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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:33 am
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Introduction

As you have been following the past thread, the Flying Blue programme will change as of 1 April 2018. In order to split the discussion from the earlier thread, we have created a new thread.

On 6 November Flying Blue has organised a press conference to inform the public about the changes to the programme. In addition, a mailing will be sent out to all members on the 6th and 7th of November and more information can be found on the designated website (link: https://explorefurther.flyingblue.com).

As an introduction, please find a summary of the changes below.

Please note that at the current time there is no difference expected to the benefits of the current tier.

Change 1: no more level miles, no more segments, but Experience Points

As of 1 April 2018 you will no longer earn level miles and segments per flight, but you will earn Experience Points (XP). The number of XP earned per flight depends on your cabin (multiplier times 2 for Premium Economy, 3 for business, 5 for La Premiere) and the type of flight (distinction between domestic, medium haul, long-haul 1/2/3).

For flights between 1 January – 31 March 2018 all earned level miles and segments will be converted into XP (1 segment = 7 XP; 1,000 level miles = 5 XP for members outside France). Please note that the highest conversion applies (it is not cumulative).

The number of XP required per tiers is:
- 100 for Silver;
- 180 for Gold;
- 300 for Platinum;
- 1,800 for Platinum Ultimate (in 2 years).

Please note that for current flyers who qualify on segments based on only intra-EU flights this could see an increase in the number of flights required. However, if you fly a mix if intra-EU and intercontinental (but qualify on segments), this will most likely see a reduction in the number of flights required to qualify.
For elite members, there is a roll-over of all XP above your tier threshold.

The rules for soft-landing have been extended. It is now no longer required to make at least 1 qualifying flight and in case you do not meet your threshold you will only drop one tier.

Change 2: number of miles earned dependent on fare paid (including fuel surcharge)

The number of award miles (for AF/KL/A5) earned is now depending on the fare paid (including fuel surcharge). Ivory members earn 4 miles per Euro, Silver 6, Gold 7 and Platinum 8.

Also earn award miles on AF/KL purchases (relating to seats, baggage and meals) according to the above schedule.

Earnings on partners remains as-is (based on fare class and distance flown).

Change 3: dynamic pricing of award tickets (on AF/KL/HV)

Another change will be that award tickets will have dynamic pricing, e.g. an award AMS-JFK could be more expensive than an award DUS-AMS-JFK. This is also in line with change 2, as flights from AMS are also more expensive than flights from DUS (you also earn more miles).

This also implies that we will see a difference in the number of miles required per flight. For example, an award from continental Europe to continental USA will currently set you back 25,000 miles for a one-way in economy. It does not matter if you fly to LAX or NYC, the number of miles is currently fixed. Under the new proposition, this will change. The cheaper flight (in this example: NYC) will see a slight reduction in the number of miles required, whilst LAX will see a slight increase in the number of miles required.

Furthermore, there will be a standard base level for the number of miles required per destination. As the standard revenue price increases, so does the number of award miles.

Change 4: status valid for 12 months (+ 3 months), personal membership year

FB will be moving away from membership year = calendar year (in case of upgrade of tier). Instead, FB will have an individual membership year. This means that after obtaining the higher tier, you will have 12 months to requalify. Benefit of this is that members are not bound by the calendar year (e.g. members who earn 20,000 level miles in a December of a given year and 20,000 level miles in January of the next year, do not have any benefit of their flights in case limited flights before/after).

I know some will feel that this is a significant downgrade compared to the current – at maximum – 27 months. Please note that based on FB information the majority of members (re)qualify in the last quarter of the year.

In addition, please note that for an Ivory member would like to go obtain Platinum in one year, as it will become more difficult, as (s)he will have to earn each threshold (so not 300 XP in the first year, but (100 + 180 + 300 = 580 XP). This is only applicable in the first year.

Change 5: changes to the co-branded American Express credit cards (FR/NL)

Currently you earn segments and level miles (on AF/KL purchases for Gold and Platinum card holders). This will change that you will receive additional XP when reaching your membership anniversary each year.
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Old Dec 20, 2017, 4:07 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
People have reported that Tarom or other airlines may have different domestic rates than the single value of the table, but as of now there has been no talk of having different domestic bands. (I think it would make sense, but I'm not sure I'd set it as high as 2000 miles. And if they do introduce a "higher" band, it's still unlikely to address all the complaints that would arise from the move)
Different domestic bands would be a solution; though I was thinking more of just using longhaul bands for domestic longhaul.
We'll see. either way.

Originally Posted by irishguy28
Of course there will be no earning of XPs for non-earning classes. Otherwise, you would have the incongruous ability (although it would be challenging, for sure, but not impossible!) to earn status in Flying Blue despite never accruing Award Miles for those flights...
I'm not expecting anything else, but it wasn't stated as such yet, nor obviously was it confirmed by experiment.
Curiously it would not be at all difficult for me to do this. CSA is selling mostly non-earning classes out of AMS and further out from PRG, and often are a bit cheaper than AFKL.

Originally Posted by irishguy28
[I mean, there are many other obvious things not explicitly stated, such as that, in the new programme just as in the current one, it's not enough to just book the flight - you also have to actually board the flight and complete each leg in order to obtain the Level Miles/Segments/XPs/Award Miles, etc etc etc. Additionally, in the new programme, just as in the current one, you can only claim Level Miles/Segments/XPs/Award Miles for flights booked and flown in the name of the FB account holder. etc etc etc]
Those are all explicitly stated in T&Cs. Admittedly, we don't have T&Cs for the new programme yet, I think.

