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[This thread is obsolete now that N800AN, American Airlines' first Being 787-8, has been announced as arriving DFW for flight trials etc. today. AA9702 departed PAE (Everett, WA) 14:07 hrs Friday, 23 January 2015, and is expected to land DFW at approximately 19:00 (local times).
Please follow the new thread here: AA's first Boeing 787 / 787-8 delivered to DFW today 23 Jan 2015)
Thank you.
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The first AA 787-8, N800AN, has been built; flight testing began 6 January 2015 with the article currently referred to as "BOE-817".
The initial 787-8 configuration is expected to be 28 J, 48 MCE and 150 MC.
Post 184 (sluggoaafa):
(Post #186, JonNYC, has details for the 787-9.)
The All Things 787 Blog states American has 16 787-8s and 26 787-9s on order.
Post #157 states first passenger flights early 2015.
JonNYC depicts what the J cabin layout is likely here in post #260.
roadwarrior84 in post #260 shares some interior photos he found online, here.
To keep things in some semblance of organisation, I've consolidated all of the 2012 threads on the 787 delivery dates, orders or delays into this thread. For reference, here are the threads I found from years past, along with their dates:
. . . ● 14 Jan 2013: American changing jet orders with Boeing, Airbus
. . . ● 12 November 2011: AA 787 delivery schedule?
. . . ● 21 December 2010: AA 787 delivery dates at risk - again!
. . . ● 2 September 2010: American's 787's may fly JFK-LHR
. . . ● 21 February 2010: Boeing 787 Dreamliner: when realistic to fly on AA?
. . . ● 17 April 2009: 787 deliveries pushed back to 2013
. . . ● 15 October 2008: AA Orders 42 787 "Dreamliners" (+ 58 on options)
Please see AA (internally) announces first B788 route for route and inaugural flights information.
[This thread is obsolete now that N800AN, American Airlines' first Being 787-8, has been announced as arriving DFW for flight trials etc. today. AA9702 departed PAE (Everett, WA) 14:07 hrs Friday, 23 January 2015, and is expected to land DFW at approximately 19:00 (local times).
Please follow the new thread here: AA's first Boeing 787 / 787-8 delivered to DFW today 23 Jan 2015)
Thank you.
/Moderator
The initial 787-8 configuration is expected to be 28 J, 48 MCE and 150 MC.
Post 184 (sluggoaafa):
28 B/C, 48 MCE, 150 MC
...last word we had was the 787 is due on 'property' approximately 12/31. January will be tied to FAA. February getting a few more tweaks done. March will be first AA revenue flight.
...last word we had was the 787 is due on 'property' approximately 12/31. January will be tied to FAA. February getting a few more tweaks done. March will be first AA revenue flight.
Originally Posted by American Airlines
Boeing 787s
We have plans to acquire 42 state-of-the-art 787(-8) Dreamliners, which are currently scheduled to be delivered starting in late 2014
We have plans to acquire 42 state-of-the-art 787(-8) Dreamliners, which are currently scheduled to be delivered starting in late 2014
Post #157 states first passenger flights early 2015.
JonNYC depicts what the J cabin layout is likely here in post #260.
roadwarrior84 in post #260 shares some interior photos he found online, here.
To keep things in some semblance of organisation, I've consolidated all of the 2012 threads on the 787 delivery dates, orders or delays into this thread. For reference, here are the threads I found from years past, along with their dates:
. . . ● 14 Jan 2013: American changing jet orders with Boeing, Airbus
. . . ● 12 November 2011: AA 787 delivery schedule?
. . . ● 21 December 2010: AA 787 delivery dates at risk - again!
. . . ● 2 September 2010: American's 787's may fly JFK-LHR
. . . ● 21 February 2010: Boeing 787 Dreamliner: when realistic to fly on AA?
. . . ● 17 April 2009: 787 deliveries pushed back to 2013
. . . ● 15 October 2008: AA Orders 42 787 "Dreamliners" (+ 58 on options)
Please see AA (internally) announces first B788 route for route and inaugural flights information.
ARCHIVE: AA 787 Orders / Delays / Changes / Delivery Dates, 2012 and later (consolida
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from Leeham news:
"QF’s cancellation gives Boeing two choices with these slots: resell them to an important, strategic customer or “close up” the production line and reduce some delays to other customers. Either is an acceptable alternative."
"QF’s cancellation gives Boeing two choices with these slots: resell them to an important, strategic customer or “close up” the production line and reduce some delays to other customers. Either is an acceptable alternative."
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As to the topic, AA's delivery positions for its 42 787-9s aren't likely to be signifcantly affected by QF's cancellation of its first 35 787-9s as airlines typically do not want widebody deliveries accelerated beyond the contractual schedule, unless conditions change for the better in the interim.
