This is Ac's idea of how to "simplify" things for its consumers - buy a really cheap fare tells them the competition is a charter carrier with no FF program, so why offer points that probably cost them $90 for your trip. The strategy has been around for a couple of years.

Andrew, thanks for updating. I see you now have the elusive P fare to/from Asian destinations.

Yes - and the "S" fare too!

Thanks Andrew.

C to asia, no COS bonus...
 

I cannot for the life of me understand why flights to Asia in C do not earn a COS bonus. Can someone explain this to me? Is the $6000 I am paying a bargain or something?

From the aircanada.com website, it looks like Germany and Switzerland have similar fare options to those offered for UK, France, Italy, Ireland and Israel (note sp. error in "Isreal" in first post). I found Leisure, Latitude Plus, Executive First Lowest, and Executive First Flexible for Canada-Germany and Canada-Switzerland itineraries. Even the Tourist option for connecting code-share flights with Swiss to Switzerland is available for the summer.

I'm looking at booking a U fare to Asia. My tentative booking says the following:

What does this mean? How do I know if my ticket is refundable?

"How do I know if my ticket is refundable"

- trouble is you don't. But for all practical purposes, are likely refundable. Here is one fare rule printout for YVR-PEK:

Search: Departing YVR on 20/06/08 for BJS
Fare basis code UHWCNOW
Flying AC




Label Description

APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS RULE - 003/7000 BETWEEN CANADA AND AREA 3 AC SPECIAL FARES BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 3 // POS CA APPLICATION AREA THESE FARES APPLY BETWEEN CANADA AND AREA 3. CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE. TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION THIS RULE GOVERNS ROUND-TRIP FARES. FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/SINGLE OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS. THESE FARES MAY BE USED FOR INDIVIDUAL AND GROUP INCLUSIVE TOURS. CAPACITY LIMITATIONS THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN FLIGHT WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIERS BEST JUDGMENT
DAY/TIME FOR WEEKEND FARES PERMITTED FRI THROUGH SUN ON EACH TRANSPACIFIC SECTOR.
SEASONALITY BETWEEN CANADA AND CHINA FOR HIGH SEASON FARES PERMITTED 16JUN THROUGH 10AUG ON THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL SECTOR.
ADVANCE RES/TICKETING BETWEEN CANADA AND AREA 3 RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS. WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE AT LEAST 4 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 72 HOURS AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 3 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER. OR - RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS. TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 24 HOURS AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE.
MAXIMUM STAY NONE FOR ONE WAY FARES
STOPOVERS BETWEEN CANADA AND AREA 3 NOTE - GENERAL RULE DOES NOT APPLY 2 STOPOVERS PERMITTED LIMITED TO 1 FREE AND 1 AT CAD 100.00. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
PERMITTED COMBINATIONS BETWEEN CANADA AND AREA 3 FOR ONE WAY FARES SINGLE/DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOT PERMITTED. END-ON-END PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA POINT OF COMBINATION. ADD-ONS PERMITTED.
SURCHARGES NONE BETWEEN SOUTHEAST ASIA AND CANADA
SALES RESTRICTIONS UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED BY ELECTRONIC TICKETING. NOTE - EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY FOR MEDICAL REASONS IS NOT PERMITTED UNDER GUIDELINES STATED IN RULE 65 /D/. UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED NOTE - EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY PERMITTED UNDER GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY CARRIER. CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.
PENALTIES BETWEEN CANADA AND CHINA FOR U- TYPE FARES CANCELLATIONS ANY TIME CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED. CHANGES ANY TIME CHANGES PERMITTED.
TICKET ENDORSEMENT UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED THE ORIGINAL TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED - VALID AC ONLY - IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.
CHILDREN DISCOUNTS UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED NOTE - GENERAL RULE DOES NOT APPLY ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH OR - 1ST INFANT UNDER 2 WITHOUT A SEAT - CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITH A SEAT - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE OR - UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 5-11 - NO DISCOUNT.
TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS NONE UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
AGENT DISCOUNTS NONE UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS NONE UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED NOTE - THE CHARGE FOR LOST TICKETS IS AS FOLLOWS-- USD 75.00 CAD 100.00 EUR 100.00
VOLUNTARY CHANGES FOR U- TYPE FARES IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TKT VALIDITY CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF AC INTERNATIONAL FARES NO CHARGE OR HIGHEST FEE OF ANY FARE COMPONENT WITHIN JOURNEY - CATEGORY 19 DISCOUNT APPLIES AND REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. AC FARES ARE USED 2. PRIVATE TARIFFS ARE INCLUDED 3. VALIDATE ADVANCE RES REQUIREMENTS WHEN BOOKING DATE KNOWN 4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT REFUND VIA ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS. OR - AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TKT VALIDITY CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF AC INTERNATIONAL FARES NO CHARGE OR HIGHEST FEE OF ANY FARE COMPONENT WITHIN JOURNEY - CATEGORY 19 DISCOUNT APPLIES AND REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT 2. AC FARES ARE USED 3. PRIVATE TARIFFS ARE INCLUDED 4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET 5. VALIDATE ADVANCE RES REQUIREMENTS WHEN BOOKING DATE KNOWN 6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT REFUND VIA ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS.

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I use a consolidator to make these bookings where I get clear fare rules. Air Canada's site has gotten worse not better on display of fare rules.

International (YVR-NRT) P Class Crediting to other FFPs?
 

Anyone find any Star Alliance FFPs that are willing to take International P Class fares?

Called AC. Ticket I am looking at is U fare from YYZ-HKG and M fare on SQ from HKG to SIN. Ticket is refundable less a $200 penalty. There is a $50 change fee plus any fare difference for a change. Oh, and I noted the agent's name I spoke to since we all know the story can change depending on who you talk to!

Thanks MG for the update. I had been wondering about the same thing. :)

I feel much better now.

On the AC website is shows that R&R gets 100% of the mileage http://www.aircanada.com/shared/en/a...etypes_rr.html

Has something changed recently? Just curious before I buy my ticket.

The AC website is right. There has been some changes in the booking class information. Could Andrew please update this sticky?

So according to the new rules, if I book a tourist class ticket (i.e. N, K, etc) to UK or Europe, I get 100% status miles for the international leg and 25% non status miles for Canadian and transboarder?

Correct.

I'm confused.

I've booked YYZ-TXL via FRA. I'm on a K class ticket. From comments above it seems that I should earn 100% status miles. However, on the AC website it says:

How can a K class ticket earn 100% status miles, but "Aeroplan Miles do not qualify for Air Canada Top Tier Status."?