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[This thread is obsolete now that N800AN, American Airlines' first Being 787-8, has been announced as arriving DFW for flight trials etc. today. AA9702 departed PAE (Everett, WA) 14:07 hrs Friday, 23 January 2015, and is expected to land DFW at approximately 19:00 (local times).
Please follow the new thread here: AA's first Boeing 787 / 787-8 delivered to DFW today 23 Jan 2015)
Thank you.
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The first AA 787-8, N800AN, has been built; flight testing began 6 January 2015 with the article currently referred to as "BOE-817".
The initial 787-8 configuration is expected to be 28 J, 48 MCE and 150 MC.
Post 184 (sluggoaafa):
(Post #186, JonNYC, has details for the 787-9.)
The All Things 787 Blog states American has 16 787-8s and 26 787-9s on order.
Post #157 states first passenger flights early 2015.
JonNYC depicts what the J cabin layout is likely here in post #260.
roadwarrior84 in post #260 shares some interior photos he found online, here.
To keep things in some semblance of organisation, I've consolidated all of the 2012 threads on the 787 delivery dates, orders or delays into this thread. For reference, here are the threads I found from years past, along with their dates:
. . . ● 14 Jan 2013: American changing jet orders with Boeing, Airbus
. . . ● 12 November 2011: AA 787 delivery schedule?
. . . ● 21 December 2010: AA 787 delivery dates at risk - again!
. . . ● 2 September 2010: American's 787's may fly JFK-LHR
. . . ● 21 February 2010: Boeing 787 Dreamliner: when realistic to fly on AA?
. . . ● 17 April 2009: 787 deliveries pushed back to 2013
. . . ● 15 October 2008: AA Orders 42 787 "Dreamliners" (+ 58 on options)
Please see AA (internally) announces first B788 route for route and inaugural flights information.
(lower right wiki corner)[This thread is obsolete now that N800AN, American Airlines' first Being 787-8, has been announced as arriving DFW for flight trials etc. today. AA9702 departed PAE (Everett, WA) 14:07 hrs Friday, 23 January 2015, and is expected to land DFW at approximately 19:00 (local times).
Please follow the new thread here: AA's first Boeing 787 / 787-8 delivered to DFW today 23 Jan 2015)
Thank you.
/Moderator
The initial 787-8 configuration is expected to be 28 J, 48 MCE and 150 MC.
Post 184 (sluggoaafa):
28 B/C, 48 MCE, 150 MC
...last word we had was the 787 is due on 'property' approximately 12/31. January will be tied to FAA. February getting a few more tweaks done. March will be first AA revenue flight.
...last word we had was the 787 is due on 'property' approximately 12/31. January will be tied to FAA. February getting a few more tweaks done. March will be first AA revenue flight.
Originally Posted by American Airlines
Boeing 787s
We have plans to acquire 42 state-of-the-art 787(-8) Dreamliners, which are currently scheduled to be delivered starting in late 2014
We have plans to acquire 42 state-of-the-art 787(-8) Dreamliners, which are currently scheduled to be delivered starting in late 2014
Post #157 states first passenger flights early 2015.
JonNYC depicts what the J cabin layout is likely here in post #260.
roadwarrior84 in post #260 shares some interior photos he found online, here.
To keep things in some semblance of organisation, I've consolidated all of the 2012 threads on the 787 delivery dates, orders or delays into this thread. For reference, here are the threads I found from years past, along with their dates:
. . . ● 14 Jan 2013: American changing jet orders with Boeing, Airbus
. . . ● 12 November 2011: AA 787 delivery schedule?
. . . ● 21 December 2010: AA 787 delivery dates at risk - again!
. . . ● 2 September 2010: American's 787's may fly JFK-LHR
. . . ● 21 February 2010: Boeing 787 Dreamliner: when realistic to fly on AA?
. . . ● 17 April 2009: 787 deliveries pushed back to 2013
. . . ● 15 October 2008: AA Orders 42 787 "Dreamliners" (+ 58 on options)
Please see AA (internally) announces first B788 route for route and inaugural flights information.
