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Meals changes US & AA announced - international and domestic
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This thread discusses changes to the combined carrier's meal policy. On Friday, 14 Nov 2014, the following e-mail was sent to AAdvantage frequent flyers:


this after an apparent record of the percentage of complaints received in response to earlier announcements (80% of complaints were about the meal cutbacks),

On Monday, August 4th, 2014, American and US Airways both announced their plans for the final aligned meal service effective September 1st, 2014 for both carriers. This Wiki will touch upon in detail the new meal windows, parameters, and what to expect moving forward.

MEAL WINDOWS:

Up to 699 miles (under 2 hours):
Enjoy a light snack such as a fig bar, cookies or pretzels.

700-999 miles (2 2:45 hours)
A heartier selection of snacks such as sandwiches and fresh fruit is served on most flights (Lite Bites), with exceptions (see below).

1,000 1,298 miles (2:45 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy warmed mixed nuts, followed by a three-course meal including a warm cookie for dessert.

1,299+ miles (over 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy an appetizer paired with your entre followed by cake for dessert. On flights over 2,200 miles and over 4:30 hours, you'll also receive a choice of dessert specialty ice cream or a fruit and cheese plate. Redeye flights in the category of 2,200 miles and above will have a snack basket to begin, then will receive an arrival continental breakfast box. (This does not apply to A321 transcons, listed below.)

*There is no meal service on flights that depart after 8:00pm, only beverages and a snack basket. There is also no meal service on flights that depart before 5:00am.

CERTAIN MARKETS:

A321 Transcontinental Service (JFK-LAX/SFO):

  • Refreshing fruit or cucumber-infused water or sparkling wine
  • Warm mixed nuts followed by a three-course meal, with a choice of our signature customized sundae or seasonal fruit and cheese
  • A snack served shortly before arrival

Note: This focuses specifically on A321 transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO), although some members has clarified that LAX-MIA will continue to receive the same level of service. This still remains to be seen.

Hawaiian Flights:

Between Hawaii and DFW/ORD:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Choice of a customized sundae or a fruit and cheese plate
  • Bottle of water
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

Between Hawaii and LAX/PHX:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Pre-made sundae
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

EXCEPTION MARKETS:

Exception flights will fall between approximately 600-999 miles. Those flights will receive the same level of service as the published 1000-1299 miles parameters.

  • Between DFW and: DTW, ORD, SLC, MEX (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between FLL and: PAP
  • Between JFK and: FLL*, MCO, TPA*
  • Between MIA and: IAH, PAP, CAP, DCA (Effective 16-Oct-2014), IAD (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between MSP and: CLT, PHL
  • Between ORD and: BOS, DCA, DEN, JFK, LGA, RDU, AUS (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
*Flights between JFK and TPA/FLL do not currently operate.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:

It was reported from an internal source (but not formally announced) that American Eagle would be discontinuing plated meals and, instead, will offer snack boxes and/or chilled meal boxes on meal flights.

Based on the picture on the websites representing meal service, it is confirmed that American will use US Airways plates, bowls, and other servingware moving forward. Additionally, it has been speculated that tray linens will also be eliminated in lieu of the current US Airways paper tray liner. An AA Twitter representative, however, confirmed that buttonhole napkins would be here to stay.

Additionally on October 1st, American Eagle and US Airways Express flights will follow these same meal time frames with some variations to the service. Flights between approximately 176 and 999 miles will receive snack baskets, and meal flights will feature a chilled gourmet boxed meal. Some popular regional flights between approximately 700 and 999 miles will also receive a chilled gourmet boxed meal.

All information above has been gathered and/or copied from the AA website.

Links:
AA Meal Service
US Meal Service

HISTORICAL INFORMATION:

This section is purely vestigial, primarily concentrating on historical announcements prior to August 4th, showing a path from separate carrier policies to a combined policy.

On February 15, 2014, there was an internal announcement shared here, outlining changes to US Airways' meal policy, as well as a few minor changes on the AA side. The changes would occur in two phases: April and September.

April:
US Airways
The meal windows on US Airways has transitioned from the previous 3 1/2 hours and above window as of April 1st; now, they are serving meals on flights that are 2 hours and 45 minutes, and above (specified as 1,000 nautical miles in the announcement). Light snacks on flights under 2:45 hours has been added, featuring breakfast pastries and fresh fruit for morning flights, as well as finger sandwiches on later flights (known as Lite Bites). New meal window tiers has been added to standardize US Airways meal service:

  • Less than an hour: Nut mix
  • 1 - 2 hours: Snack basket
  • 2 - 2:45 hours: Snack basket plus pastries/finger sandwiches (Lite Bites)
  • 2:45 hours - 3 1/2 hours: Meal service, no appetizer
  • 3 1/2 hours - 4 1/2 hours: Full meal, including an appetizer
  • 4 1/2 hours and above: Full meal service, accompanied by the snack basket

American
An expedited service for shorter, eastbound transatlantic flights (JFK-LHR/MAN/DUB) became the only choice in premium cabins. It was also announced that all eastbound transatlantic flights would receive a more streamlined service, but no visible differences has yet to be reported by FT members.

