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This thread discusses changes to the combined carrier's meal policy. On Friday, 14 Nov 2014, the following e-mail was sent to AAdvantage frequent flyers:


this after an apparent record of the percentage of complaints received in response to earlier announcements (80% of complaints were about the meal cutbacks),

On Monday, August 4th, 2014, American and US Airways both announced their plans for the final aligned meal service effective September 1st, 2014 for both carriers. This Wiki will touch upon in detail the new meal windows, parameters, and what to expect moving forward.

MEAL WINDOWS:

Up to 699 miles (under 2 hours):
Enjoy a light snack such as a fig bar, cookies or pretzels.

700-999 miles (2 2:45 hours)
A heartier selection of snacks such as sandwiches and fresh fruit is served on most flights (Lite Bites), with exceptions (see below).

1,000 1,298 miles (2:45 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy warmed mixed nuts, followed by a three-course meal including a warm cookie for dessert.

1,299+ miles (over 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy an appetizer paired with your entre followed by cake for dessert. On flights over 2,200 miles and over 4:30 hours, you'll also receive a choice of dessert specialty ice cream or a fruit and cheese plate. Redeye flights in the category of 2,200 miles and above will have a snack basket to begin, then will receive an arrival continental breakfast box. (This does not apply to A321 transcons, listed below.)

*There is no meal service on flights that depart after 8:00pm, only beverages and a snack basket. There is also no meal service on flights that depart before 5:00am.

CERTAIN MARKETS:

A321 Transcontinental Service (JFK-LAX/SFO):

  • Refreshing fruit or cucumber-infused water or sparkling wine
  • Warm mixed nuts followed by a three-course meal, with a choice of our signature customized sundae or seasonal fruit and cheese
  • A snack served shortly before arrival

Note: This focuses specifically on A321 transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO), although some members has clarified that LAX-MIA will continue to receive the same level of service. This still remains to be seen.

Hawaiian Flights:

Between Hawaii and DFW/ORD:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Choice of a customized sundae or a fruit and cheese plate
  • Bottle of water
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

Between Hawaii and LAX/PHX:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Pre-made sundae
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

EXCEPTION MARKETS:

Exception flights will fall between approximately 600-999 miles. Those flights will receive the same level of service as the published 1000-1299 miles parameters.

  • Between DFW and: DTW, ORD, SLC, MEX (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between FLL and: PAP
  • Between JFK and: FLL*, MCO, TPA*
  • Between MIA and: IAH, PAP, CAP, DCA (Effective 16-Oct-2014), IAD (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between MSP and: CLT, PHL
  • Between ORD and: BOS, DCA, DEN, JFK, LGA, RDU, AUS (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
*Flights between JFK and TPA/FLL do not currently operate.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:

It was reported from an internal source (but not formally announced) that American Eagle would be discontinuing plated meals and, instead, will offer snack boxes and/or chilled meal boxes on meal flights.

Based on the picture on the websites representing meal service, it is confirmed that American will use US Airways plates, bowls, and other servingware moving forward. Additionally, it has been speculated that tray linens will also be eliminated in lieu of the current US Airways paper tray liner. An AA Twitter representative, however, confirmed that buttonhole napkins would be here to stay.

Additionally on October 1st, American Eagle and US Airways Express flights will follow these same meal time frames with some variations to the service. Flights between approximately 176 and 999 miles will receive snack baskets, and meal flights will feature a chilled gourmet boxed meal. Some popular regional flights between approximately 700 and 999 miles will also receive a chilled gourmet boxed meal.

All information above has been gathered and/or copied from the AA website.

Links:
AA Meal Service
US Meal Service

HISTORICAL INFORMATION:

This section is purely vestigial, primarily concentrating on historical announcements prior to August 4th, showing a path from separate carrier policies to a combined policy.

On February 15, 2014, there was an internal announcement shared here, outlining changes to US Airways' meal policy, as well as a few minor changes on the AA side. The changes would occur in two phases: April and September.

