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Meals changes US & AA announced - international and domestic
[Discussion]This thread discusses changes to the combined carrier's meal policy. On Friday, 14 Nov 2014, the following e-mail was sent to AAdvantage frequent flyers:
this after an apparent record of the percentage of complaints received in response to earlier announcements (80% of complaints were about the meal cutbacks),
On Monday, August 4th, 2014, American and US Airways both announced their plans for the final aligned meal service effective September 1st, 2014 for both carriers. This Wiki will touch upon in detail the new meal windows, parameters, and what to expect moving forward.
MEAL WINDOWS:
Up to 699 miles (under 2 hours):
Enjoy a light snack such as a fig bar, cookies or pretzels.
700-999 miles (2 2:45 hours)
A heartier selection of snacks such as sandwiches and fresh fruit is served on most flights (Lite Bites), with exceptions (see below).
1,000 1,298 miles (2:45 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy warmed mixed nuts, followed by a three-course meal including a warm cookie for dessert.
1,299+ miles (over 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy an appetizer paired with your entre followed by cake for dessert. On flights over 2,200 miles and over 4:30 hours, you'll also receive a choice of dessert specialty ice cream or a fruit and cheese plate. Redeye flights in the category of 2,200 miles and above will have a snack basket to begin, then will receive an arrival continental breakfast box. (This does not apply to A321 transcons, listed below.)
*There is no meal service on flights that depart after 8:00pm, only beverages and a snack basket. There is also no meal service on flights that depart before 5:00am.
CERTAIN MARKETS:
A321 Transcontinental Service (JFK-LAX/SFO):
- Refreshing fruit or cucumber-infused water or sparkling wine
- Warm mixed nuts followed by a three-course meal, with a choice of our signature customized sundae or seasonal fruit and cheese
- A snack served shortly before arrival
Note: This focuses specifically on A321 transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO), although some members has clarified that LAX-MIA will continue to receive the same level of service. This still remains to be seen.
Hawaiian Flights:
Between Hawaii and DFW/ORD:
- Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
- Choice of a customized sundae or a fruit and cheese plate
- Bottle of water
- Selection of snacks prior to arrival
Between Hawaii and LAX/PHX:
- Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
- Pre-made sundae
- Selection of snacks prior to arrival
EXCEPTION MARKETS:
Exception flights will fall between approximately 600-999 miles. Those flights will receive the same level of service as the published 1000-1299 miles parameters.
- Between DFW and: DTW, ORD, SLC, MEX (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
- Between FLL and: PAP
- Between JFK and: FLL*, MCO, TPA*
- Between MIA and: IAH, PAP, CAP, DCA (Effective 16-Oct-2014), IAD (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
- Between MSP and: CLT, PHL
- Between ORD and: BOS, DCA, DEN, JFK, LGA, RDU, AUS (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
It was reported from an internal source (but not formally announced) that American Eagle would be discontinuing plated meals and, instead, will offer snack boxes and/or chilled meal boxes on meal flights.
Based on the picture on the websites representing meal service, it is confirmed that American will use US Airways plates, bowls, and other servingware moving forward. Additionally, it has been speculated that tray linens will also be eliminated in lieu of the current US Airways paper tray liner. An AA Twitter representative, however, confirmed that buttonhole napkins would be here to stay.
Additionally on October 1st, American Eagle and US Airways Express flights will follow these same meal time frames with some variations to the service. Flights between approximately 176 and 999 miles will receive snack baskets, and meal flights will feature a chilled gourmet boxed meal. Some popular regional flights between approximately 700 and 999 miles will also receive a chilled gourmet boxed meal.
All information above has been gathered and/or copied from the AA website.
Links:
AA Meal Service
US Meal Service
HISTORICAL INFORMATION:
This section is purely vestigial, primarily concentrating on historical announcements prior to August 4th, showing a path from separate carrier policies to a combined policy.
On February 15, 2014, there was an internal announcement shared here, outlining changes to US Airways' meal policy, as well as a few minor changes on the AA side. The changes would occur in two phases: April and September.
