Dec 6, 2016, 7:53 pm
Last edit by: DoubleWidesFly
Wiki for using AS (Alaska) miles on JL (Japan Airlines)
All awards for domestic Japan will default to Economy (including international F or J award with domestic segments)
However, these can often be upgraded at reasonable cost at the ticket counter in the Japan connecting airport
Award Chart If not listed it's not available - EXCEPTION: Hawaii-Asia awards are bookable, not yet on the chart, at the same prices as Continental U.S.-Asia
(as of March 2017, Premium Economy is no longer available)
(As of October 2019, stopovers are no longer allowed on intra Asia awards)
Class of Service One-way Round-trip
U.S./Canada to Asia
Coach 35,000 70,000
Premium 40,000 80,000
Business 60,000 120,000
First 70,000 140,000
U.S./Canada to Southeast Asia
Coach 40,000 80,000
Premium 45,000 90,000
Business 65,000 130,000
First 75,000 150,000
Intra Asia
Coach 15,000 30,000
Premium 17,500 35,000
Business 25,000 50,000
First 30,000 60,000
International gateways
All AS valid destinations from Tokyo (HND/NRT), Osaka (KIX) or Nagoya (NGO).
PUS, GMP, ICN, DLC, PVG, SHA, PEK, TSA, TPE, KHH, CAN, HKG, MNL, HAN, SGN, BKK, SIN, KUL, CGK, DEL, HNL, KOA, YVR, SEA, SFO, LAX, SAN, ORD, DFW, BOS, JFK
USA
Boston - BOS
Chicago - ORD
Dallas - DFW
Honolulu - HNL
Kona -KOA
Los Angeles - LAX
New York - JFK
San Diego - SAN
San Francisco - SFO
Seattle - SEA
Canada
Vancouver - YVR
Asia
Delhi - DEL
Tokyo - HND & NRT
Osaka - KIX
Nagoya - NGO
Busan - PUS
Seoul - Gimpo GMP
Seoul - Incheon ICN
Southeast Asia or listed as SE based on how awards are pricing
Bangkok - BKK
Beijing - PEK
Dalian - DLC
Guangzhou - CAN
Hanoi - HAN
Ho Chi Minh City - SGN
Hong Kong - HKG
Jakarta - CGK
Kaohsiung - KHH
Kuala Lumpur - KUL
Manila - MNL
Shanghai - Hongqiao - SHA
Shanghai - Pudong - PVG
Singapore - SIN
Taipei - TPE
Taipei - Songshan - TSA
Tianjin - TSN (only from Nagoya, not very useful....)
All awards for domestic Japan will default to Economy (including international F or J award with domestic segments)
However, these can often be upgraded at reasonable cost at the ticket counter in the Japan connecting airport
Award Chart If not listed it's not available - EXCEPTION: Hawaii-Asia awards are bookable, not yet on the chart, at the same prices as Continental U.S.-Asia
(as of March 2017, Premium Economy is no longer available)
(As of October 2019, stopovers are no longer allowed on intra Asia awards)
Class of Service One-way Round-trip
U.S./Canada to Asia
Coach 35,000 70,000
Business 60,000 120,000
First 70,000 140,000
U.S./Canada to Southeast Asia
Coach 40,000 80,000
Business 65,000 130,000
First 75,000 150,000
Intra Asia
Coach 15,000 30,000
Business 25,000 50,000
First 30,000 60,000
International gateways
All AS valid destinations from Tokyo (HND/NRT), Osaka (KIX) or Nagoya (NGO).
