCA. Majorly disappointing news. I was really hoping the 2:45 threshold was a temporary, transitional timeframe until US got its catering together. At the very least, I thought AA would meet DL/UA with the 900mi threshold, rather than the 1000mi threshold. This now makes AA go from best to worst, literally.

Can someone produce a GCMAP of all AA hubs to cities that are under 1000mi (with the circle thingy)? That way, we can all see which cities will lose meal service. I'm a bit clumsy with GCMap.

Seriously, disappointing day, and I'm majorly bummed. I just hope transcons will be spared (sundaes, etc). It makes no sense that AA recently changed redeye service to be a full supper service; now, it's just beverages and a breakfast box a la US? Makes no sense.
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 11:26 am
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Originally Posted by MrAndy1369
Yeah, and I also guess MIA-DCA will lose meal service. At least ORD has a carveout for DCA. Majorly disappointing news. I was really hoping the 2:45 threshold was a temporary, transitional timeframe until US got its catering together. At the very least, I thought AA would meet DL/UA with the 900mi threshold, rather than the 1000mi threshold. This now makes AA go from best to worst, literally.

Can someone produce a GCMAP of all AA hubs to cities that are under 1000mi (with the circle thingy)? That way, we can all see which cities will lose meal service. I'm a bit clumsy with GCMap.

Seriously, disappointing day, and I'm majorly bummed. I just hope transcons will be spared (sundaes, etc). It makes no sense that AA recently changed redeye service to be a full supper service; now, it's just beverages and a breakfast box a la US? Makes no sense.
As a legacy US flyer, I am right there with you. So much for making AA the best again. That said, why would these slides list JFK-TPA, which they just dropped.
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 11:27 am
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Originally Posted by MrAndy1369
Yeah, and I also guess MIA-DCA will lose meal service. At least ORD has a carveout for DCA. Majorly disappointing news. I was really hoping the 2:45 threshold was a temporary, transitional timeframe until US got its catering together. At the very least, I thought AA would meet DL/UA with the 900mi threshold, rather than the 1000mi threshold. This now makes AA go from best to worst, literally.

Can someone produce a GCMAP of all AA hubs to cities that are under 1000mi (with the circle thingy)? That way, we can all see which cities will lose meal service. I'm a bit clumsy with GCMap.

Seriously, disappointing day, and I'm majorly bummed. I just hope transcons will be spared (sundaes, etc). It makes no sense that AA recently changed redeye service to be a full supper service; now, it's just beverages and a breakfast box a la US? Makes no sense.
The carveouts have to do with competition. MIA and DCA are both AA hubs. So are ORD and PHL (a former exception route that is no longer, while RDU, which only used to have one-way meal service recently got it two ways which will continue). And why you see MIA-IAH (UA hub) gets a carveout but not DCA.

ORD-DCA likely commands enough paid F to warrant the carveout despite two AA hubs on either end?
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 11:58 am
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Originally Posted by grapkoski
As a legacy US flyer, I am right there with you. So much for making AA the best again. That said, why would these slides list JFK-TPA, which they just dropped.
More proof that AA is becoming USdbaAA. Doug Parker definitely wants to be the best - at cutbacks.
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 11:58 am
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There's a website you can use to see which routes are affected:

http://www.freemaptools.com/radius-around-point.htm

Step 1: Type in airport 3-letter code (such as DFW)

Step 2: Type in 600mi for current limit under Radius Distance. Click Draw Radius.

Step 3: Type in 1000mi for new limit. Click Draw Radius again

Cities falling between the two circles lose meal service.

If it really is nautical miles, then you'll need to convert and see how much worse it is.
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 12:06 pm
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Safe to assume that this means UDU's for the combined carrier? No way they could get away with charging for stickers when they've got the worst domestic F soft product out there... (excluding JFK-LAX/SFO, of course)...
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 12:21 pm
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Safe to assume that this means UDU's for the combined carrier? No way they could get away with charging for stickers when they've got the worst domestic F soft product out there... (excluding JFK-LAX/SFO, of course)...
Let's not go that far. AA/US will serve meals on slightly fewer flights than UA or DL. But at the present, both carrier's food is generally much better than UA or DL. So you can't just say 1000 vs 900 = worst carrier.

And yes, they could absolutely charge stickers. Being in F isn't just about a meal.
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