When AA placed the order in 2008, the firm 42 orders were to be delivered between 2012 and 2018. The options and purchase rights on the other 58 were for delivery (if exercised by AA) between 2015 and 2020. That's 100 in eight years, or about one per month. The three year overlap 2015-18 reveals that AA did not contract for firm deliveries of the initial 42 as quickly as Boeing could have committed.
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That's not accurate. If there was a preliminary MOU or LOI, it was superceded by the purchase agreement. Boeing and AA entered into Purchase Agreement No. 3219 on October 15, 2008 (amended several times since), obligating Boeing to deliver 42 firm orders unless cancelled by AA (via its reconfirmation rights).
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That's not accurate. If there was a preliminary MOU or LOI, it was superceded by the purchase agreement. Boeing and AA entered into Purchase Agreement No. 3219 on October 15, 2008 (amended several times since), obligating Boeing to deliver 42 firm orders unless cancelled by AA (via its reconfirmation rights).
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What's the difference of an order and a "confirmed" order? I went to the Boeing site, and indeed AA wasn't listed in the current list, but neither was Qantas?? And according to many articles, including the following, AA did place an order- http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...rlines-317506/
From the Boeing report on line you find the following for QF:
787-8 GE 30-Mar-2006 15 - 15
787-9 GE 30-Mar-2006 35 - 35
787 Total 50 - 50
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The Order is contingent upon labor agreements. AA isnt committed to anything until that is settled. It's also not correct that QF is not listed as a having ordered the 787. Sort by the reports and you will find the QF order on Boeing's site.
From the Boeing report on line you find the following for QF:
787-8 GE 30-Mar-2006 15 - 15
787-9 GE 30-Mar-2006 35 - 35
787 Total 50 - 50
From the Boeing report on line you find the following for QF:
787-8 GE 30-Mar-2006 15 - 15
787-9 GE 30-Mar-2006 35 - 35
787 Total 50 - 50
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Under the current 787-9 purchase agreement and supplemental agreement, except as described below, American will not be obligated to purchase a 787-9 aircraft unless it gives Boeing notice confirming its election to do so at least 18 months prior to the scheduled delivery date for that aircraft. If American does not give that notice with respect to an aircraft, the aircraft will no longer be subject to the 787-9 purchase agreement. These confirmation rights may be exercised until a specified date (May 1, 2014 under the current agreement) provided that those rights will terminate earlier if American reaches a collective bargaining agreement with its pilot union that includes provisions enabling American to utilize the 787-9 to American's satisfaction in the operations desired by American, or if American confirms its election to purchase any of the initial 42 787-9 aircraft. While there can be no assurances, American expects that it will have reached an agreement as described above with its pilots union prior to the first notification date. In either of those events, American would become obligated to purchase all of the initial 42 aircraft then subject to the purchase agreement. If neither of those events occurs prior to the specified date(May 1, 2014 under the current agreement) then on that date American may elect to purchase all of the initial 42 aircraft then subject to the purchase agreement, and if it does not elect to do so, the purchase agreement will terminate in its entirety.
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No, that's a mischaracterization of AA's rights under the purchase agreement. The order is not "contingent upon labor agreements." AA has an out if it does not confirm the delivery by a date certain. Additionally, AA's out expires (obligating AA to take delivery) if it reaches a satisfactory agreement with the pilots. Here is AA's explanation of the confirmation rights from the 10-K:
Two years ago, Arpey and Horton announced that AA was discussing with Boeing the compensation to be paid to AA for the production delay. AA and Boeing have been tight-lipped about the outcome of those discussions.
Two years ago, Arpey and Horton announced that AA was discussing with Boeing the compensation to be paid to AA for the production delay. AA and Boeing have been tight-lipped about the outcome of those discussions.
Sounds similar to the case we have been seeing for the 777-300s where they confirm a few here and there. Given the delays, AA wont have to confirm for sometime to maintain their production slots. Who knows what AA will look like by that point or ultimately how many they will take.
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So what AA has in place is a "right to purchase" agreement with delivery slots and and agreed upon price. They have not confirmed any purchase rights as of this point. That's the distinction between a confirmed order and the right to purchase. They wont be confirmed orders until AA signs off on the right to purchase.
Sounds similar to the case we have been seeing for the 777-300s where they confirm a few here and there. Given the delays, AA wont have to confirm for sometime to maintain their production slots. Who knows what AA will look like by that point or ultimately how many they will take.
Sounds similar to the case we have been seeing for the 777-300s where they confirm a few here and there. Given the delays, AA wont have to confirm for sometime to maintain their production slots. Who knows what AA will look like by that point or ultimately how many they will take.
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Further 787 Delays Announced
Per Bloomberg, American says that the delivery date for their first Dreamliner has been pushed past 2014.
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Bummer.. hopefully AA can leverage that for more 77Ws though.