ARCHIVE: AA 787 Orders / Delays / Changes / Delivery Dates, 2012 and later (consolida
Jan 15, 2013, 7:18 pm
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The 787 problems continue:
ANA grounds all of its 787s in the wake of smoke that caused emergency landing; passengers evacuated via slides:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...indicator.html
ANA grounds all of its 787s in the wake of smoke that caused emergency landing; passengers evacuated via slides:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...indicator.html
Jan 15, 2013, 9:06 pm
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JAL has cancelled all 787 departures for Jan 16:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...90F01820130116
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...90F01820130116
Jan 15, 2013, 9:15 pm
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too much evidence now that Boeing has a serious issue on their hands. Companies nor the government agencies start taking these strong steps unless there are major issues.
Jan 15, 2013, 9:33 pm
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Jan 15, 2013, 10:45 pm
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Jan 15, 2013, 11:02 pm
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Jan 15, 2013, 11:11 pm
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Lithium-ion batteries are too dangerous to be placed in checked bags due to the fire risk, but large, high-capacity li-ion batteries are not too dangerous to be incorporated into the design of the airplane itself? Lead acid batteries are heavier and don't recharge as quickly, but I don't recall very many aviation-related lead acid battery issues compared to the number of 787 incidents. Li-ion batteries may not be a very good idea in these applications.
Jan 15, 2013, 11:23 pm
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Lithium-ion batteries are too dangerous to be placed in checked bags due to the fire risk, but large, high-capacity li-ion batteries are not too dangerous to be incorporated into the design of the airplane itself? Lead acid batteries are heavier and don't recharge as quickly, but I don't recall very many aviation-related lead acid battery issues compared to the number of 787 incidents. Li-ion batteries may not be a very good idea in these applications.
NASA uses Li-Ion batteries and has for some time on EVA suits, and there are Li-Ion batteries on the ISS and many satellites (this is why Boeing went with them, after their positive experience in their satellite division showing higher flight safety than other types). They can be made safe, but it greatly increases the cost and weight of the system; worthwhile for a jetliner where a few tens of thousands of dollars makes little difference, but not so much for your laptop where I doubt you'd be willing to pay the four figure price and extra pound of weight penalty - the ThinkPads used on the shuttle, in order to be flight qualified, had to have special batteries installed, for instance. Oddly enough, the Nikon D3 cameras on board do not require any special batteries, their original Nikon cells met flight safety standards as-is.
Jan 16, 2013, 5:44 pm
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And now, the FAA has grounded the Dreamliner as well
The Federal Aviation Administration has now also grounded the Dreamliner / Boeing 787.
Boeing shares down 3% today.
Link to BBC story
Originally Posted by BBC, in part
"The in-flight Japanese battery incident followed an earlier 787 battery incident that occurred on the ground in Boston on January 7, 2013," the regulator said.
"The AD (airworthiness directive) is prompted by this second incident involving a lithium ion battery."
It said the battery failures resulted in the release of flammable electrolytes, heat damage, and smoke, and the cause of the failures was under investigation.
"These conditions, if not corrected, could result in damage to critical systems and structures, and the potential for fire in the electrical compartment," the FAA said.
"The AD (airworthiness directive) is prompted by this second incident involving a lithium ion battery."
It said the battery failures resulted in the release of flammable electrolytes, heat damage, and smoke, and the cause of the failures was under investigation.
"These conditions, if not corrected, could result in damage to critical systems and structures, and the potential for fire in the electrical compartment," the FAA said.
Link to BBC story
Jan 16, 2013, 7:23 pm
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I bought nonrefundable AA tixs for flying on JAL 787 metal. What's the chance of AA letting me change flight or cancel the whole trip in light of these developments?
Even if they put me on another flight, the new flight with connection will surely arrive hours later than the original 12hrs NRT-BOS direct flight. Could I then reject the new flight to get full refund? or get some kind of compensation for the couple hours delay?
Even if they put me on another flight, the new flight with connection will surely arrive hours later than the original 12hrs NRT-BOS direct flight. Could I then reject the new flight to get full refund? or get some kind of compensation for the couple hours delay?
Jan 16, 2013, 7:29 pm
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There's a travel exception policy for Japan on the aa.com home page. Read it.
Jan 16, 2013, 7:48 pm
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Jan 16, 2013, 7:51 pm
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