PUS, GMP, ICN, DLC, PVG, SHA, PEK, TSA, TPE, KHH, CAN, HKG, MNL, HAN, SGN, BKK, SIN, KUL, CGK, DEL, HNL, KOA, YVR, SEA, SFO, LAX, SAN, ORD, DFW, BOS, JFK
USA
Boston - BOS
Chicago - ORD
Dallas - DFW
Honolulu - HNL
Kona -KOA
Los Angeles - LAX
New York - JFK
San Diego - SAN
San Francisco - SFO
Seattle - SEA
Canada
Vancouver - YVR
Asia
Delhi - DEL
Tokyo - HND & NRT
Osaka - KIX
Nagoya - NGO
Busan - PUS
Seoul - Gimpo GMP
Seoul - Incheon ICN
Southeast Asia or listed as SE based on how awards are pricing
Bangkok - BKK
Beijing - PEK
Dalian - DLC
Guangzhou - CAN
Hanoi - HAN
Ho Chi Minh City - SGN
Hong Kong - HKG
Jakarta - CGK
Kaohsiung - KHH
Kuala Lumpur - KUL
Manila - MNL
Shanghai - Hongqiao - SHA
Shanghai - Pudong - PVG
Singapore - SIN
Taipei - TPE
Taipei - Songshan - TSA
Tianjin - TSN (only from Nagoya, not very useful....)
Definitive "Booking Japan Airlines (JL) Using AS Miles" Thread - 2019 and Earlier
Mar 28, 2019, 2:12 pm
#781
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
I know that AS caches JAL availability, so I'm not sure if this is a result of that or something different.
I'm looking for TYO - PVG on 2/19/2020, which is within the 330 window. I'm noticing goose eggs on the AS website for biz/economy, but plenty of availability for both on BAs website. Curious when I should (if ever) expect these to hit AS? I'm trying to burn through my MP stash instead of transferring over MRs to BA to book.
I'm looking for TYO - PVG on 2/19/2020, which is within the 330 window. I'm noticing goose eggs on the AS website for biz/economy, but plenty of availability for both on BAs website. Curious when I should (if ever) expect these to hit AS? I'm trying to burn through my MP stash instead of transferring over MRs to BA to book.
It looks like there is plenty of space so waiting 3 days is probably OK. If you want it before then read my workaround post:
How bad do you want to go and how many miles do you have?
Mar 28, 2019, 3:24 pm
#782
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: PHL
Programs: AA Gold, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 480
About 3 days before you are past the AS JL block, then everything will show. This is not a caching issue. This is an AS blocking (hiding) award issue.
It looks like there is plenty of space so waiting 3 days is probably OK. If you want it before then read my workaround post:
How bad do you want to go and how many miles do you have?
It looks like there is plenty of space so waiting 3 days is probably OK. If you want it before then read my workaround post:
How bad do you want to go and how many miles do you have?
Interesting tidbit and thank you for clarifying!
Mar 28, 2019, 3:51 pm
#783
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
That's fascinating. I was playing around with your trick and noticed that I could book flights on 2/22/2020, which is actually outside of JAL's window by a few hours. I wonder if I went ahead and booked it if it would error out or not.
Interesting tidbit and thank you for clarifying!
Interesting tidbit and thank you for clarifying!
Mar 28, 2019, 4:29 pm
#784
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,392
Something is definitely a bit fishy on award availability using intra-Japan flights. Observe:
Oh, look, I can do HND-NGO-BKK with the long segment in J, short one in Y but who cares on that short a flight. Oh, wait, it errors out when I try to book it...
So let's see availability on the HND-NGO segment I want, JL 201:
Ooops. I don't know if this is JL married segment availability or what, but clearly all is not right at the House of Chester...
Oh, look, I can do HND-NGO-BKK with the long segment in J, short one in Y but who cares on that short a flight. Oh, wait, it errors out when I try to book it...
So let's see availability on the HND-NGO segment I want, JL 201:
Ooops. I don't know if this is JL married segment availability or what, but clearly all is not right at the House of Chester...
Mar 28, 2019, 5:46 pm
#785
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: YOW
Programs: AC 75K
Posts: 583
Anybody have insight into when the JL NRT-SEA flight will be given “regulatory approval”? Still showing as subject to approval when trying to book an award on that flight.
Mar 28, 2019, 6:04 pm
#786
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
No such message when booking on the JAL site. My guess is it is approved and the CrackerJack AS IT team will get around to removing the warning message by Christmas.
Mar 28, 2019, 6:06 pm
#787
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
Something is definitely a bit fishy on award availability using intra-Japan flights. Observe:
Oh, look, I can do HND-NGO-BKK with the long segment in J, short one in Y but who cares on that short a flight. Oh, wait, it errors out when I try to book it...
