Mar 6, 2013, 10:37 am
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[B]Through / direct with same flight number on multiple segments credit as single non-stop
Through or direct flights are those that use one flight number but may not be nonstop. Takeaway: all nonstop flights are direct; direct flights might not be non-stop. When speaking to agents and you want a nonstop flight, specify nonstop.
AAdvantage Terms and Conditions (link):
If one takes a through / direct flight consisting of two or more segments operated as one flight number, the miles earned are as if the flight was a nonstop. E.g. AA111 FCO-ORD (772) and AA111 ORD-LAX (738) would render miles and segment credits as if you had flown nonstop FCO-LAX, even if you had a change of aircraft, terminals and gates in ORD.
It's not uncommon to have different aircraft carry out different segments, even different "gauges" (narrow and wide bodied) and different terminals. Normally, passengers flying both segments must disembark with cabin / hand baggage at the intermediate stops.
The exception is for round trips using same flight numbers, e.g. a mileage run using AA 123 SMF-DFW-SMF would credit separately and properly.
Seat selection will normally be for seats offered on all segments (as opposed to being able to select different seats on different segments.
Upgrades must normally clear on all segments to clear.
There are other peculiarities (affecting upgrade requests, Five Star Services, etc.) discussed in this thread. Booking through / direct flights can cause challenges one doesn’t experience on connections ting flights with different flight numbers or nonstop flights.
Through or direct flights are those that use one flight number but may not be nonstop. Takeaway: all nonstop flights are direct; direct flights might not be non-stop. When speaking to agents and you want a nonstop flight, specify nonstop.
A direct (or through) flight in the aviation industry is any flight between two points by an airline with no change in flight numbers, which includes one or more stops at an intermediate point(s).
For any flights that earn mileage credit based on a percentage of distance flown, the distance is determined on the basis of nonstop distances between the airports where your flight originates and terminates. On connecting flights with different flight numbers, the distance of each segment will be used. On single-plane, through, or change of gauge flights, the nonstop origin-destination distance will be used and credit for a single elite qualifying segment will be given.
[*]AAdvantage flight mileage credit is determined on the basis of nonstop distances between the airports where your flight originates and terminates. On connecting flights with different flight numbers, you'll receive mileage credit for each segment of your trip; on single-plane, through, or change of gauge flights, you'll receive the nonstop origin-destination mileage credit and credit for a single elite qualifying segment. On American Airlines and other AAdvantage airline participants, you'll receive AAdvantage mileage credit only for the class of service on which your fare is based when you are ticketed. American Airlines is the final authority on the methodology used to calculate mileage and the amount of flight credit for a particular flight or routing. American Airlines is the final authority on qualification for mileage credit and reserves the right to deny or revoke mileage credit at any time if American Airlines determines that mileage credit was improperly given.
[*]AAdvantage flight mileage credit is determined on the basis of nonstop distances between the airports where your flight originates and terminates. On connecting flights with different flight numbers, you'll receive mileage credit for each segment of your trip; on single-plane, through, or change of gauge flights, you'll receive the nonstop origin-destination mileage credit and credit for a single elite qualifying segment. On American Airlines and other AAdvantage airline participants, you'll receive AAdvantage mileage credit only for the class of service on which your fare is based when you are ticketed. American Airlines is the final authority on the methodology used to calculate mileage and the amount of flight credit for a particular flight or routing. American Airlines is the final authority on qualification for mileage credit and reserves the right to deny or revoke mileage credit at any time if American Airlines determines that mileage credit was improperly given.
It's not uncommon to have different aircraft carry out different segments, even different "gauges" (narrow and wide bodied) and different terminals. Normally, passengers flying both segments must disembark with cabin / hand baggage at the intermediate stops.
The exception is for round trips using same flight numbers, e.g. a mileage run using AA 123 SMF-DFW-SMF would credit separately and properly.
Seat selection will normally be for seats offered on all segments (as opposed to being able to select different seats on different segments.
Upgrades must normally clear on all segments to clear.
