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This thread discusses changes to the combined carrier's meal policy. On Friday, 14 Nov 2014, the following e-mail was sent to AAdvantage frequent flyers:


this after an apparent record of the percentage of complaints received in response to earlier announcements (80% of complaints were about the meal cutbacks),

On Monday, August 4th, 2014, American and US Airways both announced their plans for the final aligned meal service effective September 1st, 2014 for both carriers. This Wiki will touch upon in detail the new meal windows, parameters, and what to expect moving forward.

MEAL WINDOWS:

Up to 699 miles (under 2 hours):
Enjoy a light snack such as a fig bar, cookies or pretzels.

700-999 miles (2 2:45 hours)
A heartier selection of snacks such as sandwiches and fresh fruit is served on most flights (Lite Bites), with exceptions (see below).

1,000 1,298 miles (2:45 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy warmed mixed nuts, followed by a three-course meal including a warm cookie for dessert.

1,299+ miles (over 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy an appetizer paired with your entre followed by cake for dessert. On flights over 2,200 miles and over 4:30 hours, you'll also receive a choice of dessert specialty ice cream or a fruit and cheese plate. Redeye flights in the category of 2,200 miles and above will have a snack basket to begin, then will receive an arrival continental breakfast box. (This does not apply to A321 transcons, listed below.)

*There is no meal service on flights that depart after 8:00pm, only beverages and a snack basket. There is also no meal service on flights that depart before 5:00am.

CERTAIN MARKETS:

A321 Transcontinental Service (JFK-LAX/SFO):

  • Refreshing fruit or cucumber-infused water or sparkling wine
  • Warm mixed nuts followed by a three-course meal, with a choice of our signature customized sundae or seasonal fruit and cheese
  • A snack served shortly before arrival

Note: This focuses specifically on A321 transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO), although some members has clarified that LAX-MIA will continue to receive the same level of service. This still remains to be seen.

Hawaiian Flights:

Between Hawaii and DFW/ORD:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Choice of a customized sundae or a fruit and cheese plate
  • Bottle of water
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

Between Hawaii and LAX/PHX:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Pre-made sundae
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

EXCEPTION MARKETS:

Exception flights will fall between approximately 600-999 miles. Those flights will receive the same level of service as the published 1000-1299 miles parameters.

  • Between DFW and: DTW, ORD, SLC, MEX (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between FLL and: PAP
  • Between JFK and: FLL*, MCO, TPA*
  • Between MIA and: IAH, PAP, CAP, DCA (Effective 16-Oct-2014), IAD (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between MSP and: CLT, PHL
  • Between ORD and: BOS, DCA, DEN, JFK, LGA, RDU, AUS (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
*Flights between JFK and TPA/FLL do not currently operate.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:

It was reported from an internal source (but not formally announced) that American Eagle would be discontinuing plated meals and, instead, will offer snack boxes and/or chilled meal boxes on meal flights.

Based on the picture on the websites representing meal service, it is confirmed that American will use US Airways plates, bowls, and other servingware moving forward. Additionally, it has been speculated that tray linens will also be eliminated in lieu of the current US Airways paper tray liner. An AA Twitter representative, however, confirmed that buttonhole napkins would be here to stay.

Additionally on October 1st, American Eagle and US Airways Express flights will follow these same meal time frames with some variations to the service. Flights between approximately 176 and 999 miles will receive snack baskets, and meal flights will feature a chilled gourmet boxed meal. Some popular regional flights between approximately 700 and 999 miles will also receive a chilled gourmet boxed meal.

All information above has been gathered and/or copied from the AA website.

Links:
AA Meal Service
US Meal Service

HISTORICAL INFORMATION:

This section is purely vestigial, primarily concentrating on historical announcements prior to August 4th, showing a path from separate carrier policies to a combined policy.

On February 15, 2014, there was an internal announcement shared here, outlining changes to US Airways' meal policy, as well as a few minor changes on the AA side. The changes would occur in two phases: April and September.

