AA Expands NYC Service, Announces "Partnership" with JetBlue / B6 (consolidated)

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Jul 19, 2010, 1:08 am

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Originally Posted by ijgordon

The departure area of every single US airport is nonsterile, meaning anyone can just leave the airport.

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Originally Posted by kebosabi

Not true. All deplaning passengers from inbound international flights (except from certain airports in Canada and Ireland) are always within a "sterile" area which directly lead into US immigration and customs. They don't deplane into the departure/arrival area like domestic travel and no one can walk out of the airport grounds without first going through immigration and customs.

Huh? The sterile area for US immigration and customs is not the departure area. That's the whole point: by US law, you have enter the country, clearing customs and immigration, to do anything, including connecting to an international or domestic flight.

As an aside, having domestic and international departures combined in one terminal (as is typical in the US) is nice. There are far more domestic flights (as a percentage of total flights) in the US than in most countries, and far more domestic-to-international connections than international-to-international ones.

In fact, DFW terminal D, for one, does have transit lounges and has the facilities to fairly easily allow international-to-international connections without clearing immigration, but the US government no longer allows use of those facilities.

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Canada does not require passengers ongoing to an international destination to enter Canada, they can remain in a sterile zone by just following signs that says "international transit passengers."

This is a conscious policy change made by the US post-9/11; the US now insists on doing immigration screening and requiring visas for all passengers transiting the US. Debating the merits of US law is reasonable, but saying it's something forced upon the US by poor terminal design confuses the issue.

Although I can't resist replying, this is way, way off topic.

Jul 19, 2010, 7:33 am

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Sorry for bringing everybody back to the topic of the thread ("AA Expands NYC Service, Announces "Partnership" with JetBlue / B6 (consolidated)")

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Official AA announcement from http://www.aa.com/netsaaver/viewProm...l&locale=en_US

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American Airlines And JetBlue

American Airlines and JetBlue have teamed up to offer travelers convenient connections between 18 key JetBlue markets and 14 international destinations served by American from New York(JFK) and Boston's Logan airports. The interline service can be booked through global distribution services including travel agencies, most North American online travel websites, American Airlines ticket counters and American Airlines Reservations. Both airlines are also working to make these flights available for sale on each other's websites.

Later this year, American's AAdvantage® members and JetBlue TrueBlue® members will be able to earn AAdvantage miles or TrueBlue points, respectively, when they fly on the cooperative flights listed below. More details to come.

Enjoy the convenience of interline service with seamless check-in and bag transfers for customers connecting between any of these markets:

American Airlines International Markets Served from JFK and/or Boston
Barcelona, Spain (BCN)
Brussels, Belgium (BRU)
Buenos Aires, Argentina (EZE)
London, UK – Heathrow (LHR)
Madrid, Spain (MAD)
Manchester, UK (MAN)†
Milan, Italy (MXP) Paris, France (CDG)
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (GIG)*
Rome, Italy (FCO)†
Sao Paulo, Brazil (GRU)
Tokyo, Japan – Haneda (HND)**
Tokyo, Japan – Narita (NRT)
Zurich, Switzerland (ZRH)

JetBlue Airways Markets Served from JFK and/or Boston
Buffalo, NY (BUF)
Burlington, VT (BTV)
Denver, CO (DEN)
Fort Myers, FL (RSW)
Houston, TX – Hobby (HOU)
Jacksonville, FL (JAX)
Nantucket, RI (ACK)
New Orleans, LA (MSY)
Phoenix, AZ (PHX) Portland, ME (PWM)
Portland, OR (PDX)
Richmond, VA (RIC)
Rochester, NY (ROC)
Salt Lake City, UT (SLC)
Sarasota, FL (SRQ)
Syracuse, NY (SYR)
Washington, DC – Dulles (IAD)
West Palm Beach, FL (PBI)

*New Service Begins November 18, 2010
**New Service Begins January 20, 2011
†Seasonal service

Jul 19, 2010, 8:13 am

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(Although one flight perhaps does this still, sort of: Air New Zealand LHR to AKL via LAX, though it's a horrible experience according to some).

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Originally Posted by sts603

On what grounds? NZ is a damn good airline.

