Nov 26, 2014, 4:51 am
Last edit by: IADCAflyer
Speculation: New Routes, Hubs, Flights (2017 Onward)
Because there is community interest in having a purely speculative discussion about whether other airports will pop up to become focus cities or hubs, new routes, etc. the following new thread has been amalgamated on this topic.Note:
Going: 9 A330-300, ER190, some older 757-200 and 8 767-300ER (leaving 17), MD-80
Coming: Remainder of 16 Boeing 26 787-8, 22 Boeing 787-9 (began later 2016). A320 family - 100 A321neo, and B737-800 (100 737-MAX8) aircraft.
See Cranky Flier article on 2016 fleet changes, AA-HP-US. Link.
Also see: HELP DESK: General questions about aircraft equipment, fleet, seats, IFE, etc.
Speculation fun time: Will xxx be the next AA focus city / hub? (consolidated)
Obsolete posts from 2015 on have been moved to ARCHIVE: Speculation: Possible Routes (Flights) and Hubs, Discussion - 2015 on
All posts prior to 2015 have been moved here: ARCHIVE: Routes (Flights) and Hubs (Speculation, News and Discussion)
Speculation: Possible Routes (Flights) and Hubs, Discussion - (2017 on)
Aug 16, 2016, 8:31 pm
#91
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 49
If you had to be in coach but could snag 10A or F you were fine as there was no 9A or F due to the emergency exit door. They're all terrible now, including the legacy AA ones, if you can't get at least into MCE.
Do we think a 738 could do SNA-East Coast (perhaps only as a red eye for cooler temps in the summer months) with the shorter runway and noise abatement requirements out of SNA?
Do we think a 738 could do SNA-East Coast (perhaps only as a red eye for cooler temps in the summer months) with the shorter runway and noise abatement requirements out of SNA?
Aug 17, 2016, 12:48 pm
#92
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FWIW there's an a.net thread with some speculation about the cancellation of ORD-DUS and the possible addition of ORD-AMS:
http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewt...?f=3&t=1340611
http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewt...?f=3&t=1340611
Aug 17, 2016, 12:56 pm
#93
Join Date: Sep 2014
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FWIW there's an a.net thread with some speculation about the cancellation of ORD-DUS and the possible addition of ORD-AMS:
http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewt...?f=3&t=1340611
http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewt...?f=3&t=1340611
Wish I had the time energy and dedication to quote nonsensical rumors to start threads.
Aug 17, 2016, 9:55 pm
#95
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I can't image ORD-AMS supporting three daily flights by three different carriers. That said...it would be nice to have an AA option other than the crappy 757 from PHL. Did that once this year and it was a thoroughly miserable experience.
Aug 18, 2016, 1:05 am
#96
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Aug 18, 2016, 9:23 am
#97
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With so much new craft coming online AND companies saying to AA, "Hey you are so close to meeting all of our needs..."
Rasheed
Aug 18, 2016, 12:16 pm
#98
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There is no way that any AMS capacity would be added unless AA has corporate contracts (including cargo) needing such routes. Still a risk to add any new route, but let's not stress about the route feasibility at the moment, but just enjoy the potential benefits these routes will offer.
With so much new craft coming online AND companies saying to AA, "Hey you are so close to meeting all of our needs..."
Rasheed
With so much new craft coming online AND companies saying to AA, "Hey you are so close to meeting all of our needs..."
Rasheed
Aug 18, 2016, 1:25 pm
#99
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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...urn-india.html
But I never found too much support for it.
Aug 18, 2016, 1:53 pm
#100
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There was this rumor:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...urn-india.html
But I never found too much support for it.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...urn-india.html
But I never found too much support for it.
Aug 18, 2016, 4:02 pm
#101
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: SFO/NYC
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Take that for what it's worth (coming from a front-line employee), but it suggests that AA is pulling out of AMS entirely. Has anyone heard anything to confirm or negate that statement?
Aug 18, 2016, 4:07 pm
#102
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Location: LHR
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I was on AA 799 AMS-PHL today (side note: AA should be ashamed of the quality of the hard product in that 752--truly disgusting--although the FAs were fantastic). The lead FA made a comment to another pax that she was "bidding for a lot of AMS runs because we are losing AMS".
Take that for what it's worth (coming from a front-line employee), but it suggests that AA is pulling out of AMS entirely. Has anyone heard anything to confirm or negate that statement?
Take that for what it's worth (coming from a front-line employee), but it suggests that AA is pulling out of AMS entirely. Has anyone heard anything to confirm or negate that statement?
Aug 19, 2016, 8:45 am
#103
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Glad to hear this. Still shocked AA can only put a 75L on their ONE route to AMS from the US. You would think they could at least fill a 767 or A330. I believe UA has 4 direct flights per day there mixed between 763/764 and 789's.
Aug 19, 2016, 11:52 am
#104
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Of course AA's strategy is to funnel pax through LHR; I don't like it any more than most on this board, but that's their thing. AA's historic focus and strength has been LatAm, for better or worse.
Same argument for Asia. With partner hubs in NRT and HKG, AA has not invested much in reaching anything more than the major A-Pac destinations.
ETA - not sure moving from LUS to LAA service to AMS will improve things greatly, unless they upgauge the metal. How much better would an LAA 75L be over what LUS is using out of PHL now?
Aug 19, 2016, 11:57 am
#105
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Location: DFW
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Exactly. I thought the addition of the PMUS long haul routes would help with a little EU expansion, too. I'm surprised you can fly from so many places to FCO on AA metal, or even ATH (or VCE seasonally!) but there's *one* 757 route per day to the 5th busiest airport in Europe (only about 1.5M annual pax from being the 3rd busiest)
I'd venture to state that this is a byproduct of AA's overall weak Europe service footprint (excepting LHR, of course, and to a much smaller degree, MAD). So many destinations served by UA/DL on own-metal that AA does not serve at all, or on a very limited basis. The merger has helped, but not that much.