April:
US Airways
The meal windows on US Airways has transitioned from the previous 3 1/2 hours and above window as of April 1st; now, they are serving meals on flights that are 2 hours and 45 minutes, and above (specified as 1,000 nautical miles in the announcement). Light snacks on flights under 2:45 hours has been added, featuring breakfast pastries and fresh fruit for morning flights, as well as finger sandwiches on later flights (known as Lite Bites). New meal window tiers has been added to standardize US Airways meal service:

  • Less than an hour: Nut mix
  • 1 - 2 hours: Snack basket
  • 2 - 2:45 hours: Snack basket plus pastries/finger sandwiches (Lite Bites)
  • 2:45 hours - 3 1/2 hours: Meal service, no appetizer
  • 3 1/2 hours - 4 1/2 hours: Full meal, including an appetizer
  • 4 1/2 hours and above: Full meal service, accompanied by the snack basket

American
An expedited service for shorter, eastbound transatlantic flights (JFK-LHR/MAN/DUB) became the only choice in premium cabins. It was also announced that all eastbound transatlantic flights would receive a more streamlined service, but no visible differences has yet to be reported by FT members.

Over the course of this year (but all mentioned changes will discontinue on September 1st, with the exception of A321 transcons receiving three choices, as well as snack & brunch service for redeyes) a few notable improvements were made to transcontinental meal service, such as sorbets being offered as a breakfast/brunch dessert, supper service (an abbreviated dinner service without an appetizer and sundaes) that replaced snack service on redeyes, and three menu choices of entrees being offered instead of the previous two menu choices.

There were also a few cutbacks in the spring: on Flagship Transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO; MIA-LAX), wherein marinated anti-pasto was discontinued in 3-class First Class lunch/dinner service; and in International First Class, where the wine-tasting course, grey placemats, and grey water glasses were eliminated in May.

Historical Weekly Updates (shared from an internal source):
6/14

  • Emphasis on being a leader, not a follower, according to Doug Parker.
  • Catering and cabin equipment review in progress.
  • FA involvement team to be created.
  • US/IB codeshare has started these past few days.
  • Three cycles of the revision for the joint certificate have been approved by the FAA. FAs now have inflight manual revisions.
  • MIA and JFK catering issues are still being addressed.
  • Visual presentation of the beef in the sandwich on the second meal service from Europe to the United States is being reviewed by F&B and catering in Europe.

6/21
  • Leadership conference focused on restoring AA to greatness.

Reply to negative feedback via website form: (3.5 hr flight RNO-ORD)

Thank you for contacting American. We know that meal options are important to our customers, and we appreciate the opportunity to address your comments about the changes we have made to our First Class meal program.

There are no plans to discontinue the signature services that have set American Airlines apart over the years. In fact, we are investing millions in our product. This includes the existing premium transcontinental service on select markets, and the offering of certain elements that customers have come to appreciate over time such as warm mixed nuts on all meal flights, cookies and premium desserts on longer flights.

Our new Domestic First Class service footprint provides opportunities to not only streamline service but also to enhance the quality of current food components: new salads and entrees. Product offerings are be aligned with the length of flight. For example, appetizers have been added on certain flights, and a new snack basket concept has been introduced on shorter flights. New meal tray elements to modernize presentation have been introduced, including new china and a stemless wine glass.

A component of these changes is to make consistent between American and US Airways the length of flight where a full meal service is offered. Effective September 1, traditional meal service is offered in First Class on flights operated by American that are 2:45 or longer. While this has removed the traditional meal service from some markets served by American, the changes implemented at US Airways earlier this year added meals to many US Airways markets that traditionally have not offered a full meal service.

On flights from 2 hours to 2:45 in length we offer our customers a "Lite Bites" basket with a variety of food options including tea sandwiches, fresh fruit, breakfast breads and sweet and savory snacks. We will, of course, continue to offer complimentary beverages and snacks for our First Class customers on all of our flights, including beer, spirits and our award-winning wine selection.
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Old Jul 1, 2014, 10:04 am
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Originally Posted by TXguy
No kidding.

