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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:33 am
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Introduction

As you have been following the past thread, the Flying Blue programme will change as of 1 April 2018. In order to split the discussion from the earlier thread, we have created a new thread.

On 6 November Flying Blue has organised a press conference to inform the public about the changes to the programme. In addition, a mailing will be sent out to all members on the 6th and 7th of November and more information can be found on the designated website (link: https://explorefurther.flyingblue.com).

As an introduction, please find a summary of the changes below.

Please note that at the current time there is no difference expected to the benefits of the current tier.

Change 1: no more level miles, no more segments, but Experience Points

As of 1 April 2018 you will no longer earn level miles and segments per flight, but you will earn Experience Points (XP). The number of XP earned per flight depends on your cabin (multiplier times 2 for Premium Economy, 3 for business, 5 for La Premiere) and the type of flight (distinction between domestic, medium haul, long-haul 1/2/3).

For flights between 1 January – 31 March 2018 all earned level miles and segments will be converted into XP (1 segment = 7 XP; 1,000 level miles = 5 XP for members outside France). Please note that the highest conversion applies (it is not cumulative).

The number of XP required per tiers is:
- 100 for Silver;
- 180 for Gold;
- 300 for Platinum;
- 1,800 for Platinum Ultimate (in 2 years).

Please note that for current flyers who qualify on segments based on only intra-EU flights this could see an increase in the number of flights required. However, if you fly a mix if intra-EU and intercontinental (but qualify on segments), this will most likely see a reduction in the number of flights required to qualify.
For elite members, there is a roll-over of all XP above your tier threshold.

The rules for soft-landing have been extended. It is now no longer required to make at least 1 qualifying flight and in case you do not meet your threshold you will only drop one tier.

Change 2: number of miles earned dependent on fare paid (including fuel surcharge)

The number of award miles (for AF/KL/A5) earned is now depending on the fare paid (including fuel surcharge). Ivory members earn 4 miles per Euro, Silver 6, Gold 7 and Platinum 8.

Also earn award miles on AF/KL purchases (relating to seats, baggage and meals) according to the above schedule.

Earnings on partners remains as-is (based on fare class and distance flown).

Change 3: dynamic pricing of award tickets (on AF/KL/HV)

Another change will be that award tickets will have dynamic pricing, e.g. an award AMS-JFK could be more expensive than an award DUS-AMS-JFK. This is also in line with change 2, as flights from AMS are also more expensive than flights from DUS (you also earn more miles).

This also implies that we will see a difference in the number of miles required per flight. For example, an award from continental Europe to continental USA will currently set you back 25,000 miles for a one-way in economy. It does not matter if you fly to LAX or NYC, the number of miles is currently fixed. Under the new proposition, this will change. The cheaper flight (in this example: NYC) will see a slight reduction in the number of miles required, whilst LAX will see a slight increase in the number of miles required.

Furthermore, there will be a standard base level for the number of miles required per destination. As the standard revenue price increases, so does the number of award miles.

Change 4: status valid for 12 months (+ 3 months), personal membership year

FB will be moving away from membership year = calendar year (in case of upgrade of tier). Instead, FB will have an individual membership year. This means that after obtaining the higher tier, you will have 12 months to requalify. Benefit of this is that members are not bound by the calendar year (e.g. members who earn 20,000 level miles in a December of a given year and 20,000 level miles in January of the next year, do not have any benefit of their flights in case limited flights before/after).

I know some will feel that this is a significant downgrade compared to the current – at maximum – 27 months. Please note that based on FB information the majority of members (re)qualify in the last quarter of the year.

In addition, please note that for an Ivory member would like to go obtain Platinum in one year, as it will become more difficult, as (s)he will have to earn each threshold (so not 300 XP in the first year, but (100 + 180 + 300 = 580 XP). This is only applicable in the first year.

Change 5: changes to the co-branded American Express credit cards (FR/NL)

Currently you earn segments and level miles (on AF/KL purchases for Gold and Platinum card holders). This will change that you will receive additional XP when reaching your membership anniversary each year.
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Old Apr 16, 2018, 12:35 pm
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I am checking the options for XP run with the new rules.
CDG-TLV and CDG-CAI are just over 2000 miles which gives 24XP for each segment in C. It also works from AMS.
A BCN-CDG-TLV-CDG-BCN can be found for 420 euros in C giving a nice 78 XP.
I guess they are other options but I found this one pretty nice for the time spent.
Any other XP run idea to check?
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Old Apr 16, 2018, 5:03 pm
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Nice, though I would hate to enter and depart from TLV due to the strict security. Have read too much about it to even bother. I feel entering US is hassle enough, and I have got a Norwegian passport. Can't stand talking even two minutes to the security guards.
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Old Apr 17, 2018, 1:50 am
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Originally Posted by paolo64