April:
US Airways
The meal windows on US Airways has transitioned from the previous 3 1/2 hours and above window as of April 1st; now, they are serving meals on flights that are 2 hours and 45 minutes, and above (specified as 1,000 nautical miles in the announcement). Light snacks on flights under 2:45 hours has been added, featuring breakfast pastries and fresh fruit for morning flights, as well as finger sandwiches on later flights (known as Lite Bites). New meal window tiers has been added to standardize US Airways meal service:
- Less than an hour: Nut mix
- 1 - 2 hours: Snack basket
- 2 - 2:45 hours: Snack basket plus pastries/finger sandwiches (Lite Bites)
- 2:45 hours - 3 1/2 hours: Meal service, no appetizer
- 3 1/2 hours - 4 1/2 hours: Full meal, including an appetizer
- 4 1/2 hours and above: Full meal service, accompanied by the snack basket
American
An expedited service for shorter, eastbound transatlantic flights (JFK-LHR/MAN/DUB) became the only choice in premium cabins. It was also announced that all eastbound transatlantic flights would receive a more streamlined service, but no visible differences has yet to be reported by FT members.
Over the course of this year (but all mentioned changes will discontinue on September 1st, with the exception of A321 transcons receiving three choices, as well as snack & brunch service for redeyes) a few notable improvements were made to transcontinental meal service, such as sorbets being offered as a breakfast/brunch dessert, supper service (an abbreviated dinner service without an appetizer and sundaes) that replaced snack service on redeyes, and three menu choices of entrees being offered instead of the previous two menu choices.
There were also a few cutbacks in the spring: on Flagship Transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO; MIA-LAX), wherein marinated anti-pasto was discontinued in 3-class First Class lunch/dinner service; and in International First Class, where the wine-tasting course, grey placemats, and grey water glasses were eliminated in May.
Historical Weekly Updates (shared from an internal source):
6/14
- Emphasis on being a leader, not a follower, according to Doug Parker.
- Catering and cabin equipment review in progress.
- FA involvement team to be created.
- US/IB codeshare has started these past few days.
- Three cycles of the revision for the joint certificate have been approved by the FAA. FAs now have inflight manual revisions.
- MIA and JFK catering issues are still being addressed.
- Visual presentation of the beef in the sandwich on the second meal service from Europe to the United States is being reviewed by F&B and catering in Europe.
6/21
- Leadership conference focused on restoring AA to greatness.
Reply to negative feedback via website form: (3.5 hr flight RNO-ORD)
Thank you for contacting American. We know that meal options are important to our customers, and we appreciate the opportunity to address your comments about the changes we have made to our First Class meal program.
There are no plans to discontinue the signature services that have set American Airlines apart over the years. In fact, we are investing millions in our product. This includes the existing premium transcontinental service on select markets, and the offering of certain elements that customers have come to appreciate over time such as warm mixed nuts on all meal flights, cookies and premium desserts on longer flights.
Our new Domestic First Class service footprint provides opportunities to not only streamline service but also to enhance the quality of current food components: new salads and entrees. Product offerings are be aligned with the length of flight. For example, appetizers have been added on certain flights, and a new snack basket concept has been introduced on shorter flights. New meal tray elements to modernize presentation have been introduced, including new china and a stemless wine glass.
A component of these changes is to make consistent between American and US Airways the length of flight where a full meal service is offered. Effective September 1, traditional meal service is offered in First Class on flights operated by American that are 2:45 or longer. While this has removed the traditional meal service from some markets served by American, the changes implemented at US Airways earlier this year added meals to many US Airways markets that traditionally have not offered a full meal service.
On flights from 2 hours to 2:45 in length we offer our customers a "Lite Bites" basket with a variety of food options including tea sandwiches, fresh fruit, breakfast breads and sweet and savory snacks. We will, of course, continue to offer complimentary beverages and snacks for our First Class customers on all of our flights, including beer, spirits and our award-winning wine selection.
Meals changes US & AA announced - international and domestic [Discussion]
#1381
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Agreed.
Most on here could be on a flight with a generic crew and cabin and have service set to any of their standards and not tell the difference between them.
I haven't done DL in F, but on everyone else I've flown, there is a serious lack of distinction between the airlines except on some very small details. We're looking at a serious case of "my airline is better than yours!" kids' game here folks.
