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Meals changes US & AA announced - international and domestic
[Discussion]This thread discusses changes to the combined carrier's meal policy. On Friday, 14 Nov 2014, the following e-mail was sent to AAdvantage frequent flyers:
this after an apparent record of the percentage of complaints received in response to earlier announcements (80% of complaints were about the meal cutbacks),
On Monday, August 4th, 2014, American and US Airways both announced their plans for the final aligned meal service effective September 1st, 2014 for both carriers. This Wiki will touch upon in detail the new meal windows, parameters, and what to expect moving forward.
MEAL WINDOWS:
Up to 699 miles (under 2 hours):
Enjoy a light snack such as a fig bar, cookies or pretzels.
700-999 miles (2 2:45 hours)
A heartier selection of snacks such as sandwiches and fresh fruit is served on most flights (Lite Bites), with exceptions (see below).
1,000 1,298 miles (2:45 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy warmed mixed nuts, followed by a three-course meal including a warm cookie for dessert.
1,299+ miles (over 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy an appetizer paired with your entre followed by cake for dessert. On flights over 2,200 miles and over 4:30 hours, you'll also receive a choice of dessert specialty ice cream or a fruit and cheese plate. Redeye flights in the category of 2,200 miles and above will have a snack basket to begin, then will receive an arrival continental breakfast box. (This does not apply to A321 transcons, listed below.)
*There is no meal service on flights that depart after 8:00pm, only beverages and a snack basket. There is also no meal service on flights that depart before 5:00am.
CERTAIN MARKETS:
A321 Transcontinental Service (JFK-LAX/SFO):
- Refreshing fruit or cucumber-infused water or sparkling wine
- Warm mixed nuts followed by a three-course meal, with a choice of our signature customized sundae or seasonal fruit and cheese
- A snack served shortly before arrival
Note: This focuses specifically on A321 transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO), although some members has clarified that LAX-MIA will continue to receive the same level of service. This still remains to be seen.
Hawaiian Flights:
Between Hawaii and DFW/ORD:
- Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
- Choice of a customized sundae or a fruit and cheese plate
- Bottle of water
- Selection of snacks prior to arrival
Between Hawaii and LAX/PHX:
- Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
- Pre-made sundae
- Selection of snacks prior to arrival
EXCEPTION MARKETS:
Exception flights will fall between approximately 600-999 miles. Those flights will receive the same level of service as the published 1000-1299 miles parameters.
- Between DFW and: DTW, ORD, SLC, MEX (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
- Between FLL and: PAP
- Between JFK and: FLL*, MCO, TPA*
- Between MIA and: IAH, PAP, CAP, DCA (Effective 16-Oct-2014), IAD (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
- Between MSP and: CLT, PHL
- Between ORD and: BOS, DCA, DEN, JFK, LGA, RDU, AUS (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
It was reported from an internal source (but not formally announced) that American Eagle would be discontinuing plated meals and, instead, will offer snack boxes and/or chilled meal boxes on meal flights.
Based on the picture on the websites representing meal service, it is confirmed that American will use US Airways plates, bowls, and other servingware moving forward. Additionally, it has been speculated that tray linens will also be eliminated in lieu of the current US Airways paper tray liner. An AA Twitter representative, however, confirmed that buttonhole napkins would be here to stay.
Additionally on October 1st, American Eagle and US Airways Express flights will follow these same meal time frames with some variations to the service. Flights between approximately 176 and 999 miles will receive snack baskets, and meal flights will feature a chilled gourmet boxed meal. Some popular regional flights between approximately 700 and 999 miles will also receive a chilled gourmet boxed meal.
All information above has been gathered and/or copied from the AA website.
Links:
AA Meal Service
US Meal Service
HISTORICAL INFORMATION:
This section is purely vestigial, primarily concentrating on historical announcements prior to August 4th, showing a path from separate carrier policies to a combined policy.
On February 15, 2014, there was an internal announcement shared here, outlining changes to US Airways' meal policy, as well as a few minor changes on the AA side. The changes would occur in two phases: April and September.