Thanks for the clarification. It came up on matrix/Google from a PE search. It's odd , though, that I can earn 10XP on Dublin-Copenhagen via AMS for €70 but only 2XP for flying about 3,000 miles across the USA, at $300-350.
It would be even odder if the reverse were true (2XP for DUB-AMS-CPH; 10XP for a US domestic flight), particularly as most FB members are based in Europe.
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Old Apr 17, 2018, 1:53 am
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Originally Posted by Masterfrog
Any other XP run idea to check?
Please keep these mileage (or really, XP) run questions and ideas in the relevant thread: Mileage run suggestions please
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Old Apr 17, 2018, 7:16 am
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Originally Posted by paolo64

Thanks for the clarification. It came up on matrix/Google from a PE search. It's odd , though, that I can earn 10XP on Dublin-Copenhagen via AMS for €70 but only 2XP for flying about 3,000 miles across the USA, at $300-350.
It does show that AFKL does not treat the European Union as "one" country, while it does for the United States of America or China/Hong Kong/Taiwan.

But the business motivation has been discussed earlier.
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Old Apr 17, 2018, 7:42 am
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Originally Posted by paolo64
Thanks for the clarification. It came up on matrix/Google from a PE search......
Google Flights is a good web tool yet it has lots of minor glitches. Some flights shown as First (A Class) are actually economy.
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Old Apr 17, 2018, 9:31 pm
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Hi all,

Yesterday I had to change some AF/KL tickets. I paid a mix of fare difference + change fees. While it seems reasonable to think the fare difference will be taken into account for the mileage earning, what about the change fees? Are they included as ticketing fees in the mileage calculation?

Thanks
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Old Apr 18, 2018, 1:46 am
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I've found that Google flights doesn't get all the KL fares. When you check on the actual KLM site for bookings you generally get more and cheaper fares as well
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Old Apr 18, 2018, 2:07 am
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Originally Posted by TerryK
Google Flights is a good web tool yet it has lots of minor glitches. Some flights shown as First (A Class) are actually economy.
https://matrix.itasoftware.com

it is slower but gives you a better option on selecting flights. (you can not book!)

But not all fares are shown. So always use a second source to see if the best deal is shown.
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Old Apr 18, 2018, 2:39 am
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Originally Posted by bodory
Hi all,

Yesterday I had to change some AF/KL tickets. I paid a mix of fare difference + change fees. While it seems reasonable to think the fare difference will be taken into account for the mileage earning, what about the change fees? Are they included as ticketing fees in the mileage calculation?
I asked the same question some thread pages before (same situation as you). I don't remember anyone had a firm answer, but the "consensus" was that the fare difference would bring additional miles, while the change fee would not. Please report your exp (I will report mine but the concerned flight is only in august).
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Old Apr 18, 2018, 7:00 am
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Thanks Goldorak!

My flight is in July though.
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Old Apr 18, 2018, 11:51 pm
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Is there any information about whether one can request XPs for original routing to be credited in case of involuntary rerouting? I was supposed to fly AMS-CDG-SFO (in Y) during one of the strike days, and was rerouted AMS-SEA-SFO. Instead of 15 XPs, I got 12. When I requested to receive XPs according to the original routing, I was told this "requires deeper investigation"...

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Old Apr 18, 2018, 11:55 pm
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Originally Posted by ok986
Is there any information about whether one can request XPs for original routing to be credited in case of involuntary rerouting? I was supposed to fly AMS-CDG-SFO (in Y) during one of the strike days, and was rerouted AMS-SEA-SFO. Instead of 15 XPs, I got 12. When I requested to receive XPs according to the original routing, I was told this "requires deeper investigation"...
Sure, this philosophy has not changed. You should insist on the the original routing credit.
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Old Apr 19, 2018, 12:27 pm
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Originally Posted by ok986
Is there any information about whether one can request XPs for original routing to be credited in case of involuntary rerouting? I was supposed to fly AMS-CDG-SFO (in Y) during one of the strike days, and was rerouted AMS-SEA-SFO. Instead of 15 XPs, I got 12. When I requested to receive XPs according to the original routing, I was told this "requires deeper investigation"...
I was supposed to fly from Rome to Buenos Aires via Paris and because of the strike they re-booked me on Alitalia nonstop, so less miles and XP. I wrote FB through their contact page, attached pictures of my original itinerary, e-mail informing my flight was cancelled because of the strike and AZ boarding pass, and after a few days they answered they would honour miles/XP as per the original booking, which reflected on my FB account the following morning.
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Old Apr 19, 2018, 2:11 pm
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Originally Posted by ok986
Is there any information about whether one can request XPs for original routing to be credited in case of involuntary rerouting? I was supposed to fly AMS-CDG-SFO (in Y) during one of the strike days, and was rerouted AMS-SEA-SFO. Instead of 15 XPs, I got 12. When I requested to receive XPs according to the original routing, I was told this "requires deeper investigation"...
You should point them to the Flying Blue terms and conditions effective April 1st, 2018, section 2.7.

".. In the event of a transfer onto an alternative flight due to unforeseen circumstances the Member will gain XP and earn Miles for the flight the Member originally purchased, not for the route flown.."
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