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This thread discusses changes to the combined carrier's meal policy. On Friday, 14 Nov 2014, the following e-mail was sent to AAdvantage frequent flyers:


this after an apparent record of the percentage of complaints received in response to earlier announcements (80% of complaints were about the meal cutbacks),

On Monday, August 4th, 2014, American and US Airways both announced their plans for the final aligned meal service effective September 1st, 2014 for both carriers. This Wiki will touch upon in detail the new meal windows, parameters, and what to expect moving forward.

MEAL WINDOWS:

Up to 699 miles (under 2 hours):
Enjoy a light snack such as a fig bar, cookies or pretzels.

700-999 miles (2 2:45 hours)
A heartier selection of snacks such as sandwiches and fresh fruit is served on most flights (Lite Bites), with exceptions (see below).

1,000 1,298 miles (2:45 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy warmed mixed nuts, followed by a three-course meal including a warm cookie for dessert.

1,299+ miles (over 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy an appetizer paired with your entre followed by cake for dessert. On flights over 2,200 miles and over 4:30 hours, you'll also receive a choice of dessert specialty ice cream or a fruit and cheese plate. Redeye flights in the category of 2,200 miles and above will have a snack basket to begin, then will receive an arrival continental breakfast box. (This does not apply to A321 transcons, listed below.)

*There is no meal service on flights that depart after 8:00pm, only beverages and a snack basket. There is also no meal service on flights that depart before 5:00am.

CERTAIN MARKETS:

A321 Transcontinental Service (JFK-LAX/SFO):

  • Refreshing fruit or cucumber-infused water or sparkling wine
  • Warm mixed nuts followed by a three-course meal, with a choice of our signature customized sundae or seasonal fruit and cheese
  • A snack served shortly before arrival

Note: This focuses specifically on A321 transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO), although some members has clarified that LAX-MIA will continue to receive the same level of service. This still remains to be seen.

Hawaiian Flights:

Between Hawaii and DFW/ORD:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Choice of a customized sundae or a fruit and cheese plate
  • Bottle of water
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

Between Hawaii and LAX/PHX:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Pre-made sundae
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

EXCEPTION MARKETS:

Exception flights will fall between approximately 600-999 miles. Those flights will receive the same level of service as the published 1000-1299 miles parameters.

  • Between DFW and: DTW, ORD, SLC, MEX (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between FLL and: PAP
  • Between JFK and: FLL*, MCO, TPA*
  • Between MIA and: IAH, PAP, CAP, DCA (Effective 16-Oct-2014), IAD (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between MSP and: CLT, PHL
  • Between ORD and: BOS, DCA, DEN, JFK, LGA, RDU, AUS (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
*Flights between JFK and TPA/FLL do not currently operate.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:

It was reported from an internal source (but not formally announced) that American Eagle would be discontinuing plated meals and, instead, will offer snack boxes and/or chilled meal boxes on meal flights.

Based on the picture on the websites representing meal service, it is confirmed that American will use US Airways plates, bowls, and other servingware moving forward. Additionally, it has been speculated that tray linens will also be eliminated in lieu of the current US Airways paper tray liner. An AA Twitter representative, however, confirmed that buttonhole napkins would be here to stay.

Additionally on October 1st, American Eagle and US Airways Express flights will follow these same meal time frames with some variations to the service. Flights between approximately 176 and 999 miles will receive snack baskets, and meal flights will feature a chilled gourmet boxed meal. Some popular regional flights between approximately 700 and 999 miles will also receive a chilled gourmet boxed meal.

All information above has been gathered and/or copied from the AA website.

Links:
AA Meal Service
US Meal Service

HISTORICAL INFORMATION:

This section is purely vestigial, primarily concentrating on historical announcements prior to August 4th, showing a path from separate carrier policies to a combined policy.

On February 15, 2014, there was an internal announcement shared here, outlining changes to US Airways' meal policy, as well as a few minor changes on the AA side. The changes would occur in two phases: April and September.

April:
US Airways
The meal windows on US Airways has transitioned from the previous 3 1/2 hours and above window as of April 1st; now, they are serving meals on flights that are 2 hours and 45 minutes, and above (specified as 1,000 nautical miles in the announcement). Light snacks on flights under 2:45 hours has been added, featuring breakfast pastries and fresh fruit for morning flights, as well as finger sandwiches on later flights (known as Lite Bites). New meal window tiers has been added to standardize US Airways meal service:

  • Less than an hour: Nut mix
  • 1 - 2 hours: Snack basket
  • 2 - 2:45 hours: Snack basket plus pastries/finger sandwiches (Lite Bites)
  • 2:45 hours - 3 1/2 hours: Meal service, no appetizer
  • 3 1/2 hours - 4 1/2 hours: Full meal, including an appetizer
  • 4 1/2 hours and above: Full meal service, accompanied by the snack basket

American
An expedited service for shorter, eastbound transatlantic flights (JFK-LHR/MAN/DUB) became the only choice in premium cabins. It was also announced that all eastbound transatlantic flights would receive a more streamlined service, but no visible differences has yet to be reported by FT members.