There are other peculiarities (affecting upgrade requests, Five Star Services, etc.) discussed in this thread. Booking through / direct flights can cause challenges one doesn’t experience on connections ting flights with different flight numbers or nonstop flights.
One or multi-stop, single flight numbers: through / direct flights (master thd)
Apr 22, 2012, 6:12 pm
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Plotting out an alternate xONEx to what I had planned before due to possible issues with work and other scheduling issues. New plan is for later in the year when ANC becomes unavailable.
Use of these flights will allow me to get where I need to go, maximize mileage and limit sector use.
Use of these flights will allow me to get where I need to go, maximize mileage and limit sector use.
Apr 22, 2012, 6:29 pm
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Apr 22, 2012, 8:51 pm
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Apr 23, 2012, 3:04 pm
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They get you coming and going
Hmmmm, maybe this belongs in the "most trivial thing I can complain about" thread.
Apr 23, 2012, 3:33 pm
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Cheers.
May 25, 2012, 2:53 pm
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Typically, those are called "direct" flights or one-stop flights.
I don't know how to generate a list of them, but I have to ask: Why? AA awards mileage for such flights based on the nonstop distance between the orgin and destination even though the stop might add mileage. Sometimes, the two segments require a change of planes - essentially a connection but with the lower mileage earning of a nonstop.
For mileage earning, it's usually better to book two different flight numbers and avoid direct flights. Upgrading can be challenging on the direct flights as well. All in all, mileage junkies tend to avoid them. But avoiding them does not require the compilation of a list - just check your itinerary when you book to make sure that the two segments have a different flight number.
I don't know how to generate a list of them, but I have to ask: Why? AA awards mileage for such flights based on the nonstop distance between the orgin and destination even though the stop might add mileage. Sometimes, the two segments require a change of planes - essentially a connection but with the lower mileage earning of a nonstop.
For mileage earning, it's usually better to book two different flight numbers and avoid direct flights. Upgrading can be challenging on the direct flights as well. All in all, mileage junkies tend to avoid them. But avoiding them does not require the compilation of a list - just check your itinerary when you book to make sure that the two segments have a different flight number.
May 25, 2012, 2:57 pm
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Sorry, I know this is vaguely OT for the AA forum but perhaps for Avios redemptions now they are charged by sector? I don't know if these direct flights would be treated as a single sector for redemption purposes, but it could be what the OP is thinking about?
May 25, 2012, 3:13 pm
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So using the OP's example, if JFK-LAX can be flown with a two-segment direct flight, look to see if the timetable lists such a flight with the "1" in the stops category. I doubt it's there. IME, many of the one-stop direct flights on AA are like IND-DFW-ABQ or BOS-DFW-SEA flown on MD-80s (these days, fewer MD-80s and more 738s).
May 25, 2012, 8:00 pm
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Merged with recent thread on the same topic. /Moderator
Welcome to FlyerTalk and the AA forum, traderde! 
Do take a look at Post #12 above...that seems to be a pretty comprehensive list from the timetable.
Do take a look at Post #12 above...that seems to be a pretty comprehensive list from the timetable.
May 25, 2012, 9:14 pm
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Thanks Ming. This is what I was looking for. I wanted to know, because Avios offers lower mileage rewards for direct flights.
in current timetable:
hope this helps.
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KIN AA936: CCS => MIA => JFK AA1871: OKC => DFW => LAS AA1428: SNA => DFW => TPA AA1656: ELP => DFW => SDF AA981: MSY => MIA => GUA AA309: LGA => ORD => RSW AA1729: OKC => DFW => SLC AA1576: OMA => DFW => OKC AA1035: JAX => DFW => SJC AA2040: TPA => DFW => STL
May 25, 2012, 10:20 pm
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I have never understood why airlines do this. What is the point? Can someone help me understand what benefit AA receives by doing this? Next week I am on AA 663 (PHL-DFW-LAS) and lose a segment and a couple hundred miles because of it, although it was by far the cheapest fare (plus my upgrade already came in for both segments at T-100) so I'm not complaining. Well, maybe just a little bit, because I fail to see the point. 