Aug 30, 2017, 3:16 pm
Last edit by: CDKing
Alaska Airlines (AS) partnership with Singapore Airlines (SQ)
Earning
Beginning September 27, 2017.
For earning rates See Partner Page
Eligible flight numbers (No Silkair)
0001–0999
Burning:
Award Charts:
Earning
Beginning September 27, 2017.
For earning rates See Partner Page
Eligible flight numbers (No Silkair)
0001–0999
Burning:
Award Charts:
(see note below for definition of "Continental USA", "SE Asia" and "South Pacific" )
SE Asia-SE Asia: 17,500 Y, 25,000 J 35,000 F
North Asia-SE Asia: 22,500 Y 60,000 J, 75,000 F
North Asia-SE Asia: 22,500 Y 60,000 J, 75,000 F
SE Asia-Middle East/India 25,000 Y 65,000 J 85,000 F
SE Asia-South Pacific 30,000 Y 65,000 J 90,000 F
SE Asia-Europe 42,500 Y 110,00 J 160,000 F
North Asia-Europe 65,000 Y 175,000 J 240,000 F
Middle East-Europe 60,000 Y, 160,000 J 210,000 F
Continental USA-North Asia: 40,000 Y 80,000 J 110,000 F
Continental USA-North Asia: 40,000 Y 80,000 J 110,000 F
Continental USA-SE Asia/India: 47,500 Y 100,000 J 130,000 F
Continental USA-South Pacific 70,000 Y 145,000 J 190,000 F
Note: Chart only allows contiguous US and Alaska as "USA", however, AS connecting flights to Hawaii/Canada/Mexico are allowed. No chart for USA-Europe (though in theory you could redeem SIN-USA or USA-SIN routing on SQ onestops involving Europe and get off the plane in FRA/MAN, pretty high price in miles though). Stopover in SIN not allowed on regional awards (Intra-Asia,including South Pacific) not touching US.
"North Asia" includes China (PEK/PVG) as per latest update by AS. South Pacific is Australia/New Zealand
Alaska + Singapore Airlines (SQ) Partnership - Earning, Redeeming and Questions
Oct 16, 2019, 8:35 am
#346
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SHA/PVG
Programs: BA Silver
Posts: 67
A PVG-HND/NRT-HKG J routing with stopover costs 25K++ at AS, almost the same as a return J ticket from BA, so what's the reason to kill it? Only to make the future reward tickets more profitable for AS?
That said, if AS decides to do so, they better honour the SQ tickets in the first place in order to make it logically sound.
Oct 16, 2019, 8:43 am
#347
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SHA/PVG
Programs: BA Silver
Posts: 67
AS charges almost twice the price for these intra-Asia ow tix, comparing with BA ow tix. So I would say an AS intra-Asia ow is a ticket that is fundamentally a combined two ow tix, regarding the price someone has to pay.
Oct 16, 2019, 8:44 am
#348
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,784
Oct 16, 2019, 8:46 am
#349
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,397
Yes. And I don't think this is reasonable in any sense.
A PVG-HND/NRT-HKG J routing with stopover costs 25K++ at AS, almost the same as a return J ticket from BA, so what's the reason to kill it? Only to make the future reward tickets more profitable for AS?
That said, if AS decides to do so, they better honour the SQ tickets in the first place in order to make it logically sound.
A PVG-HND/NRT-HKG J routing with stopover costs 25K++ at AS, almost the same as a return J ticket from BA, so what's the reason to kill it? Only to make the future reward tickets more profitable for AS?
That said, if AS decides to do so, they better honour the SQ tickets in the first place in order to make it logically sound.
The reason to kill it is apparently pigs get fed but hogs get slaughtered; everyone decided to redeem all at once. I admit I am surprised how this went crazy once the blogs and message boards promoted it. AS has to pay for those flights, if the money gets way out of balance they’re going to fix the balance. You used to be able to do all kinds of tricks with EK too, then somebody bragged online and it got shut down and prices went up.
Oct 16, 2019, 8:48 am
#350
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Pacific Wonderland
Programs: ʙᴏɴᴠo̱ʏ Au, IHG Au, HH Dia, Nexus, Pilot FlyingJ Preferred
Posts: 5,336
Do Avios and AS miles have the same value for you? Why not use buy it from BA then? Every award plan has a sweet spot. None of them are entirely sweet spots.
Oct 16, 2019, 8:52 am
#351
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SHA/PVG
Programs: BA Silver
Posts: 67
How much would a DEL-NRT-HKG routing cost on BA as a one way in J? You’re cherry-picking on a distance based chart.
The reason to kill it is apparently pigs get fed but hogs get slaughtered; everyone decided to redeem all at once. I admit I am surprised how this went crazy once the blogs and message boards promoted it. AS has to pay for those flights, if the money gets way out of balance they’re going to fix the balance. You used to be able to do all kinds of tricks with EK too, then somebody bragged online and it got shut down and prices went up.
The reason to kill it is apparently pigs get fed but hogs get slaughtered; everyone decided to redeem all at once. I admit I am surprised how this went crazy once the blogs and message boards promoted it. AS has to pay for those flights, if the money gets way out of balance they’re going to fix the balance. You used to be able to do all kinds of tricks with EK too, then somebody bragged online and it got shut down and prices went up.
Oct 16, 2019, 8:55 am
#352
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SHA/PVG
Programs: BA Silver
Posts: 67
AS has a way more generous earning chart, especially when flying with J and F. And that said, regarding eponymous_coward's post, I am a bit cherry picking.
Oct 16, 2019, 8:58 am
#353
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,397
Oct 16, 2019, 9:01 am
#354
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: BOS/ORH
Programs: AS 75K
Posts: 18,323
Oct 16, 2019, 9:07 am
#355
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,397
Oct 16, 2019, 9:07 am
#356
Join Date: Sep 2018
Programs: Alaska
Posts: 2,188
it is so obvious that SQ complained it to AS, which triggered all the actions. SQ always monitors its booking, especially for premium classes. There is no way for SQ not knowing it.
Oct 16, 2019, 9:07 am
#357
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SHA/PVG
Programs: BA Silver
Posts: 67
But give it a second thought. I'm confused why would AS/SQ publish such an imaginative stopover routing. I mean, just like the CX Vietnam fare, even these SQ fares are restricted to real SE Asia, still lots of guys would position to those cities.
Last edited by moreismore; Oct 17, 2019 at 5:01 pm
Oct 16, 2019, 9:11 am
#358
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,397
what a load of crap! All over the Internet, there were talks about JL Intra-Asia tricks for years and for every Mileage plan sales. So all of sudden, it is a problem because someone here talked about it?
it is so obvious that SQ complained it to AS, which triggered all the actions. SQ always monitors its booking, especially for premium classes. There is no way for SQ not knowing it.
it is so obvious that SQ complained it to AS, which triggered all the actions. SQ always monitors its booking, especially for premium classes. There is no way for SQ not knowing it.
Oct 16, 2019, 9:16 am
#359
Join Date: Sep 2018
Programs: Alaska
Posts: 2,188
Again, it’s AS that pays SQ for the bookings. They’ll notice pretty fast once they see they’re going to have to write SQ a large check (it’s not rocket science to notice booking patterns and costs for FF flights). Doesn’t need to be SQ complaining at all. Easiest to just make all Asia partners identical to CX (which never had intra-Asia stopovers).
JL tricks works for China, too.
Oct 16, 2019, 9:21 am
#360
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,397
Anyways, does it matter? It’s gone. Oh well.