Over the course of this year (but all mentioned changes will discontinue on September 1st, with the exception of A321 transcons receiving three choices, as well as snack & brunch service for redeyes) a few notable improvements were made to transcontinental meal service, such as sorbets being offered as a breakfast/brunch dessert, supper service (an abbreviated dinner service without an appetizer and sundaes) that replaced snack service on redeyes, and three menu choices of entrees being offered instead of the previous two menu choices.

There were also a few cutbacks in the spring: on Flagship Transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO; MIA-LAX), wherein marinated anti-pasto was discontinued in 3-class First Class lunch/dinner service; and in International First Class, where the wine-tasting course, grey placemats, and grey water glasses were eliminated in May.

Historical Weekly Updates (shared from an internal source):
6/14

  • Emphasis on being a leader, not a follower, according to Doug Parker.
  • Catering and cabin equipment review in progress.
  • FA involvement team to be created.
  • US/IB codeshare has started these past few days.
  • Three cycles of the revision for the joint certificate have been approved by the FAA. FAs now have inflight manual revisions.
  • MIA and JFK catering issues are still being addressed.
  • Visual presentation of the beef in the sandwich on the second meal service from Europe to the United States is being reviewed by F&B and catering in Europe.

6/21
  • Leadership conference focused on restoring AA to greatness.

Reply to negative feedback via website form: (3.5 hr flight RNO-ORD)

Thank you for contacting American. We know that meal options are important to our customers, and we appreciate the opportunity to address your comments about the changes we have made to our First Class meal program.

There are no plans to discontinue the signature services that have set American Airlines apart over the years. In fact, we are investing millions in our product. This includes the existing premium transcontinental service on select markets, and the offering of certain elements that customers have come to appreciate over time such as warm mixed nuts on all meal flights, cookies and premium desserts on longer flights.

Our new Domestic First Class service footprint provides opportunities to not only streamline service but also to enhance the quality of current food components: new salads and entrees. Product offerings are be aligned with the length of flight. For example, appetizers have been added on certain flights, and a new snack basket concept has been introduced on shorter flights. New meal tray elements to modernize presentation have been introduced, including new china and a stemless wine glass.

A component of these changes is to make consistent between American and US Airways the length of flight where a full meal service is offered. Effective September 1, traditional meal service is offered in First Class on flights operated by American that are 2:45 or longer. While this has removed the traditional meal service from some markets served by American, the changes implemented at US Airways earlier this year added meals to many US Airways markets that traditionally have not offered a full meal service.

On flights from 2 hours to 2:45 in length we offer our customers a "Lite Bites" basket with a variety of food options including tea sandwiches, fresh fruit, breakfast breads and sweet and savory snacks. We will, of course, continue to offer complimentary beverages and snacks for our First Class customers on all of our flights, including beer, spirits and our award-winning wine selection.
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Old Jun 28, 2014, 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by FlightNurse
Hey Jim, all CRJ's in US have no ovens, AA's CRJ700 have meals, they are cold ones, not understanding why US's aren't serving cold meals, unless the galley isn't set up for it..
True about all US CRJ's not having ovens but until the HP merger US only had coach since US only had CR-200's. It had started to get CR-700's when the HP merger happened bringing with it the Mesa CR-900's, but still all coach so no meals. What's it been - only a couple of years - since US added FC to the larger RJ's. Along with FC came some meals on the larger RJ's, but until reducing the flight length with this merger meals were still relatively rare on even the larger RJ's and still non-existent on the DR-200's.

Hasn't US been serving cold meals on some longer larger RJ flights? PHL-DFW or IAH comes to mind.

Of course, I was used to no meals at all with US, even on mainline. Those went away for crewmembers over two decades ago except for TATL. Likewise, I have no idea about AA's RJ catering although I suspected that there would be more meals served than at US since US had the longest meal window in the industry at 3+ hours.

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Old Jun 29, 2014, 11:38 am
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Originally Posted by BoeingBoy
True about all US CRJ's not having ovens but until the HP merger US only had coach since US only had CR-200's. It had started to get CR-700's when the HP merger happened bringing with it the Mesa CR-900's, but still all coach so no meals. What's it been - only a couple of years - since US added FC to the larger RJ's. Along with FC came some meals on the larger RJ's, but until reducing the flight length with this merger meals were still relatively rare on even the larger RJ's and still non-existent on the DR-200's.

Hasn't US been serving cold meals on some longer larger RJ flights? PHL-DFW or IAH comes to mind.

Of course, I was used to no meals at all with US, even on mainline. Those went away for crewmembers over two decades ago except for TATL. Likewise, I have no idea about AA's RJ catering although I suspected that there would be more meals served than at US since US had the longest meal window in the industry at 3+ hours.

Jim
PSA actually had a few (I think 13-14) of the 700s that they got in 2003-2004 a little before the HP merger I believe.