April:
US Airways
The meal windows on US Airways has transitioned from the previous 3 1/2 hours and above window as of April 1st; now, they are serving meals on flights that are 2 hours and 45 minutes, and above (specified as 1,000 nautical miles in the announcement). Light snacks on flights under 2:45 hours has been added, featuring breakfast pastries and fresh fruit for morning flights, as well as finger sandwiches on later flights (known as Lite Bites). New meal window tiers has been added to standardize US Airways meal service:

  • Less than an hour: Nut mix
  • 1 - 2 hours: Snack basket
  • 2 - 2:45 hours: Snack basket plus pastries/finger sandwiches (Lite Bites)
  • 2:45 hours - 3 1/2 hours: Meal service, no appetizer
  • 3 1/2 hours - 4 1/2 hours: Full meal, including an appetizer
  • 4 1/2 hours and above: Full meal service, accompanied by the snack basket

American
An expedited service for shorter, eastbound transatlantic flights (JFK-LHR/MAN/DUB) became the only choice in premium cabins. It was also announced that all eastbound transatlantic flights would receive a more streamlined service, but no visible differences has yet to be reported by FT members.

Over the course of this year (but all mentioned changes will discontinue on September 1st, with the exception of A321 transcons receiving three choices, as well as snack & brunch service for redeyes) a few notable improvements were made to transcontinental meal service, such as sorbets being offered as a breakfast/brunch dessert, supper service (an abbreviated dinner service without an appetizer and sundaes) that replaced snack service on redeyes, and three menu choices of entrees being offered instead of the previous two menu choices.

There were also a few cutbacks in the spring: on Flagship Transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO; MIA-LAX), wherein marinated anti-pasto was discontinued in 3-class First Class lunch/dinner service; and in International First Class, where the wine-tasting course, grey placemats, and grey water glasses were eliminated in May.

Historical Weekly Updates (shared from an internal source):
6/14

  • Emphasis on being a leader, not a follower, according to Doug Parker.
  • Catering and cabin equipment review in progress.
  • FA involvement team to be created.
  • US/IB codeshare has started these past few days.
  • Three cycles of the revision for the joint certificate have been approved by the FAA. FAs now have inflight manual revisions.
  • MIA and JFK catering issues are still being addressed.
  • Visual presentation of the beef in the sandwich on the second meal service from Europe to the United States is being reviewed by F&B and catering in Europe.

6/21
  • Leadership conference focused on restoring AA to greatness.

Reply to negative feedback via website form: (3.5 hr flight RNO-ORD)

Thank you for contacting American. We know that meal options are important to our customers, and we appreciate the opportunity to address your comments about the changes we have made to our First Class meal program.

There are no plans to discontinue the signature services that have set American Airlines apart over the years. In fact, we are investing millions in our product. This includes the existing premium transcontinental service on select markets, and the offering of certain elements that customers have come to appreciate over time such as warm mixed nuts on all meal flights, cookies and premium desserts on longer flights.

Our new Domestic First Class service footprint provides opportunities to not only streamline service but also to enhance the quality of current food components: new salads and entrees. Product offerings are be aligned with the length of flight. For example, appetizers have been added on certain flights, and a new snack basket concept has been introduced on shorter flights. New meal tray elements to modernize presentation have been introduced, including new china and a stemless wine glass.

A component of these changes is to make consistent between American and US Airways the length of flight where a full meal service is offered. Effective September 1, traditional meal service is offered in First Class on flights operated by American that are 2:45 or longer. While this has removed the traditional meal service from some markets served by American, the changes implemented at US Airways earlier this year added meals to many US Airways markets that traditionally have not offered a full meal service.

