Dec 31, 2018, 5:37 pm
Last edit by: tcook052
This new annual thread has been carved out of the previous thread in an effort to reduce the number of megathreads on the AC forum. For those interested previous versions are the original 2004 - 2014 thread , 2015 edition, 2016 edition , 2017 edition and 2018 edition.
The original thread started by accident but quickly became a popular place to come and discuss off topic things such as hockey, new movies, or almost anything that wouldn't fit into existing AC forum threads. Air Canada or Aeroplan topics such as flight feedback, in-flight services issues, status or mileage earning/redemption are all topics that should go into existing AC forum threads so others can benefit from this information. Topics about hotels or airlines and/or their loyalty programs, destinations, in-flight travel tech. or anything best discussed elsewhere on FT may be relocated to that forum as this thread isn't meant to import travel topics to this forum that are better discussed on other forums. FT is an amazingly diverse and large community so members are encouraged to seek out all of its resources.
While the conversation is more relaxed as it would be in a lounge that doesn't mean however that the FT rules don't apply here as they definitely do so please refrain from controversial topics such as politics or religion, avoid profanities and treat other lounge patrons with the same respect you expect.
tcook052
Air Canada forum moderator
The original thread started by accident but quickly became a popular place to come and discuss off topic things such as hockey, new movies, or almost anything that wouldn't fit into existing AC forum threads. Air Canada or Aeroplan topics such as flight feedback, in-flight services issues, status or mileage earning/redemption are all topics that should go into existing AC forum threads so others can benefit from this information. Topics about hotels or airlines and/or their loyalty programs, destinations, in-flight travel tech. or anything best discussed elsewhere on FT may be relocated to that forum as this thread isn't meant to import travel topics to this forum that are better discussed on other forums. FT is an amazingly diverse and large community so members are encouraged to seek out all of its resources.
While the conversation is more relaxed as it would be in a lounge that doesn't mean however that the FT rules don't apply here as they definitely do so please refrain from controversial topics such as politics or religion, avoid profanities and treat other lounge patrons with the same respect you expect.
tcook052
Air Canada forum moderator
The Forum Lounge Thread (2019)
Jan 29, 2019, 6:02 pm
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@Cow: stick it out 3-4Q's. There are going to be a bunch of geeks with $190*[a bunch] flush with real cash and not just theoretical value. At least some will also be angry.
Hell of a startup breeding ground.
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Jan 29, 2019, 9:39 pm
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Had to fax something important today to a client staying in a Berlin hotel and being a Deadmau5 fan I couldn't help but chuckle.
Jan 29, 2019, 9:45 pm
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Jan 29, 2019, 10:03 pm
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I know but it wasn't something they were willing to trust to email so went old school. Had to ask someone how to use the fax feature on the office scanner/copier/fax machine as hadn't used it in ages.
Jan 29, 2019, 10:09 pm
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Had to fax some dentist stuff to Manulife a few years back. Crazy. Same company used to shut down every night, or was it just weekends, can’t recall but happy to have moved on.
Anyone who doesn’t have a secure online portal setup to accept these things ... well it would concern me.
Anyone who doesn’t have a secure online portal setup to accept these things ... well it would concern me.
Jan 29, 2019, 10:16 pm
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I can honestly say I would have no earthly idea how to send a fax from any of the dozen machines around my office. Also, I work from home most of the time when I'm in country and I don't even have a printer let alone the ability to fax.
If I'm in the office and have to send a fax I'll be that dirtbag going to the receptionist and saying "Um, hi. Can you please help me?" like I'm somehow more important.
Ugh. I really hope nobody ever asks me to fax them something!
If I'm in the office and have to send a fax I'll be that dirtbag going to the receptionist and saying "Um, hi. Can you please help me?" like I'm somehow more important.
Ugh. I really hope nobody ever asks me to fax them something!
Jan 29, 2019, 10:54 pm
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I can honestly say I would have no earthly idea how to send a fax from any of the dozen machines around my office. Also, I work from home most of the time when I'm in country and I don't even have a printer let alone the ability to fax.
If I'm in the office and have to send a fax I'll be that dirtbag going to the receptionist and saying "Um, hi. Can you please help me?" like I'm somehow more important.
Ugh. I really hope nobody ever asks me to fax them something!
If I'm in the office and have to send a fax I'll be that dirtbag going to the receptionist and saying "Um, hi. Can you please help me?" like I'm somehow more important.
Ugh. I really hope nobody ever asks me to fax them something!
Jan 29, 2019, 11:20 pm
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Mmmmm 
Jan 29, 2019, 11:48 pm
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Aren't most emails sent over secure lines?
Aren't most faxes... not?
It wouldn't be "easy" to intercept either, but it would be much easier for a malicious entity to intercept a fax than an email.
Aren't most faxes... not?
It wouldn't be "easy" to intercept either, but it would be much easier for a malicious entity to intercept a fax than an email.
Jan 30, 2019, 12:30 am
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If a fax is required, I can send/receive fax through my VOIP provider. Just upload a pdf and and send it to a fax number. If someone faxes me, I get an email with a pdf...
Jan 30, 2019, 8:08 am
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Jan 30, 2019, 8:14 am
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Found this at my desk
Jan 30, 2019, 8:27 am
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We still receive multiple POs daily from various customer who insist on faxing stuff. They go through our Canon printer/copier/scanner and somehow we receive them as PDF through email, just like you describe.
Jan 30, 2019, 9:19 am
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Medical profession still loves fax as they don't have to use a paid email encryption product such as Zixmail. even if a fax later gets scanned and posted online, the provider did their due dilligence and complied with US HIPPA laws during the transmission stage.
Yet they complain when they hear that their fax machine works best on an old analog POTS line vs the new cheaper SIP lines. SIP calls are almost always recorded so it would be super easy to replay a bunch of calls to a fax device and get copies made.
(I realized a while ago that entering a CC# can also be replayed which is why Aeroplan "secures the line" by pausing call recording....though I guess they may have miiions of unencrypted calls that all start out with an Aeroplan number and PIN sitting around on a 286 server.
Most emails are sent unencrypted with only partial in-transit encryption. They are then assumed to be saved forever by the sending or recipient server, company, and backup retenton policies. In addition to someone clicking on malware getting their entire company and emails exposed to a hacker, things contained in emails are easier to be caught in a blanket subpoena, and easier to be accessed without permission by coworkers/IT folks with backup/restore rights.
Jan 30, 2019, 11:25 am
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I recall faxes were a godsend for deaf people communicating back in the day. Can type all at once instead of 45.5 baud TTY speed.
However, security of a fax depends on DIALLING it correctly, which I have done wrong at least once (curse you, speed dial) but also
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...rticle1144689/
However, security of a fax depends on DIALLING it correctly, which I have done wrong at least once (curse you, speed dial) but also
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...rticle1144689/