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This thread discusses changes to the combined carrier's meal policy. On Friday, 14 Nov 2014, the following e-mail was sent to AAdvantage frequent flyers:


this after an apparent record of the percentage of complaints received in response to earlier announcements (80% of complaints were about the meal cutbacks),

On Monday, August 4th, 2014, American and US Airways both announced their plans for the final aligned meal service effective September 1st, 2014 for both carriers. This Wiki will touch upon in detail the new meal windows, parameters, and what to expect moving forward.

MEAL WINDOWS:

Up to 699 miles (under 2 hours):
Enjoy a light snack such as a fig bar, cookies or pretzels.

700-999 miles (2 2:45 hours)
A heartier selection of snacks such as sandwiches and fresh fruit is served on most flights (Lite Bites), with exceptions (see below).

1,000 1,298 miles (2:45 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy warmed mixed nuts, followed by a three-course meal including a warm cookie for dessert.

1,299+ miles (over 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy an appetizer paired with your entre followed by cake for dessert. On flights over 2,200 miles and over 4:30 hours, you'll also receive a choice of dessert specialty ice cream or a fruit and cheese plate. Redeye flights in the category of 2,200 miles and above will have a snack basket to begin, then will receive an arrival continental breakfast box. (This does not apply to A321 transcons, listed below.)

*There is no meal service on flights that depart after 8:00pm, only beverages and a snack basket. There is also no meal service on flights that depart before 5:00am.

CERTAIN MARKETS:

A321 Transcontinental Service (JFK-LAX/SFO):

  • Refreshing fruit or cucumber-infused water or sparkling wine
  • Warm mixed nuts followed by a three-course meal, with a choice of our signature customized sundae or seasonal fruit and cheese
  • A snack served shortly before arrival

Note: This focuses specifically on A321 transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO), although some members has clarified that LAX-MIA will continue to receive the same level of service. This still remains to be seen.

Hawaiian Flights:

Between Hawaii and DFW/ORD:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Choice of a customized sundae or a fruit and cheese plate
  • Bottle of water
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

Between Hawaii and LAX/PHX:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Pre-made sundae
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

EXCEPTION MARKETS:

Exception flights will fall between approximately 600-999 miles. Those flights will receive the same level of service as the published 1000-1299 miles parameters.

  • Between DFW and: DTW, ORD, SLC, MEX (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between FLL and: PAP
  • Between JFK and: FLL*, MCO, TPA*
  • Between MIA and: IAH, PAP, CAP, DCA (Effective 16-Oct-2014), IAD (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between MSP and: CLT, PHL
  • Between ORD and: BOS, DCA, DEN, JFK, LGA, RDU, AUS (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
*Flights between JFK and TPA/FLL do not currently operate.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:

It was reported from an internal source (but not formally announced) that American Eagle would be discontinuing plated meals and, instead, will offer snack boxes and/or chilled meal boxes on meal flights.

Based on the picture on the websites representing meal service, it is confirmed that American will use US Airways plates, bowls, and other servingware moving forward. Additionally, it has been speculated that tray linens will also be eliminated in lieu of the current US Airways paper tray liner. An AA Twitter representative, however, confirmed that buttonhole napkins would be here to stay.

Additionally on October 1st, American Eagle and US Airways Express flights will follow these same meal time frames with some variations to the service. Flights between approximately 176 and 999 miles will receive snack baskets, and meal flights will feature a chilled gourmet boxed meal. Some popular regional flights between approximately 700 and 999 miles will also receive a chilled gourmet boxed meal.

All information above has been gathered and/or copied from the AA website.

Links:
AA Meal Service
US Meal Service

HISTORICAL INFORMATION:

This section is purely vestigial, primarily concentrating on historical announcements prior to August 4th, showing a path from separate carrier policies to a combined policy.

On February 15, 2014, there was an internal announcement shared here, outlining changes to US Airways' meal policy, as well as a few minor changes on the AA side. The changes would occur in two phases: April and September.