I still haven't seen any meals on the larger RJs ... But YMMV.
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Old Jun 29, 2014, 12:16 pm
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wsj reports that US Air is running the show. So American in name only, i.e. US Air execs are running the show and `customer service` is NOT on the agenda. Cut costs, make profits. We have noticed the US Air execs already making the same mistakes American Execs made, eg placing old MD80s on the tarmac for a hour in 100 degree hear. I hear seating will go back to the old model. First class and `knee in your chin` while `sharing your seat with the guys next to you` every where else in the cabin. I give the new American 9 months and back in bankruptcy.
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Old Jun 29, 2014, 12:57 pm
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Originally Posted by biztraveler2007
wsj reports that US Air is running the show. So American in name only, i.e. US Air execs are running the show and `customer service` is NOT on the agenda. Cut costs, make profits. We have noticed the US Air execs already making the same mistakes American Execs made, eg placing old MD80s on the tarmac for a hour in 100 degree hear. I hear seating will go back to the old model. First class and `knee in your chin` while `sharing your seat with the guys next to you` every where else in the cabin. I give the new American 9 months and back in bankruptcy.
They won't be back in bankruptcy in 9 months but they will likely become about as profitable as UA fairly quickly while DL gets a bunch of their high dollar business.

Horton was making so many great improvements. Such a shame that Dougie is (probably) hellbent on making AA just one step above Spirit.
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Old Jun 29, 2014, 3:29 pm
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Originally Posted by biztraveler2007
wsj reports that US Air is running the show. So American in name only, i.e. US Air execs are running the show and `customer service` is NOT on the agenda. Cut costs, make profits. We have noticed the US Air execs already making the same mistakes American Execs made, eg placing old MD80s on the tarmac for a hour in 100 degree hear. I hear seating will go back to the old model. First class and `knee in your chin` while `sharing your seat with the guys next to you` every where else in the cabin. I give the new American 9 months and back in bankruptcy.
Link?
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Old Jun 29, 2014, 3:42 pm
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Originally Posted by biztraveler2007
wsj reports that US Air is running the show. So American in name only, i.e. US Air execs are running the show and `customer service` is NOT on the agenda. Cut costs, make profits. We have noticed the US Air execs already making the same mistakes American Execs made, eg placing old MD80s on the tarmac for a hour in 100 degree hear. I hear seating will go back to the old model. First class and `knee in your chin` while `sharing your seat with the guys next to you` every where else in the cabin. I give the new American 9 months and back in bankruptcy.
That's a pretty hyperbolic post, even by FT standards.

Also, what does this have to do with meal windows?
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Old Jun 30, 2014, 9:29 am
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Originally Posted by flyingmusicianlax
That's a pretty hyperbolic post, even by FT standards.

Also, what does this have to do with meal windows?
AA will most likely match the new US 2.75 hour meal threshold. Not confirmed yet, but I'm guessing this will be the case.
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Old Jun 30, 2014, 4:01 pm
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Originally Posted by austin_res
AA will most likely match the new US 2.75 hour meal threshold. Not confirmed yet, but I'm guessing this will be the case.
I definitely hope not. This would make no sense, given that UA/DL both has a 900mi threshold, and AA currently enjoys the best meal windows out of all the legacies.
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Old Jun 30, 2014, 8:07 pm
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Originally Posted by MrAndy1369
I definitely hope not. This would make no sense, given that UA/DL both has a 900mi threshold, and AA currently enjoys the best meal windows out of all the legacies.
Yes, and AA has/will have fewer F seats than UA and DL on comparable aircraft (319, 321).

Dougie wants AA to be at the very bottom when it comes to service.
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Old Jun 30, 2014, 10:24 pm
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Originally Posted by TXguy
Yes, and AA has/will have fewer F seats than UA and DL on comparable aircraft (319, 321).

Dougie wants AA to be at the very bottom when it comes to service.
Why would Doug want AA to be on the bottom of the heap, anyway? That wouldn't make sense from a business/customer retention perspective.
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Old Jul 1, 2014, 7:55 am
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Originally Posted by MrAndy1369
Why would Doug want AA to be on the bottom of the heap, anyway? That wouldn't make sense from a business/customer retention perspective.
Doug wants to be profitable. If that means cutting service (costs in his mind) he will do it. He doesn't care about how his airline is perceived if it is profitable.
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Old Jul 1, 2014, 7:57 am
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Originally Posted by MrAndy1369
Why would Doug want AA to be on the bottom of the heap, anyway? That wouldn't make sense from a business/customer retention perspective.
You're right, but Dougie has shown that he cares about cutting costs above all else and not much at all about service.

Plenty of decisions made at the new AA prove his vision doesn't change from airline to airline.

As far as the configurations, I don't think he had anything to do with the 319 but I'm very sure he did with the 321 (AA's original plan was 24 F seats).
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Old Jul 1, 2014, 7:59 am
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Originally Posted by austin_res
Doug wants to be profitable. If that means cutting service (costs in his mind) he will do it. He doesn't care about how his airline is perceived if it is profitable.
And he thinks cutting service is the best (maybe even only) way to do it.
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Old Jul 1, 2014, 9:38 am
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Originally Posted by TXguy
And he thinks cutting service is the best (maybe even only) way to do it.
Why not? It's working so well at UA.
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Old Jul 1, 2014, 9:48 am
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Originally Posted by NiceLanding
Why not? It's working so well at UA.
No kidding.

DL will probably get tons of new high value customers when Dougie's plans are fully implemented.
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