On flights from 2 hours to 2:45 in length we offer our customers a "Lite Bites" basket with a variety of food options including tea sandwiches, fresh fruit, breakfast breads and sweet and savory snacks. We will, of course, continue to offer complimentary beverages and snacks for our First Class customers on all of our flights, including beer, spirits and our award-winning wine selection.
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Old Sep 3, 2014, 2:13 am
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Originally Posted by MrAndy1369
Doesn't AA/DL/UA do that already? Disclaimer: I'm Deaf, so I can't hear what's going on, but I'm pretty sure I saw FA's on all three carriers walk up the aisle promoting credit cards. Could be wrong, though.
AA does not employ flight attendants as credit card hawkers. US Airways does, as does Alaska Airlines. I do not know about UA and DL, nor do does it make it okay if they do. It's tacky and annoying.
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Old Sep 3, 2014, 2:15 am
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Originally Posted by MAH4546
AA does not employ flight attendants as credit card hawkers. US Airways does, as does Alaska Airlines. I do not know about UA and DL, nor do does it make it okay if they do. It's tacky and annoying.
I didn't realize that. How do you know that'll happen, though? Wouldn't AA FA's have an aversion to that?
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Old Sep 3, 2014, 3:14 am
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There are a plethora of threads to discuss changes to the fleets, changes to routes, transcon products, and on and on. This thread has a specific topic and posts are expected to remain on topic. A recent swathe of off-topic discussion has been removed.

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Old Sep 3, 2014, 5:38 am
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I have considerable experience travelling First/Business class with both AA and US (for an Australian Resident).

This was through flying AA regularly since 2005 and US mainly 2010-2012 (in my quest for *G through Air New Zealand) - 95% booked into First/Business class on "Non refundable" or "Instant Upgrade" type fares.

My observations over the time was that when meals were served on US generally the experience was better than for that on UA but not as good as that I experienced on AA.

AA was pretty consistent with these offerings until last year when during the period of bankruptcy protection the size of the meals was reduced, but, to me, the quality improved.

Anyway the point of this is that as a traveller who was able to observe things with these carriers with an 'external' view that irrespective of the new definitions of flights that get meals in first/business, not the age/cleanliness of aircraft, for those used to the American Airlines meal service over the last few years; if the philosophy is trending towards that of US, then all other things being equal, this is a definite reduction with AA service.

These threads should give those US aficionados an idea of what AA had been:

2013 AA Domestic Meals - menus / menu, photos, etc. (consolidated)

2012 AA Domestic Meals - menus / menu, photos, etc. (consolidated)

And for reference, here is a US forum equivalent:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/us-ai...s-food-us.html
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Originally Posted by no1cub17
US 2810 LAX-OKC. Sorry if I'm missing something - do we need to feel bad for flaming LCC?
I was on 2710 LAX to OKC 9/2 and yeah the offerings were bleh. They had the "baked" goods and the only really healthy options were the apple and banana. I was looking forward to a meal on that flight finally but being express looks like that wasn't the case. Next time I'll know that I need to buy a meal to bring on the flight when in first on that flight as I had been doing in the past but thought the 9/1 would fix that issue. Oh well...nothing I'm not used to at this time.
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Strong rumors (pretty much confirmed) that sometime this fall the premium meal service to Deep South America will be "streamlined"
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Old Sep 3, 2014, 9:08 am
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
Strong rumors (pretty much confirmed) that sometime this fall the premium meal service to Deep South America will be "streamlined"
Get ready for more changes Dougie thinks you will like.

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Get ready for more changes Dougie thinks you will like.
I don't get involved in the "dougie" stuff nor the vague "get ready.." stuff either. Personally, I deal in the known and the substantiated.
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Originally Posted by BWISkyGuy
I get it when talking about a switch from a plated snack to either the regular snack basket or the one with the lite bites, but I don't get this as an across-the-board statement... Using BWI-DFW as an example, last week (and most of this year) it was a choice between an omelette or cereal. Next week it's a choice between two hot breakfast entrees, one being pretty much the same omelette. There's plenty for me to complain about here, but I can't call everything "cheap garbage" when it's better than what we got pre-9/1 in at least _some_ cases.
You gotta remember, to some of the folks here, everything that comes from US is cheap garbage, and everything that comes from AA is great. US can do nothing right, and AA did everything perfectly.
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http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...t-impact.html/