Over the course of this year (but all mentioned changes will discontinue on September 1st, with the exception of A321 transcons receiving three choices, as well as snack & brunch service for redeyes) a few notable improvements were made to transcontinental meal service, such as sorbets being offered as a breakfast/brunch dessert, supper service (an abbreviated dinner service without an appetizer and sundaes) that replaced snack service on redeyes, and three menu choices of entrees being offered instead of the previous two menu choices.

There were also a few cutbacks in the spring: on Flagship Transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO; MIA-LAX), wherein marinated anti-pasto was discontinued in 3-class First Class lunch/dinner service; and in International First Class, where the wine-tasting course, grey placemats, and grey water glasses were eliminated in May.

Historical Weekly Updates (shared from an internal source):
6/14

  • Emphasis on being a leader, not a follower, according to Doug Parker.
  • Catering and cabin equipment review in progress.
  • FA involvement team to be created.
  • US/IB codeshare has started these past few days.
  • Three cycles of the revision for the joint certificate have been approved by the FAA. FAs now have inflight manual revisions.
  • MIA and JFK catering issues are still being addressed.
  • Visual presentation of the beef in the sandwich on the second meal service from Europe to the United States is being reviewed by F&B and catering in Europe.

6/21
  • Leadership conference focused on restoring AA to greatness.

Reply to negative feedback via website form: (3.5 hr flight RNO-ORD)

Thank you for contacting American. We know that meal options are important to our customers, and we appreciate the opportunity to address your comments about the changes we have made to our First Class meal program.

There are no plans to discontinue the signature services that have set American Airlines apart over the years. In fact, we are investing millions in our product. This includes the existing premium transcontinental service on select markets, and the offering of certain elements that customers have come to appreciate over time such as warm mixed nuts on all meal flights, cookies and premium desserts on longer flights.

Our new Domestic First Class service footprint provides opportunities to not only streamline service but also to enhance the quality of current food components: new salads and entrees. Product offerings are be aligned with the length of flight. For example, appetizers have been added on certain flights, and a new snack basket concept has been introduced on shorter flights. New meal tray elements to modernize presentation have been introduced, including new china and a stemless wine glass.

A component of these changes is to make consistent between American and US Airways the length of flight where a full meal service is offered. Effective September 1, traditional meal service is offered in First Class on flights operated by American that are 2:45 or longer. While this has removed the traditional meal service from some markets served by American, the changes implemented at US Airways earlier this year added meals to many US Airways markets that traditionally have not offered a full meal service.

On flights from 2 hours to 2:45 in length we offer our customers a "Lite Bites" basket with a variety of food options including tea sandwiches, fresh fruit, breakfast breads and sweet and savory snacks. We will, of course, continue to offer complimentary beverages and snacks for our First Class customers on all of our flights, including beer, spirits and our award-winning wine selection.
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Old Jul 13, 2014, 9:17 am
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Originally Posted by MAH4546
It remains to be seen how US shuffles the trans-con definition. Will PHL and CLT be added? Will RDU and MCO maybe be removed?
Or something like BOS-PHX (longer than LAX-YYZ)?
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Originally Posted by MAH4546
Trans-con service is not affected by this change. DFWANC is considered a trans-con.

Trans-cons are flights with SAN, LAX, SFO and SEA on one end and MIA, PBI, MCO, TPA, RDU, DCA, IAD, JFK, BDL, YYZ and BOS on the other end, as well as DFW-ANC.
Is that confirmed? The chart references 2,200+ miles, which doesn't leave many flights of that length that are not transcons by your definition.
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Old Jul 13, 2014, 4:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Stripe
Is that confirmed? The chart references 2,200+ miles, which doesn't leave many flights of that length that are not transcons by your definition.
Exactly. And some transcons to CLT, such as SAN/LAXCLT, actually fall under 2,200mi. Would AA treat those as non-transcons? Doesn't make sense.

PHL to all west coast cities are over 2,200mi.
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Old Jul 13, 2014, 5:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Stripe
Is that confirmed? The chart references 2,200+ miles, which doesn't leave many flights of that length that are not transcons by your definition.
It doesn't need to leave "many," it just needs to leave one. BOS-PHX is a non trans-con route that is over 2,200 miles and falls under the new chart. I am also willing to bet PHX-ANC (2,500+ miles) won't get the same trans-con exception as DFW-ANC.