Most on here could be on a flight with a generic crew and cabin and have service set to any of their standards and not tell the difference between them.
I haven't done DL in F, but on everyone else I've flown, there is a serious lack of distinction between the airlines except on some very small details. We're looking at a serious case of "my airline is better than yours!" kids' game here folks.
#1382
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I flew AA on Monday 9/1 and experienced the reduced level of service in First Class on LAX-DCA. I must say the lack of the Flagship service is certainly noticeable. No more menus, linen table clothes, cheese plates, cookies, sparkling water and more. Also the entree selection has gone from three to two. It does not feel like the same AA. Also as a disclaimer, I was a revenue F pax and not upgraded. AA needs to revise this service level back to Flagship Service or I, along with other premium pax, may look elsewhere when buying First Class travel.
Choice of a warmed sandwich or salad with roll; a bowl of soup; and a cookie for dessert.
#1383
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#1385
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Agreed.
Most on here could be on a flight with a generic crew and cabin and have service set to any of their standards and not tell the difference between them.
I haven't done DL in F, but on everyone else I've flown, there is a serious lack of distinction between the airlines except on some very small details. We're looking at a serious case of "my airline is better than yours!" kids' game here folks.
Most on here could be on a flight with a generic crew and cabin and have service set to any of their standards and not tell the difference between them.
I haven't done DL in F, but on everyone else I've flown, there is a serious lack of distinction between the airlines except on some very small details. We're looking at a serious case of "my airline is better than yours!" kids' game here folks.
#1386
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I'd actually say UA E+ is better than US F. The former doesn't fool you into what your getting - it's a very roomy economy seat - while the latter tricks you into thinking you are getting a first class ticket, when it's just a wide seat with free vodka and vending machine snacks.
#1387
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For where? Another airline that's more or less the same? Not going to happen in most cases. The issue with UA - and this is from my experience as a 1K who flew half the time in international J - is that loyalty meant zero. Anything I wanted, be it upgrades, better seats, or whatever could be instantly purchased with loyalty having negligible impact. Why? Because they'd sell it to anyone who wants to kick in a few bucks before following through to their commitment to "elite" FFs. When that's the deal, I'll just buy it if I need to fly UA and direct my business to an airline that gives me something for loyalty.
#1388
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I don't fly U.S. carriers internationally anyway, so that's a moot point for me.
#1389
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#1390
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For where? Virgin America and JetBlue - excellent domestic products in coach and up front (although for now JetBlue's premium cabin service is limited), and Virgin has a decent FF program. When I want to fly F, I buy F, and I'm happy to pay that on Virgin America, with great seats and excellent catering even on short flights. And when I' happy in coach, I'm better off in the back of a JetBlue or Virgin America plane than UA/US/DL.
VX is similar - the product is available in quite limited quantities and on a relatively small network. And said "decent" FF program is revenue based - something pmAA loyalists would scream more loudly about than a snack basket.
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#1392
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VX is similar - the product is available in quite limited quantities and on a relatively small network. And said "decent" FF program is revenue based - something pmAA loyalists would scream more loudly about than a snack basket.
Just take a look at the pre-order choices on AA.com. All PMUS junk except on the three "AFS" trans-con routes. Also backed up by the pictures people are posting.
#1393
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The hyperbole is definitely funny, and shows our passion on this subject, but I just worry that if we keep exaggerating that management won't take us as seriously as they need to. We're not a bunch of loons complaining that the new tray liners aren't elegant enough for us, or that we're too good for sandwiches from a basket -- we have some very serious suggestions for what needs fixing in the new program.
#1394
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It's just one data point, but my flights (that have pre-selectable full meals) this weekend have meal choices that are equivalent to the previous AA choices... Yes, most of them have a slightly different sauce or something, but otherwise nearly identical. (Same french toast with a different compote, the meat/Mac-and-cheese/broccoli entree switched from chicken to beef, etc.). I don't fly US so I'm not sure if they tested these entrees over the summer in that pilot program or not, but these all sound more PMAA than PMUS to me.
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Quite positive. All snacks are gone. Replaced with 'lite bites' and/or 'snack basket.'