I love that Mr. Kerr refers to the food changes as "upgrades." Yes, reduced service on flights 2hrs-2hrs45min and red eye transcons are "upgrades."
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Old Sep 3, 2014, 2:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Superguy
You gotta remember, to some of the folks here, everything that comes from US is cheap garbage, and everything that comes from AA is great. US can do nothing right, and AA did everything perfectly.
AA has always had its faults, catering included, but you got the US stuff 100% correct.
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Old Sep 3, 2014, 5:19 pm
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
Strong rumors (pretty much confirmed) that sometime this fall the premium meal service to Deep South America will be "streamlined"
The announced plan is that Europe and South America food/beverage service will be harmonized November 1 (though I was surprised on CDG-JFK last week to see that AA's Business Class menu was IDENTICAL to the US Business Class menu for August...), Express service will be aligned by mid-December, and Pacific service will be "upgraded" (that's the word Hector Adler used in his weekly message) in January, 2015.
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Old Sep 3, 2014, 5:26 pm
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Originally Posted by T/BE20/G
The announced plan is that Europe and South America food/beverage service will be harmonized November 1 (though I was surprised on CDG-JFK last week to see that AA's Business Class menu was IDENTICAL to the US Business Class menu for August...), Express service will be aligned by mid-December, and Pacific service will be "upgraded" (that's the word Hector Adler used in his weekly message) in January, 2015.
Will the upgrades/harmonization good or bad? I hope it won't be as big a #fail as domestic was.
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Old Sep 3, 2014, 6:36 pm
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Originally Posted by MrAndy1369
Will the upgrades/harmonization good or bad? I hope it won't be as big a #fail as domestic was.
I haven't seen any details of what the new standards will be, so it's hard to say. For what it's worth, a few observations...

First, as I said, I flew CDG-JFK on AA at the end of August, and the menu was identical to the US westbound TATL menu for August (which was also the US menu for May). I don't know if this is the case on other AA Europe-US departures, but if it is, the harmonization may not take much in that arena. I also noticed on that flight -though, of course, Y service doesn't affect FlyerTalkers! - that US, in my opinion, actually has a better westbound arrival service in coach. AA served a cold box with a sandwich, chips, and a mini candy bar; US serves a hot arrival snack of pizza/flatbread and warm chocolate panino dessert.

Second, the US service to South American - keep in mind, there are only 2 flights a day - appears to be the same in Business as the Europe service... same apps/salads/entrees/desserts. As both CLT-Brazil departures are late night, they both use the "Late Night Supper" service standard, which includes app/salad/main all at once, followed by dessert served separately, to make the service quicker. This is the same delivery used on US' late departures to Europe, including the 9pm bank of departures from PHL-LHR/SNN/DUB/MAN. In coach, the first service on Brazil flights looks the same as on flights to Europe, while the arrival service is more substantial going south.

On the return flights from Brazil, US service again looks very similar to the Late Night Supper services to Europe, but with different selections than the European flights have. In either direction, as with Europe, the Business Class arrival meal is a choice between a hot or cold breakfast.

All that said, I don't really know how different AA J meal service is currently from US in either market (with the exception of that aforementioned CDG-JFK menu being the same as the then-current US menu), and I can't say whether the harmonized product will be more like one or the other, or somewhere in between.

As for the Pacific service, there is obviously no harmonization to be done, since US doesn't fly to Asia currently. Hector Adler's update, as noted above, used the word "upgrade", but I don't know exactly what changes are in store. It could be as simple as upgrading to the new plating, or it could be a revamp of the whole menu - I just don't know. I imagine details won't be released until considerably closer to the end of the year.

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Old Sep 3, 2014, 7:01 pm
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Originally Posted by DCAstudent
I love that Mr. Kerr refers to the food changes as "upgrades." Yes, reduced service on flights 2hrs-2hrs45min and red eye transcons are "upgrades."
Kerr came from the US side. According to US management, any change to USdbaAA is an "upgrade".
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