DL will probably get tons of new high value customers when Dougie's plans are fully implemented.
Guess you don't recognize sarcasm. My point is that "Dougie" can easily see how the relentless service cutting at UA has hurt their profitability, rather than helping it. He's also made that same mistake himself with his first merger and subsequently backed off quite a bit. Certainly there will be some changes we don't like, but there's no reason to believe that he'd ever cut as far as UA and thereby eliminate a big competitive advantage AA now enjoys (and leave DL as the service leader).
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Doug wants to be profitable. If that means cutting service (costs in his mind) he will do it. He doesn't care about how his airline is perceived if it is profitable.
He's not going to cut service to the point of backlash. Remember when he tried to charge for sodas? Pretty sure he learned his lesson there.

I don't forsee service cuts on the level that UA has implemented. After all, US has adopted AA catering standards and abandoned that stupid 3.5hour rule for meals in F. That seems like a step up in my opinion.

At the latest management meet up in DFW about restoring AA to greatness, there was plenty of emphasis on making American a leader, which i take to mean improving service and making people wanting to fly the airline, not just cheapening out to make butt loads of money (the route UA is taking and failing at).
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Old Jul 1, 2014, 11:34 am
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Originally Posted by Col Ronson
He's not going to cut service to the point of backlash. Remember when he tried to charge for sodas? Pretty sure he learned his lesson there.

I don't forsee service cuts on the level that UA has implemented. After all, US has adopted AA catering standards and abandoned that stupid 3.5hour rule for meals in F. That seems like a step up in my opinion.
I remember his soda charge. He backed off not because customers revolted, but because no competitor matched.

Yes, US replaced the 3.5 F meal threshold with the 2.75 which is an improvement on the US side. However, there is speculation that AA will match the 2.75 hour threshold which would be a downgrade on the AA side.

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Old Jul 1, 2014, 11:11 pm
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Is this 2 hour window for light bites for block time or actual flight time? On' a CLT-ORD flight and wondering if I'll get anything worth eating.
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Old Jul 2, 2014, 7:56 am
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Originally Posted by austin_res
I remember his soda charge. He backed off not because customers revolted, but because no competitor matched.


That doesn't make any sense. If the customers didn't revlot why would he give a hoot in no other competitor matched? He'd just happily enjoy the new/additional revenue stream coming his way from apparently willing customers.
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Old Jul 2, 2014, 12:52 pm
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The legacies have a herd mentality. Look at fare increases - normally all it takes to kill it is one carrier not going along. All the legacies have checked bag fees - one added them first and the rest followed. If the other carriers had followed with soda/bottled water charges they would still be in place.

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Old Jul 3, 2014, 7:30 am
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Originally Posted by BoeingBoy
The legacies have a herd mentality. Look at fare increases - normally all it takes to kill it is one carrier not going along. All the legacies have checked bag fees - one added them first and the rest followed. If the other carriers had followed with soda/bottled water charges they would still be in place.

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While that may be, if it had no impact on bookings, there'd be no reason to stop. Only US charges a $25 fee for booking FF tickets but since it has seemingly not caused a revolt, they keep charging it. No reason not to if customers are willing to pay it.
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Old Jul 3, 2014, 9:29 am
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It obviously varies by what and who - what item is different and who's affected. The booking fee affects a group that tends to stick with one carrier because of mileage accruel, hub captive, etc. A $25 difference won't have as many jump ship as it would if fares in general were raised by the same $25 because that would affect every potential ticket sale. There are some differences in baggage fee - since it's not part of the fare when searching for low fares and most carriers charge something the difference between carriers gets lost in all the fees/taxes.