It also remains to be seen how CLT-West Coast is defined.
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Old Jul 13, 2014, 5:27 pm
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Originally Posted by MAH4546
It doesn't need to leave "many," it just needs to leave one. BOS-PHX is a non trans-con route that is over 2,200 miles and falls under the new chart. I am also willing to bet PHX-ANC (2,500+ miles) won't get the same trans-con exception as DFW-ANC.

It also remains to be seen how CLT-West Coast is defined.
Just to clarify on a few things:

a) how do you know the chart presented does not specify towards transcons? Are you saying 2,300mi is the transcon standard and would be separate? The chart shown says over 2,200mi, which implies transcon service.

b) Are you saying that ANC-PHX, despite being well over the transcon standard at 2,500mi, will not receive transcon-level service? Why would that happen? Especially if DFW-ANC gets transcon-level service?

c) CLT is on the east coast, so one would assume it gets transcon service. This is based on the fact that LAX-RDU gets transcon service currently on AA. RDU isn't much further from CLT.
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Old Jul 13, 2014, 6:49 pm
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The schedule for PHX-ANC-PHX is closer to European than domestic except red-eye. Get into ANC at 2am PHX time and depart about 3am PHX time. As such a lot of people sleep a good portion of the n-bound and most of the s-bound.

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Old Jul 13, 2014, 8:08 pm
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Originally Posted by MrAndy1369
Just to clarify on a few things:

a) how do you know the chart presented does not specify towards transcons? Are you saying 2,300mi is the transcon standard and would be separate? The chart shown says over 2,200mi, which implies transcon service.
Because the chart is titled "Non-Transcon Meal Windows," although that's not on the published images. I'm saying that trans-con is defined as a flight between "City A" and "City B," regardless of that flight's length.

Miami and San Diego are each trans-con cities on both sides (right now), so even at 2,267 miles, it retains trans-con meal service.

Boston is a trans-con city, but Phoenix is not, so at 2,300 miles, it does not have trans-con meal service.

We'll see the real answer in a few weeks, but as of now I'm confident that trans-con meal service is not affected based on what I heard this week.

b) Are you saying that ANC-PHX, despite being well over the transcon standard at 2,500mi, will not receive transcon-level service? Why would that happen? Especially if DFW-ANC gets transcon-level service?
DFW-ANC is significantly longer than ANC-PHX.

c) CLT is on the east coast, so one would assume it gets transcon service. This is based on the fact that LAX-RDU gets transcon service currently on AA. RDU isn't much further from CLT.
There is certainly no guarantee that RDULAX will remain a transcon service route. We'll see how "trans-con" is defined soon enough - it could very well be just MIA/JFK-LAX/SFO.

The changes do not affect me since I don't fly affected routes often, if at all, but it's one of the many reasons I'm switching to Virgin America. I don't like Doug Parker and I will not support his business.

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Old Jul 13, 2014, 8:14 pm
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Originally Posted by BoeingBoy
The schedule for PHX-ANC-PHX is closer to European than domestic except red-eye. Get into ANC at 2am PHX time and depart about 3am PHX time. As such a lot of people sleep a good portion of the n-bound and most of the s-bound.
The northbound isn't really all that unusual -- the last bank of transcons out of PHL and CLT operate almost the same schedule relative to the point of origin. Departure around 8pm, with arrival at 1-2am Eastern.
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Old Jul 13, 2014, 10:25 pm
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The northbound isn't really all that unusual -- the last bank of transcons out of PHL and CLT operate almost the same schedule relative to the point of origin. Departure around 8pm, with arrival at 1-2am Eastern.
True, but the other direction departs after midnight local and arrives in the AM, like a red-eye transcon. My point on the n-bound is the arrival time - 1am local - means that a lot of people will want to get some sleep. Having often flown SEA-FAI with roughly the same departure/arrival times I can definitely say that many are sleeping about half the flight or more. On FAI-SEA, again roughly the same departure/arrival times, most are sleeping for most of the flight.

Just saying the meal service could be affected.

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Old Jul 14, 2014, 9:32 am
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Originally Posted by MAH4546
Because the chart is titled "Non-Transcon Meal Windows," although that's not on the published images.
Where did you see the chart titled Non-Transcon? If the new AA keeps transcon catering than I would accept these changes. Given they are adding a snack basket which AA has never had. I was most concerned about the end of transcon meal service, which AA does better than anyone on most routes.
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 11:25 am
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Do we even have any confirmation that the posted policy is correct?
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 11:29 am
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Do we even have any confirmation that the posted policy is correct?
Nope!
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Old Jul 14, 2014, 11:57 am
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Nope!
Just typical FT hysteria and speculation over something that may or may not happen.
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... something that may or may not happen.
Sure such may or may not happen.

However, given the poster has demonstrated clear and credible links with the airline industry in the past I would suggest the former far more likely.
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Old Jul 15, 2014, 4:31 am
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What is this "1-Step", "2-Step" business? We are eating a meal, not participating in a waltz.
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