April:
US Airways
The meal windows on US Airways has transitioned from the previous 3 1/2 hours and above window as of April 1st; now, they are serving meals on flights that are 2 hours and 45 minutes, and above (specified as 1,000 nautical miles in the announcement). Light snacks on flights under 2:45 hours has been added, featuring breakfast pastries and fresh fruit for morning flights, as well as finger sandwiches on later flights (known as Lite Bites). New meal window tiers has been added to standardize US Airways meal service:

  • Less than an hour: Nut mix
  • 1 - 2 hours: Snack basket
  • 2 - 2:45 hours: Snack basket plus pastries/finger sandwiches (Lite Bites)
  • 2:45 hours - 3 1/2 hours: Meal service, no appetizer
  • 3 1/2 hours - 4 1/2 hours: Full meal, including an appetizer
  • 4 1/2 hours and above: Full meal service, accompanied by the snack basket

American
An expedited service for shorter, eastbound transatlantic flights (JFK-LHR/MAN/DUB) became the only choice in premium cabins. It was also announced that all eastbound transatlantic flights would receive a more streamlined service, but no visible differences has yet to be reported by FT members.

Over the course of this year (but all mentioned changes will discontinue on September 1st, with the exception of A321 transcons receiving three choices, as well as snack & brunch service for redeyes) a few notable improvements were made to transcontinental meal service, such as sorbets being offered as a breakfast/brunch dessert, supper service (an abbreviated dinner service without an appetizer and sundaes) that replaced snack service on redeyes, and three menu choices of entrees being offered instead of the previous two menu choices.

There were also a few cutbacks in the spring: on Flagship Transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO; MIA-LAX), wherein marinated anti-pasto was discontinued in 3-class First Class lunch/dinner service; and in International First Class, where the wine-tasting course, grey placemats, and grey water glasses were eliminated in May.

Historical Weekly Updates (shared from an internal source):
6/14

  • Emphasis on being a leader, not a follower, according to Doug Parker.
  • Catering and cabin equipment review in progress.
  • FA involvement team to be created.
  • US/IB codeshare has started these past few days.
  • Three cycles of the revision for the joint certificate have been approved by the FAA. FAs now have inflight manual revisions.
  • MIA and JFK catering issues are still being addressed.
  • Visual presentation of the beef in the sandwich on the second meal service from Europe to the United States is being reviewed by F&B and catering in Europe.

6/21
  • Leadership conference focused on restoring AA to greatness.

Reply to negative feedback via website form: (3.5 hr flight RNO-ORD)

Thank you for contacting American. We know that meal options are important to our customers, and we appreciate the opportunity to address your comments about the changes we have made to our First Class meal program.

There are no plans to discontinue the signature services that have set American Airlines apart over the years. In fact, we are investing millions in our product. This includes the existing premium transcontinental service on select markets, and the offering of certain elements that customers have come to appreciate over time such as warm mixed nuts on all meal flights, cookies and premium desserts on longer flights.

Our new Domestic First Class service footprint provides opportunities to not only streamline service but also to enhance the quality of current food components: new salads and entrees. Product offerings are be aligned with the length of flight. For example, appetizers have been added on certain flights, and a new snack basket concept has been introduced on shorter flights. New meal tray elements to modernize presentation have been introduced, including new china and a stemless wine glass.

A component of these changes is to make consistent between American and US Airways the length of flight where a full meal service is offered. Effective September 1, traditional meal service is offered in First Class on flights operated by American that are 2:45 or longer. While this has removed the traditional meal service from some markets served by American, the changes implemented at US Airways earlier this year added meals to many US Airways markets that traditionally have not offered a full meal service.

On flights from 2 hours to 2:45 in length we offer our customers a "Lite Bites" basket with a variety of food options including tea sandwiches, fresh fruit, breakfast breads and sweet and savory snacks. We will, of course, continue to offer complimentary beverages and snacks for our First Class customers on all of our flights, including beer, spirits and our award-winning wine selection.
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 6:25 pm
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Reading the information posted it would seem like dinner is now served on US flights which have a block time of ~3h. However, the cut-off time for dinner is 8.00p.m. and flights departing later only get some sort of (rather unimpressive) snack basket.