Originally Posted by foxtwo
Sorry for the late reply. I don't get the chance to comment as often as I would like.

This was for a hypothetical booking.
By "ticket price" I meant the item as indicated on the KLM website so this is excluding all surcharges etc. See screenshot.
It appears you answered the question in a later post saying that the KLM website is, and has been for a while, buggy when calculating mileage potential. My question has thus been answered and I will make sure to check on future trips (nothing booked yet after the change) to see what the difference is.
From the screenshot, the mileage base should be Ticket price 1,687 + Carrier-imposed international surcharge 359.
With that in mind, yes, you are right and the calculation isn't right on the KLM website.
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Old Dec 20, 2017, 4:12 am
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Originally Posted by CyBeR
I count 25.

Edit: I didn't notice they're before april, in which case indeed 35 due to the conversion.
Cool. Thanks for that!

I have three segment runs planned before the conversion period and hoping to get a good chunk before they come into force
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Old Dec 20, 2017, 4:29 am
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The conversion is 7XP per segment, yes. Had you flown those segments after april 1st, they'd count as 5 each and thus 25.

Edit: oh I'm a page behind.
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Old Dec 20, 2017, 10:27 am
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Originally Posted by CyBeR
The conversion is 7XP per segment, yes. Had you flown those segments after april 1st, they'd count as 5 each and thus 25.

Edit: oh I'm a page behind.
That's alright! I only just caught your edit back there as it didn't show up as a reply.
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Old Dec 21, 2017, 10:19 am
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It really is a decent opportunity for those who wish to move from gold or get an extra year on platinum from January to end of March. It’s actually quite possible to get well over 300 XP for well under £1500 without spending a night away from your own bed.

I have planned a few segment trips but anybody with a bit more time on their hands could set themselves up for a few years on platinum with the XP. I will be gaining a lot of extra XP with work paid trips but still easy for others to build up their points
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Old Dec 21, 2017, 10:42 am
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Nothing is impossible, but you have to take 42 flights in 3 months, assuming you only do it over weekends, you are looking at around 4 flights every weekend, doesn't sound like much fun to me...
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Old Dec 23, 2017, 6:39 am
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Looks like the FB calculator is updated. Can't say if it's the final version, but:

Delta domestic first: 4XP/segment.

RO domestic economy: 4XP/segment.
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Old Dec 23, 2017, 6:45 am
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Originally Posted by Ditto
Nothing is impossible, but you have to take 42 flights in 3 months, assuming you only do it over weekends, you are looking at around 4 flights every weekend, doesn't sound like much fun to me...
Better do 8 flights / weekend and stay put every second weekend.
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Old Dec 23, 2017, 10:02 am
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Originally Posted by dc9northwest
RO domestic economy: 4XP/segment.
This would be even better before 31 march: Promo domestic flights are about 18 euro one-way, and earn 25%. After the conversion when the new programme starts each of those would be converted into 7XP.

180XP for gold would boil down to 26 segments, or, about 500 euro worth of domestic flights (1hr each).

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Old Dec 23, 2017, 10:36 am
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Originally Posted by dc9northwest
Delta domestic first: 4XP/segment.
That's still rather skimpy; it's the rate for Premium Economy.

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Old Dec 23, 2017, 11:10 am
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Originally Posted by dc9northwest
Looks like the FB calculator is updated. Can't say if it's the final version, but:

Delta domestic first: 4XP/segment.

RO domestic economy: 4XP/segment.
Actually I see that Kenya and Romania domestic flights earn double XP (4 XP/ Economy, 12 XP Business) regardless of airline.

Delta is still broken: Premium Economy is absent and instead First is showing as Premium Economy.
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Old Dec 23, 2017, 11:12 am
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Originally Posted by dc9northwest
Looks like the FB calculator is updated. Can't say if it's the final version, but:

Delta domestic first: 4XP/segment.

RO domestic economy: 4XP/segment.
SU domestic flights still show up as 2XP/segment, even a route like SVO-VVO
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Old Dec 24, 2017, 7:56 am
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I think with the revenue-based program, the carrier imposed surcharge / fuel surcharge YQ should also qualify for earning award miles - even if the ticket is an award ticket!
Also, extra lugagge, seat reservation in Eco comfort should also qualify for earning award miles for future award ticket! If they want to make it fair, then logically all spending except governmental surcharges regardless award / revenue tix should qualify for earning miles.
What do you guys think?
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Old Dec 25, 2017, 2:49 am
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Originally Posted by sch7458
I think with the revenue-based program, the carrier imposed surcharge / fuel surcharge YQ should also qualify for earning award miles - even if the ticket is an award ticket!
Also, extra lugagge, seat reservation in Eco comfort should also qualify for earning award miles for future award ticket! If they want to make it fair, then logically all spending except governmental surcharges regardless award / revenue tix should qualify for earning miles.
What do you guys think?
It's already been said in the original announcement that YQ is taken into account for the calculation of FB miles earned, as well as all paid options (seats, baggages, meals, etc). But in case of award tickets, I don't think the YQ paid part of the ticket will lead to any miles earned. Award tickets still means 0 miles earned.
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Old Dec 25, 2017, 7:50 am
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Originally Posted by Xandrios
This would be even better before 31 march: Promo domestic flights are about 18 euro one-way, and earn 25%. After the conversion when the new programme starts each of those would be converted into 7XP.

180XP for gold would boil down to 26 segments, or, about 500 euro worth of domestic flights (1hr each).
That's a pretty good deal. I was thinking south of France for a segment/matress run, but hey, I have wanted to visit Romania for a while now.
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