April:
US Airways
The meal windows on US Airways has transitioned from the previous 3 1/2 hours and above window as of April 1st; now, they are serving meals on flights that are 2 hours and 45 minutes, and above (specified as 1,000 nautical miles in the announcement). Light snacks on flights under 2:45 hours has been added, featuring breakfast pastries and fresh fruit for morning flights, as well as finger sandwiches on later flights (known as Lite Bites). New meal window tiers has been added to standardize US Airways meal service:
- Less than an hour: Nut mix
- 1 - 2 hours: Snack basket
- 2 - 2:45 hours: Snack basket plus pastries/finger sandwiches (Lite Bites)
- 2:45 hours - 3 1/2 hours: Meal service, no appetizer
- 3 1/2 hours - 4 1/2 hours: Full meal, including an appetizer
- 4 1/2 hours and above: Full meal service, accompanied by the snack basket
American
An expedited service for shorter, eastbound transatlantic flights (JFK-LHR/MAN/DUB) became the only choice in premium cabins. It was also announced that all eastbound transatlantic flights would receive a more streamlined service, but no visible differences has yet to be reported by FT members.
Over the course of this year (but all mentioned changes will discontinue on September 1st, with the exception of A321 transcons receiving three choices, as well as snack & brunch service for redeyes) a few notable improvements were made to transcontinental meal service, such as sorbets being offered as a breakfast/brunch dessert, supper service (an abbreviated dinner service without an appetizer and sundaes) that replaced snack service on redeyes, and three menu choices of entrees being offered instead of the previous two menu choices.
There were also a few cutbacks in the spring: on Flagship Transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO; MIA-LAX), wherein marinated anti-pasto was discontinued in 3-class First Class lunch/dinner service; and in International First Class, where the wine-tasting course, grey placemats, and grey water glasses were eliminated in May.
Historical Weekly Updates (shared from an internal source):
6/14
- Emphasis on being a leader, not a follower, according to Doug Parker.
- Catering and cabin equipment review in progress.
- FA involvement team to be created.
- US/IB codeshare has started these past few days.
- Three cycles of the revision for the joint certificate have been approved by the FAA. FAs now have inflight manual revisions.
- MIA and JFK catering issues are still being addressed.
- Visual presentation of the beef in the sandwich on the second meal service from Europe to the United States is being reviewed by F&B and catering in Europe.
6/21
- Leadership conference focused on restoring AA to greatness.
Reply to negative feedback via website form: (3.5 hr flight RNO-ORD)
Thank you for contacting American. We know that meal options are important to our customers, and we appreciate the opportunity to address your comments about the changes we have made to our First Class meal program.
There are no plans to discontinue the signature services that have set American Airlines apart over the years. In fact, we are investing millions in our product. This includes the existing premium transcontinental service on select markets, and the offering of certain elements that customers have come to appreciate over time such as warm mixed nuts on all meal flights, cookies and premium desserts on longer flights.
Our new Domestic First Class service footprint provides opportunities to not only streamline service but also to enhance the quality of current food components: new salads and entrees. Product offerings are be aligned with the length of flight. For example, appetizers have been added on certain flights, and a new snack basket concept has been introduced on shorter flights. New meal tray elements to modernize presentation have been introduced, including new china and a stemless wine glass.
A component of these changes is to make consistent between American and US Airways the length of flight where a full meal service is offered. Effective September 1, traditional meal service is offered in First Class on flights operated by American that are 2:45 or longer. While this has removed the traditional meal service from some markets served by American, the changes implemented at US Airways earlier this year added meals to many US Airways markets that traditionally have not offered a full meal service.
On flights from 2 hours to 2:45 in length we offer our customers a "Lite Bites" basket with a variety of food options including tea sandwiches, fresh fruit, breakfast breads and sweet and savory snacks. We will, of course, continue to offer complimentary beverages and snacks for our First Class customers on all of our flights, including beer, spirits and our award-winning wine selection.
Meals changes US & AA announced - international and domestic [Discussion]
#511
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I hate the PDB in plastic. It works alright with spirits, soft drinks and mixers, but the reality is that champagne or wine does not taste as good out of a plastic glass, particularly the appalling straight-sided ones used by AA - added to which, it just feels cheap and nasty. When I am paying thousands of bucks for an international J ticket, I rather expect to get a premium experience. Champagne in plastic?? Well, it might as well be cheap cava.
It just seems to me to be such an odd thing to do when so many other elements - particularly on the 77W - work so well. Does anyone know the reason?
It just seems to me to be such an odd thing to do when so many other elements - particularly on the 77W - work so well. Does anyone know the reason?
However it is inconsistent on TATL and I have had proper Champagne and Glassware on LAX-LHR and JFK-LHR.