So here's a question for the experts: Do flights scheduled to depart at exactly 8p.m. receive the dinner service or the snack basket?
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Well this sucks. MIA-RDU is affected and that's a flight I paid for a LFBU on in part because of the meal this year. Not anymore. I was really hoping this wouldn't happen and I hate knowing that AA now has a worse meal window than DL AND UA
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Originally Posted by Jasper2009
Reading the information posted it would seem like dinner is now served on US flights which have a block time of ~3h. However, the cut-off time for dinner is 8.00p.m. and flights departing later only get some sort of (rather unimpressive) snack basket.

So here's a question for the experts: Do flights scheduled to depart at exactly 8p.m. receive the dinner service or the snack basket?
Good question. I know US serves dinners on transcons/longer midcons leaving westbound from CLT/PHL (for example, CLT-LAS leaving 8:10pm gets dinner) for a bit after 8pm; AFAIK, as late as 8:30, despite the published 8pm cutoff. I would imagine that would continue with AA flights, too.

If the chart is actually not applicable for transcons (although I can't imagine how it wouldn't be, as it explicitly mentions flights 2200mi and over), then I would imagine transcons will operate by their own rules. A few things make me suspicious that the chart applies to transcons, though, namely the alleged loss of redeye meals, which is a major cut and doesn't make sense, given recent AA improvements.
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 6:30 pm
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I don't view it as the great apocalypse that others do... yet, as long as meal quality doesn't suffer. The only thing that is surprising and disappointing is the 1,000 mile vs. 900 mile cut-off. Then again, a lot of new US routes that I could fly gain meal service. It really doesn't affect me since my DEN-ORD, LAX-PIT, DFW-PIT and MIA-YUL are well above the threshold or exceptions. It's still better than any UA, where I usually eat in the terminal or bring something in board.

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Old Jul 9, 2014, 6:45 pm
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Originally Posted by Herb687

As far as MIA AA types generally think of MIA as a world unto itself and NOT a Transcon market. MIA-Transcon traffic is completely different than SEA/SFO/LAX-BOS/NYC/WAS traffic.
By that you mean it's the most profitable? Because it probably is. MIALAX has 3-class service and lounge access, and is an incredibly important premium heavy business market.
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 9:04 pm
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What about the hot nuts? I seem to remember a similar chart earlier this year for AA that specified nuts + cookies for the shorter flights? Are we to assume nuts are the PM snack? Or will it be the bag of pretzels?
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My advice is to blow up AA's twitter with messages of dissaproval.
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 9:46 pm
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Originally Posted by MrAndy1369
So I've examined AA hubs, and here's the cities that supposedly will lose meal service:

DFW
PHX
DEN
COS
IND
CMH
MSP
CLT
ATL
JAX
MCO
TPA
MEX
CUN (?)

ORD
PHL
BWI
CLT
JAX

Notes: MCO is 1005mi. TPA 1012mi. Can both be edge cases.

MIA
DCA
BWI
IAD
Caribbean cities?

JFK
None that were determined (mostly regional traffic to Midwest cities)

LAX
DEN
SEA (?)

Looks like DFW is the most heavily impacted, while JFK doesn't seem to be impacted. Of course, this could all be wrong, be incomplete, etc. I'm also a bit unsure if the chart means miles or nautical miles - based on the wording (mileage) and carveouts, I'd guess miles, but could be wrong. Feel free to add to this list.
You can add DFW-SDF and DFW-MKE. And ORD-AUS. That is a big one for me. The 1,000 mile limit is just too long.

Oddly, we'll see an improvement on AUS-DFW. Now it's just a tiny Biscoff or a bag of the nasty snack mix. According to the chart we'll get a snack basket. Woo-hoo!

The big question is what will actually be served. Warm nuts? Biscuits for breakfast? Hot meals wherever it says a meal will be served or will it switch to a continental breakfast and lame sandwich/salad choice for the shorter meals, ala DL?