So let's see availability on the HND-NGO segment I want, JL 201:
Ooops. I don't know if this is JL married segment availability or what, but clearly all is not right at the House of Chester...
Oh, look, I can do HND-NGO-BKK with the long segment in J, short one in Y but who cares on that short a flight. Oh, wait, it errors out when I try to book it...
So let's see availability on the HND-NGO segment I want, JL 201:
Ooops. I don't know if this is JL married segment availability or what, but clearly all is not right at the House of Chester...
Mar 28, 2019, 7:19 pm
#788
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,392
I suspect there really ISN’T married segment availability.
Mar 28, 2019, 8:01 pm
#789
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: PHL
Programs: AA Gold, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 480
I would recommend not booking outside the window. I believe this is AS pre-caching the availability. While you can try it the one time I did space was not reserved (not surprising since it was outside the window) and my booking went into limbo with an error message. I think AS had it in a queue to contact JL to process it later but this requires manual intervention and if they have to do this too many times they might close down even this workaround. I ended up making a new booking once the window opened which actually did claim the space from inventory and issued a ticket, then I cancelled the limbo booking. But you can make a booking immediately at the booking window. I have had success entering booking details right before the window opened and purchasing immediately after the window opened.
Mar 28, 2019, 8:30 pm
#790
Suspended
Join Date: May 2006
Location: HKG
Programs: A3, TK *G; JL JGC; SPG,Hilton Gold
Posts: 9,952
Hi all,
I am wondering if anyone had tried changing JL tickets <24 hours before first flight.
i need to change my return flight now but someone(JL i presume? or AS...) seem to have taken control of my first leg - I havent done OLCI yet. any clue?
I am wondering if anyone had tried changing JL tickets <24 hours before first flight.
i need to change my return flight now but someone(JL i presume? or AS...) seem to have taken control of my first leg - I havent done OLCI yet. any clue?
Mar 28, 2019, 10:39 pm
#791
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
If by "taken control of my first leg" you mean you cannot change it online, this is standard AS IT failure. You should be able to do it before you have flown any segments but you will have to call in and if it is an Inter Asia only itinerary you may not be allowed to do it for fraud reasons but an itinerary touching North America should be no problem to change before departure of the first segment.
Mar 28, 2019, 11:08 pm
#792
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
There is married segment availability. It shows on QF and CX and on those sites it is now showing J available (married) on both legs. I would call AS, tell them the website errored out and ask them to manually book it. Get them to try for J on both legs but if Y/J is all you can get take it. Ask them to waive the phone booking fee since it is a website error.
Mar 31, 2019, 3:50 am
#793
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: bay area, ca
Programs: UA plat, , aa plat, marriott LT titanium
Posts: 4,833
There is married segment availability. It shows on QF and CX and on those sites it is now showing J available (married) on both legs. I would call AS, tell them the website errored out and ask them to manually book it. Get them to try for J on both legs but if Y/J is all you can get take it. Ask them to waive the phone booking fee since it is a website error.
Mar 31, 2019, 12:41 pm
#794
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,392
There is married segment availability. It shows on QF and CX and on those sites it is now showing J available (married) on both legs. I would call AS, tell them the website errored out and ask them to manually book it. Get them to try for J on both legs but if Y/J is all you can get take it. Ask them to waive the phone booking fee since it is a website error.
I don’t really want to do battle with AS agents who are ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ when the website goes all Carol Beers “computer says no” on them...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_says_no
Last edited by eponymous_coward; Mar 31, 2019 at 12:46 pm
Mar 31, 2019, 1:59 pm
#795
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 93
Unable to book award flight - cant confirm space on partner airline
Does anyone know if there is a way around the error (or what the cause of the error is)
We're sorry, we aren't able to confirm space on these partner flights. Please try again and choose different flights, dates or cities.
when trying to book an award flight on JAL via Mileage Plan?
The flight is showing availability on AS search (and also on BA Avios search for reference) but Ive not been able to book it via AS for the last 3 days.
We're sorry, we aren't able to confirm space on these partner flights. Please try again and choose different flights, dates or cities.
when trying to book an award flight on JAL via Mileage Plan?
The flight is showing availability on AS search (and also on BA Avios search for reference) but Ive not been able to book it via AS for the last 3 days.