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Old Nov 19, 2015, 2:24 pm
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Originally Posted by yuubah
So my sister, her husband and their 2 kids were travelling overseas on an Air Canada flight from YYC-NRT. His company paid for 3 business class seats, and one child sat on their lap. Around half way through the flight, the kids started crying and making a fuss (yes we know how annoying that can be), so the flight attendant told them they all needed to leave and move to economy. Now I'm not sure exactly how long the kids were crying for, so I can't comment on that. So all 4 of them left their business seats, and spent the rest of the flight in coach.

I think that's completely out of line, is that even allowed? Shouldn't they be compensated for losing their business seats at least?? If you pay $3000 per seat, shouldn't you get a refund if they ask you to leave? They offered them no compensation, no voucher or anything.

I'm worried because we'll be travelling with my kid to visit them next year, and what if my kid starts making a fuss, will we get kicked out of business too? is this a new policy?
Not sure how I missed this thread...

But NO, it is not out of line. If the kid is annoying the J cabin, then I'm with the FA. If a parent wants their kids in J, and they behave well, fine, pay for the seat and be done with it. Some FTers have very well behaved kids, and so I don't have an issue with it.

So no, that person should not get any comp, no voucher or anything. If the kids are annoying little brats who scream till death to us part, then please, sit at the back of the plane. My parents did that if we HAD to travel (funeral or whatever), otherwise they kept me out of a plane until I was old enough.

(Yes, I realize I have strong views on this and I probably just annoyed 50% of the readers on here (or more!))
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 2:30 pm
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Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
Not sure how I missed this thread...

But NO, it is not out of line.
It would be interesting to learn if the tariffs support this kind of punishment
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 2:33 pm
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Originally Posted by ffsim
It would be interesting to learn if the tariffs support this kind of punishment
Well, technically, I'd be looking at provisions under the Aeronautics Act.

The kid is an unruly passenger, so if we go down this road....being kicked to Y is by far the best outcome.
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 2:35 pm
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Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
Well, technically, I'd be looking at provisions under the Aeronautics Act.

The kid is an unruly passenger, so if we go down this road....being kicked to Y is by far the best outcome.

Usually for unruly passengers you call Homeland Security or Air Force 1, and not push them to the Y cabin. What if the paying passengers in the Y cabin complain? Something is amiss here.
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 2:37 pm
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Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
If the kids are annoying little brats who scream till death to us part, then please, sit at the back of the plane.
The kid in question is <2 years old - I doubt they were crying to be an "annoying brat"

I wonder if you'd be singing a different tune if this was something that you are more familiar with. Lets say an annoying drunken pax or two on a work trip, who was/were being loud in J, reseated to Y.

One had a choice in behaviour, the other one was a baby.
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 2:39 pm
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Originally Posted by ffsim
I'm trying real hard here, but I can't think of *any* instance where J pax should be 'exiled' from the J cabin that doesn't involve some sort of restraint, diversion or law enforcement intervention.
Not having all the details, the only thing that makes sense is the suggestion by other posters that a child in a pod could not be controlled - getting up during turbulence, service, etc. My kids are older now, but I can see how it might have been challenging to keep them still in J. We always flew Y with them until they were older where we could keep them contained to our row (and stop them from kicking the seats in front of them).

Now that they are older, they appreciate J more anyway
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 2:50 pm
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Originally Posted by rankourabu
The kid in question is <2 years old - I doubt they were crying to be an "annoying brat"

I wonder if you'd be singing a different tune if this was something that you are more familiar with. Lets say an annoying drunken pax or two on a work trip, who was/were being loud in J, reseated to Y.

One had a choice in behaviour, the other one was a baby.

Interesting that you mention adult vs child behaviour.....

Compare drunk adults who might be out of control despite being adults, to a toddler who has yet to develop the adult concept of control.

And yes, would crew move a paid J adult pax to Y for unruly behaviour?

(hmmmm.....unplanned diversion or duck tape?)
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 2:51 pm
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Originally Posted by rankourabu
The kid in question is <2 years old -
We don't know the ages of the children, never stated, only statement was

His company paid for 3 business class seats, and one child sat on their lap
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 2:57 pm
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Originally Posted by xLuther
We don't know the ages of the children, never stated, only statement was

His company paid for 3 business class seats, and one child sat on their lap
Maybe that's why they got moved in the first place. But a non lap infant travelling as a lap infant would be a stowaway! I would imagine that the document check would catch that scenario though.

Anyway more details would be great. Too bad we can't hear AC's side of the story.
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 3:03 pm
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Most likely scenario, youngest was clearly over 2, FA/SD allowed them as long as they controlled kids. When they did not they put them into 4 seats in Y

They tried to get a free seat and got busted in end because they annoyed everyone around them.

Just my WAG, but since story is so vague going with this one.
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 3:12 pm
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Originally Posted by rankourabu
The kid in question is <2 years old - I doubt they were crying to be an "annoying brat"

I wonder if you'd be singing a different tune if this was something that you are more familiar with. Lets say an annoying drunken pax or two on a work trip, who was/were being loud in J, reseated to Y.

One had a choice in behaviour, the other one was a baby.
AC would not move a unruly drunken pax out of J. Instead, they would landed the plane somewhere and have him removed. Along with this, charges and the cost of landing the plane.

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Old Nov 19, 2015, 3:15 pm
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Originally Posted by xLuther
Most likely scenario, youngest was clearly over 2, FA/SD allowed them as long as they controlled kids. When they did not they put them into 4 seats in Y

They tried to get a free seat and got busted in end because they annoyed everyone around them.

Just my WAG, but since story is so vague going with this one.
how do you come up with a free seat?

OP said

3 PAID business tickets - purchased by company for a overseas relocation

4 people travelling
1- Mom - Paid J seat
1- Dad - paid J seat
1 child 2+ - presumably over the age of 2- due to 3rd Paid J seat
1 child - lap infant presumably under the age of 2.

I would like to hear the FA side. But if AC will not remove a drunk in J who is loud and obnoxious then they should not remove a crying child (and no I am not a parent, so no bias there)
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 3:15 pm
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There is more to this story for sure.
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 3:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Nitehawk
Maybe that's why they got moved in the first place. But a non lap infant travelling as a lap infant would be a stowaway! I would imagine that the document check would catch that scenario though.
Don't need a passport until age 16. Kids over 2 travelling as a infant is a common problem. Parents love to lie about kids age to the save money.
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Old Nov 19, 2015, 3:19 pm
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Originally Posted by Wpgjetse
Don't need a passport until age 16. Kids over 2 travelling as a infant is a common problem. Parents love to lie about kids age to the save money.
There is no passport needed for a kid to fly to Japan until 16?
What are you smoking?
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