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Speculation: New Routes, Hubs, Flights (2017 Onward)
Because there is community interest in having a purely speculative discussion about whether other airports will pop up to become focus cities or hubs, new routes, etc. the following new thread has been amalgamated on this topic.Note:
Going: 9 A330-300, ER190, some older 757-200 and 8 767-300ER (leaving 17), MD-80
Coming: Remainder of 16 Boeing 26 787-8, 22 Boeing 787-9 (began later 2016). A320 family - 100 A321neo, and B737-800 (100 737-MAX8) aircraft.
See Cranky Flier article on 2016 fleet changes, AA-HP-US. Link.
Also see: HELP DESK: General questions about aircraft equipment, fleet, seats, IFE, etc.
Speculation fun time: Will xxx be the next AA focus city / hub? (consolidated)
Obsolete posts from 2015 on have been moved to ARCHIVE: Speculation: Possible Routes (Flights) and Hubs, Discussion - 2015 on
All posts prior to 2015 have been moved here: ARCHIVE: Routes (Flights) and Hubs (Speculation, News and Discussion)
Speculation: Possible Routes (Flights) and Hubs, Discussion - (2017 on)
Aug 19, 2016, 12:38 pm
#106
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Exactly. I thought the addition of the PMUS long haul routes would help with a little EU expansion, too. I'm surprised you can fly from so many places to FCO on AA metal, or even ATH (or VCE seasonally!) but there's *one* 757 route per day to the 5th busiest airport in Europe (only about 1.5M annual pax from being the 3rd busiest)
If a 75L could reach ATH or VCE ... you never know what Dougie would do
Note that both of these destinations are served by pmUS (i.e. not many premium seats) metal, and I would be surprised if they were upgauged to anything with more J than what they now have.
Aug 19, 2016, 2:18 pm
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Aug 19, 2016, 2:19 pm
#109
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Aug 20, 2016, 7:22 am
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FWIW there's an a.net thread with some speculation about the cancellation of ORD-DUS and the possible addition of ORD-AMS:
http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewt...?f=3&t=1340611
http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewt...?f=3&t=1340611
Aug 20, 2016, 8:15 am
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My random guess is that PHL-BRU/LIS are on thin ice. If there are additional PHL seasonal cuts, what is the point of having that many "TA" 752's? I also have to wonder how successful CLT-FCO/BCN/DUB are.
I always suspected PHL would lose some TA service, but I will say as a PHL based traveler these cuts only increase my rationale for flying UA out of EWR for international trips.
Aug 20, 2016, 8:57 am
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Further down in that thread the OP does say that ORD-DUS will be cancelled but doubts the addition of ORD-AMS. Take that for what it's worth.
My random guess is that PHL-BRU/LIS are on thin ice. If there are additional PHL seasonal cuts, what is the point of having that many "TA" 752's? I also have to wonder how successful CLT-FCO/BCN/DUB are.
I always suspected PHL would lose some TA service, but I will say as a PHL based traveler these cuts only increase my rationale for flying UA out of EWR for international trips.
My random guess is that PHL-BRU/LIS are on thin ice. If there are additional PHL seasonal cuts, what is the point of having that many "TA" 752's? I also have to wonder how successful CLT-FCO/BCN/DUB are.
I always suspected PHL would lose some TA service, but I will say as a PHL based traveler these cuts only increase my rationale for flying UA out of EWR for international trips.
DUB seems succesful from CLT (weird how they don't operate it for St Paddys day though...)
You are right about LIS and BRU. Those lived off of *A cx from what I've heard so they may not be doing so well. Anyone know if there are public #s?
Aug 20, 2016, 12:56 pm
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As I have lots of Family in the Netherlands I'm kinda hoping ORD-AMS is true. Even Better if its on LAA 757 vs LUS 757... I flew the LUS 757 on CLT-DUB last fall (actually the last flight of the season) and it was not worth it... Should have bought Y and spent the difference elsewhere.
Aug 20, 2016, 1:06 pm
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I have no issue riding 757s TATL from the East Coast, but 4120 miles while maybe technically within the range of the aircraft (I'm not a expert) is really pushing it, and is not something I would be flying on.
Aug 20, 2016, 1:18 pm
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At 4120 miles (per great circle mapper) let's hope that if they do start ORD-AMS its on something other than a 757, LAA or LUS no matter. Like a widebody.
I have no issue riding 757s TATL from the East Coast, but 4120 miles while maybe technically within the range of the aircraft (I'm not a expert) is really pushing it, and is not something I would be flying on.
I have no issue riding 757s TATL from the East Coast, but 4120 miles while maybe technically within the range of the aircraft (I'm not a expert) is really pushing it, and is not something I would be flying on.
Aug 21, 2016, 1:06 am
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Could it be that no new AMS service will be started. And that the reason why there is a job listing posted at AA for Dutch speaking FAs is because AA will now be taking over the PHL-AMS route from LUS? And thus has to be flown with LAA crew members. Of which, there are currently no Dutch speaking FA's (technically speaking). Beacause there was no LAA service to AMS.
Aug 21, 2016, 1:47 am
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Could it be that no new AMS service will be started. And that the reason why there is a job listing posted at AA for Dutch speaking FAs is because AA will now be taking over the PHL-AMS route from LUS? And thus has to be flown with LAA crew members. Of which, there are currently no Dutch speaking FA's (technically speaking). Beacause there was no LAA service to AMS.
Aug 21, 2016, 2:13 am
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Aug 21, 2016, 6:40 am
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TWA discontinued AMS and BRU in 1993 so I doubt many of those FA's are still around and if they are, I doubt many of them are ORD based. LAA has not flown to ORD - Brussels since 2011 and most of the Flemish speakers were quite senior and retired or transferred to other bases for better trips; thus LAA has to hire off the street. AA cannot force LOD speakers to change bases...
Aug 21, 2016, 11:14 am
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I highly doubt that AA will start ORD-AMS flights. What's most likely to happen is that the PHL-AMS service will switch from LUS to LAA aircraft and the crews for those flights will most likely be JFK based (same as ORD-DUB which is operated by LUS aircraft with crews based in PHL).