The herd mentality isn't absolute. Each carrier tries to maximize revenue - how much extra revenue will a higher fee/charge/etc bring in versus how many sales will be lost by being higher than the competition. Wide coverage of a difference affects that calculation - when US started charging for non-alcoholic beverages it received a lot of coverage. That resulted in a "they're charging for that" response on the part of the traveling public. If the other carriers had followed suit the public would soon forget which carrier started the charge first and it's just be something else that was unpopular but unavoidable. That's what happens with fare increases the all the carriers adopt.

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Old Jul 3, 2014, 9:35 am
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Originally Posted by frambusch
My guess is that during pre-departure they can't be taking out the serving carts to get glassware and then quickly stow them before taxi. I believe safety rules don't allow carts out of stowage when the aircraft is moving. They can access drinks with the cart stowed and the plastic just gets trashed in a bag. Not sure but its what I assume. AFAIK all airlines follow this policy.
Delta serves PDB with real glassware on some domestic flights i.e. LAX-JFK and all international flights.
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Originally Posted by skyvanman
Is this 2 hour window for light bites for block time or actual flight time? On' a CLT-ORD flight and wondering if I'll get anything worth eating.
I doubt that will ever get anything. Its like ATL-ORD which blocks about the same but does not get service since the flight is rarely ever 1.5 hours.
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Old Jul 3, 2014, 1:15 pm
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Originally Posted by F&B767
I doubt that will ever get anything. Its like ATL-ORD which blocks about the same but does not get service since the flight is rarely ever 1.5 hours.
Really? I was on an ORD-ATL flight recently and was quite impressed to be served the nicest fruit plate I can ever remember on a flight large pieces, nice variety, quite tasty, and well-presented on a china plate. Being on a short RJ flight, I was expecting nothing of the sort (not to mention being upgraded on a non-upgradable Avios ticket!).
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Old Jul 3, 2014, 5:12 pm
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Originally Posted by LINDEGR
While that may be, if it had no impact on bookings, there'd be no reason to stop. Only US charges a $25 fee for booking FF tickets but since it has seemingly not caused a revolt, they keep charging it. No reason not to if customers are willing to pay it.
And more importantly, US wasn't the first to charge that fee. IIRC, it was NW. And it was in 2008 when oil spiked to around $150 per barrel. They were calling it a fuel surcharge fee at the time. However, those that instituted this fee rescinded it a couple of months later when oil dropped in price significantly. Only US kept it, and then renamed it an "award ticketing" fee.

As for the meal service... while I doubt the current AA meal time windows will survive, I would be surprised if 2.5 hours becomes the standard. I think US is using that in the interim period because of catering issues. And more importantly, I think the AA standard of meals will remain in place. As we have seen in the past few months an increase in the quality of the product (ie: the eastbound red-eye flights).
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 1:04 pm
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Originally Posted by NiceLanding
Really? I was on an ORD-ATL flight recently and was quite impressed to be served the nicest fruit plate I can ever remember on a flight large pieces, nice variety, quite tasty, and well-presented on a china plate. Being on a short RJ flight, I was expecting nothing of the sort (not to mention being upgraded on a non-upgradable Avios ticket!).
Was this on a AA or DL flight?
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 1:07 pm
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Originally Posted by FWAAA
None of the USA-based airlines (AA, US, UA or DL) have ordered ovens for their 76-seaters, be they E175s or CRJ900s, so all meals, if any are served, are cold.
Then how would they warm up a soup? When I flew DEN-ORD in 2012 on the CR7, the main course was a soup, along with a couple bite sized sandwiches. The soup was warm when it was delivered to me.

Originally Posted by FlightNurse
Was this on a AA or DL flight?
Has to be AA if the OP used Avios.
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 1:16 pm
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Originally Posted by FriendlySkies
Then how would they warm up a soup? When I flew DEN-ORD in 2012 on the CR7, the main course was a soup, along with a couple bite sized sandwiches. The soup was warm when it was delivered to me.



Has to be AA if the OP used Avios.

In regards to the warm soup, they must have a thermos set up for it...

I figured it was AA, however, the OP was responding to someone who was talking about DL...
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