The switch from meal to "lite bites" will certainly be a huge downgrade, per this post in the US forum:
Originally Posted by LSUTigerWes
... She then came around with the regular snack basket (the current usual assortment). After, she made a second pass with the "Lite Bites" snack basket. The lunch/dinner basket has prepackaged sandwiches, bananas, apples, and more chips.

The sandwiches choices are a "Hawaiian Square" (turkey, cheddar, and honey mustard) and "Rosemary Square" (arugula, pesto, and roasted tomato). The Rosemary Square is pretty good.



My First Class meal consisted of one of each of the prepackaged sandwishes, a bag of chips, and Milano cookies for dessert.

For comparison, below is a typical First Class meal served on the same route by AA. The last time I flew on AA in First a couple of months ago, I had the cornmeal crusted chicken with corn maque choux (the corn was delicious and well seasoned, which surprised me for an airline meal).

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Old Jul 9, 2014, 9:54 pm
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Originally Posted by MAH4546
Such as? UA uses RJs on LAXAUS, SFODFW, ORDLGA and MIAEWR to name but a few.
AA flies RJ's on LAX-IAH, LAX-DEN, ORD-DEN, ORD-IAH, and ORD-EWR. UA is all mainline on these routes.

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My advice is to blow up AA's twitter with messages of dissaproval.
Better yet, fly another airline and post the receipt on AA's Facebook page.
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 10:07 pm
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Great Read... (copied from sticky above):


Latest Weekly Update (shared from an internal source):
6/14

Emphasis on being a leader, not a follower, according to Doug Parker.


I swear - I copied the above statement from the sticky at top of page.

DP truly is unbelievable. How in the world do more F food cutbacks translate into "being a leader"?.....

Pathetic. Carl Smith (one of AA founders) must be turning in his grave - honestly.

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Old Jul 9, 2014, 10:15 pm
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Originally Posted by austin_res
AA flies RJ's on LAX-IAH, LAX-DEN, ORD-DEN, ORD-IAH, and ORD-EWR. UA is all mainline on these routes.
Do you honestly think UA is going to be a greener pasture? Go read the UA forums and see how much Jeff & CO love RJs. If you love flying on the E145, then UA is your airline.

Better yet, fly another airline and post the receipt on AA's Facebook page.
Always a good thing to do, but I'd really have to laugh if I were Dougie if someone posted a UA receipt. Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire ...
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 10:19 pm
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Originally Posted by austin_res
AA flies RJ's on LAX-IAH, LAX-DEN, ORD-DEN, ORD-IAH, and ORD-EWR. UA is all mainline on these routes.


Better yet, fly another airline and post the receipt on AA's Facebook page.
Those are all hub-hub or hub to focus city flights for UA so of course UA will be mainline on those routes while AA with less demand would use smaller aircraft.

The routes MAH listed aren't hub-hub or hub-focus city for either airline yet AA manages to use mainline for those flights and UA does not.
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 11:10 pm
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Meh, at least ORD to BOS, DCA, DEN, JFK, LGA, RDU, DFW are excepted, which seems to be the high competitive routes for AA.
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 11:18 pm
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Originally Posted by JW76
It is but one small example of how badly AA (and UA) suck compared to other airlines the world over.

The better question is -- how much do I pay for a 1st class flight (6X as much on average) to get FAR LESS SERVICE AND FOOD.
almost nobody pays for a first class seat for the food. You can get better food than on any airline by paying $100 or less at any 5 star restaurant.

If you are implying AA is worse than a low cost carrier like bangkok airlines, then nobody here is going to take you seriously.
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Originally Posted by ronin308
Those are all hub-hub or hub to focus city flights for UA so of course UA will be mainline on those routes while AA with less demand would use smaller aircraft.

The routes MAH listed aren't hub-hub or hub-focus city for either airline yet AA manages to use mainline for those flights and UA does not.
Exactly. The assertion that AA uses more regional on major routes than UA is laughable. UA is the kong of RJs and, worse yet, won't even serve a meal on a single RJ flight, not even SFODFW.

Also, as for "non-transcons" over 2,200mi, there are I'm sure a few to PHX and LAS.
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