Have thought about packing a flute in carry on.... but hey if it were JL or CX and we were talking fine champagne that would be different.
#512
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#513
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I hate the PDB in plastic. It works alright with spirits, soft drinks and mixers, but the reality is that champagne or wine does not taste as good out of a plastic glass, particularly the appalling straight-sided ones used by AA - added to which, it just feels cheap and nasty. When I am paying thousands of bucks for an international J ticket, I rather expect to get a premium experience. Champagne in plastic?? Well, it might as well be cheap cava.
It just seems to me to be such an odd thing to do when so many other elements - particularly on the 77W - work so well. Does anyone know the reason?
It just seems to me to be such an odd thing to do when so many other elements - particularly on the 77W - work so well. Does anyone know the reason?
#514
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My guess is that during pre-departure they can't be taking out the serving carts to get glassware and then quickly stow them before taxi. I believe safety rules don't allow carts out of stowage when the aircraft is moving. They can access drinks with the cart stowed and the plastic just gets trashed in a bag. Not sure but its what I assume. AFAIK all airlines follow this policy.
#515
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Two related factors - the vast majority of domestic flights are catered round trip and there's only so much storage space in the galley. A "standard" domestic narrowbody might have 12-16 FC seats so would need double that number of glasses for PDB - 24-32. In the space that the extra 12-15 glasses consume you can store at least 100 plastic cups. Between the limited storage space and double catering there's a conflict.
Long-haul international is catered at each end. Remove double catering from the equation and storage space is less of a factor.
Jim
Long-haul international is catered at each end. Remove double catering from the equation and storage space is less of a factor.
Jim
#516
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FWIW, looking up awards on LAX-OKC in early Aug - when the evening flight is upgauged to a Mesa CR9 from an Envoy CR7. Under "flight details" in F, only "beverage service" is listed. Not sure if this is because meals are being eliminated, or if aa.com hasn't been updated yet. If I understand correctly, routes like LAX-OKC (1187 mi) should still retain meals during mealtimes, yes?
#517
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FWIW, looking up awards on LAX-OKC in early Aug - when the evening flight is upgauged to a Mesa CR9 from an Envoy CR7. Under "flight details" in F, only "beverage service" is listed. Not sure if this is because meals are being eliminated, or if aa.com hasn't been updated yet. If I understand correctly, routes like LAX-OKC (1187 mi) should still retain meals during mealtimes, yes?
Nonetheless, LAX-OKC should theoretically still get meal service, even if (hopefully not!) the new threshold is 1000nm, or 1150 miles, because LAX-OKC is 1187mi.
#518
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Mesa operates the CR-9 for US and has no ovens on the plane so any meal service will be cold selections.
Jim
Jim
#520
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Thanks for the warning. Mesa operated Go in Hawaii, what a sorry tale. I will make sure not to use these rj flights. Is it just LAX or do they cover others? How can I tell if it is Mesa?
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Jim
#522
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I'm about to be served dinner on a US flight that has previously been snack basket only. I'm pretty sure on AA this would qualify as a snack flight based on meal window alone (departure time 3:15p, delayed to 4:10). Got reference, fly route 1x r/t every 2 months..
US 594 - PHX IAH
Distance: 1008 miles
Flying time: 2hrs, 9 min (scheduled now for 2:45)
Choice of chicken piccata or artichoke ravioli.
US 594 - PHX IAH
Distance: 1008 miles
Flying time: 2hrs, 9 min (scheduled now for 2:45)
Choice of chicken piccata or artichoke ravioli.
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Two related factors - the vast majority of domestic flights are catered round trip and there's only so much storage space in the galley. A "standard" domestic narrowbody might have 12-16 FC seats so would need double that number of glasses for PDB - 24-32. In the space that the extra 12-15 glasses consume you can store at least 100 plastic cups. Between the limited storage space and double catering there's a conflict.
Long-haul international is catered at each end. Remove double catering from the equation and storage space is less of a factor.
Jim
Long-haul international is catered at each end. Remove double catering from the equation and storage space is less of a factor.
Jim
#524
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Hey Jim, all CRJ's in US have no ovens, AA's CRJ700 have meals, they are cold ones, not understanding why US's aren't serving cold meals, unless the galley isn't set up for it..
#525
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None of the USA-based airlines (AA, US, UA or DL) have ordered ovens for their 76-seaters, be they E175s or CRJ900s, so all meals, if any are served, are cold.