I was not impugning NZ's onboard service, about which I know nothing. I was merely repeating what I've heard about the "holding pen" at LAX into which NZ transit pax from LHR to AKL are directed. Apparently, it has no amenities, no food other than junk food purchasable only with US$ cash, and is crowded and uncomfortable. Even passengers with *A status who can "enter" the USA rather than merely going straight to the transit "lounge" have been denied entry to the NZ executive lounges in the terminal, because NZ apparently restricts entry to only those traveling in J.

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Originally Posted by ijgordon

You could theoretically herd international-to-international connecting passengers to a special secure lounge, but (1) it would need to be guarded, (2) the pax would need to be escorted to their departure gates (risky in a crowded terminal), and (3) they'd probably be bored silly in a secure departure lounge that likely had minimal services.

This is more what I was alluding to.

Jul 19, 2010, 8:14 am

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Originally Posted by hillrider

Sorry for bringing everybody back to the topic of the thread ("AA Expands NYC Service, Announces "Partnership" with JetBlue / B6 (consolidated)")

Thanks for reminding us about the topic at hand. However, there doesn't seem to be any new information, so (as often on FT) the void gets filled with (semi-related) discussion and speculation.

Jul 19, 2010, 8:22 am

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are any of those flights from JFK to Int'l destinations above in 212 on AA flight numbered code shares, ie.. say JFK-MAD on Iberia?

Jul 19, 2010, 8:31 am

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Ah, I had no idea about that. I actually figured that they were required to clear customs, etc. and re-board from the normal area in T2.

That does sound miserable.

Jul 19, 2010, 9:38 am

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Note to AA re: press release: Nantucket is in Massachusetts, not Rhode Island

Jul 19, 2010, 9:49 am

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Originally Posted by salut0

Thanks for reminding us about the topic at hand. However, there doesn't seem to be any new information, so (as often on FT) the void gets filled with (semi-related) discussion and speculation.

Actually, if you read the press release, there is new information.

The interline service routes operated by JetBlue will allow people to earn AAdvantage miles.

Jul 19, 2010, 9:52 am

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Actually, if you read the press release, there is new information.

The interline service routes operated by JetBlue will allow people to earn AAdvantage miles.

EQM? Please? Pretty please? With a cherry on top? I'll do anything.

(granted I would still use B6 sparingly and never for long flights - but it'd be a nice option ex-NYC for places like RIC, SYR, etc.)

Jul 19, 2010, 10:05 am

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Originally Posted by MAH4546

Actually, if you read the press release, there is new information.

The interline service routes operated by JetBlue will allow people to earn AAdvantage miles.

That's great news for NYC fliers! Would be interesting if they extend this to any domestic LGA flights on AA that don't overlap with B6's network.

Of course, for non-NYC fliers looking to connect, a post-security bus between the AA and B6 terminals (ala AS/AA at LAX or UA at ORD during the hours around the international connections would seem to be worth the investment. That will make it much easier to sell the connections.

Jul 19, 2010, 10:10 am

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Originally Posted by MAH4546

The interline service routes operated by JetBlue will allow people to earn AAdvantage miles.

Though being pedantic, the real information is somewhat sparse, "Later this year, American's AAdvantage® members and JetBlue TrueBlue® members will be able to earn AAdvantage miles or TrueBlue points, respectively, when they fly on the cooperative flights listed below. More details to come."

I also see that Houston Hobby (HOU) is included in the list but not AUS. presumably because AA competes aggressively (my choice of words!) between AUS-JFK and AUS-BOS with their one ill-timed daily AUS-JFK roundtrip.

Jul 19, 2010, 12:48 pm

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From the B6 side:

http://blog.hellojetblue.com/blog/in...ent-announced/

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Mod note now added to OP with key posts linked - feel free to let us know if any should be added.

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Jul 19, 2010, 1:03 pm

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From the B6 side:

... where they have a really horrible looking picture -- which they say was supplied "courtesy of American Airlines" -- of a dirty AA tail:

Jul 19, 2010, 1:21 pm

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I got a bit excited about this until I realized that the mileage credits (whatever form they end up taking) only apply to routes where the two don't compete--so out goes the SF Bay Area. Still, the cooperation is a nice development.