Sep 19, 2017, 10:25 am
Last edit by: 24left
Jan 18 2021 TC issues Airworthiness Directive for the 737 MAX
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Air Canada Selects Boeing 737 MAX to Renew Mainline Narrowbody Fleet
Oct 22, 2019, 4:35 pm
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Essential to whom? If AC cancels EYW, then that will free up 20% global seat capacity overnight /s
But seriously, "uneconomical" aircraft become economical; uneconomical refurbs become economical (until hull death). And prices go up, reducing demand.
The Airbus' that do roll off the production will fly at 2am to allow low price capacity.
It would be nice if there wasn't a monopoly on 150-200 seat aircraft, but when one option of the duopoly murders the passengers, I'm not sure the economic better option is better.
But seriously, "uneconomical" aircraft become economical; uneconomical refurbs become economical (until hull death). And prices go up, reducing demand.
The Airbus' that do roll off the production will fly at 2am to allow low price capacity.
It would be nice if there wasn't a monopoly on 150-200 seat aircraft, but when one option of the duopoly murders the passengers, I'm not sure the economic better option is better.
Oct 22, 2019, 4:44 pm
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Essential to whom? If AC cancels EYW, then that will free up 20% global seat capacity overnight /s
But seriously, "uneconomical" aircraft become economical; uneconomical refurbs become economical (until hull death). And prices go up, reducing demand.
The Airbus' that do roll off the production will fly at 2am to allow low price capacity.
It would be nice if there wasn't a monopoly on 150-200 seat aircraft, but when one option of the duopoly murders the passengers, I'm not sure the economic better option is better.
But seriously, "uneconomical" aircraft become economical; uneconomical refurbs become economical (until hull death). And prices go up, reducing demand.
The Airbus' that do roll off the production will fly at 2am to allow low price capacity.
It would be nice if there wasn't a monopoly on 150-200 seat aircraft, but when one option of the duopoly murders the passengers, I'm not sure the economic better option is better.
Oct 22, 2019, 6:07 pm
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And if airlines face constraints on 150-200 seat aircraft, they can adapt their schedules to fly bigger birds less frequently. JL and NH used to fly high density 747s on flights of < 2 hours because of airport capacity constraints. I would be happy to fly AC 777s and 787s on less frequent schedules with the same capacity between YVR and points east.
Oct 23, 2019, 4:15 am
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Oct 23, 2019, 4:19 am
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+1. Only place we really need 150-200 seat aircraft are routes flying to/from airports can not handle larger aircrafts, or routes with low demand. In other words, the demand is somewhat elastic. Once airlines realize that there will be a shortage of such aircrafts for a long time, I am sure they will adapt accordingly.
A time just after the Canadian and AC merger where they ran the 767-300 between Vancouver and Ottawa for the morning and evening flight. The noon flight was a DC-9 with a stop in Winnipeg. Lots of routes like this were there are alternatives to what is a steady A320 and 737 route.
Oct 23, 2019, 6:55 am
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https://www.perell.com/blog/boeing-737-max
Interesting read on corporate culture of McDonnell-Douglas causing the 737 Max problems.
Interesting read on corporate culture of McDonnell-Douglas causing the 737 Max problems.
Oct 23, 2019, 7:17 am
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Oct 23, 2019, 9:00 am
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I know Boeing doesn't manufacture simulators, but presumably for a prototype aircraft Boeing is the only people who know how it flies and can determine it's characteristics, that isn't something CAE can independently determine. CAE had to rely on data from Boeing as a minimum, and if Boeing supplied wrong or inaccurate information then the sim won't reflect reality. Either way, a sim isn't much use if it has errors and doesn't behave as the actual airplane does.
Oct 23, 2019, 9:12 am
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I know Boeing doesn't manufacture simulators, but presumably for a prototype aircraft Boeing is the only people who know how it flies and can determine it's characteristics, that isn't something CAE can independently determine. CAE had to rely on data from Boeing as a minimum, and if Boeing supplied wrong or inaccurate information then the sim won't reflect reality. Either way, a sim isn't much use if it has errors and doesn't behave as the actual airplane does.
Oct 23, 2019, 12:05 pm
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Oct 23, 2019, 2:24 pm
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EDIT TO ADD:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1X22H0
QUOTES:
"The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) must work to restore “public confidence” in aircraft certification efforts after two deadly Boeing 737 MAX crashes, the U.S. Transportation Department’s inspector general said on Wednesday in a report seen by Reuters.
......The report, dated Oct. 23 but not yet publicly released, said the FAA faces a “significant oversight challenge” to ensure that companies conducting those tasks “maintain high standards and comply with FAA safety regulations.”
Also, you know, the AC livery really stands out in a flock.
Last edited by 24left; Oct 23, 2019 at 2:34 pm
Oct 23, 2019, 10:05 pm
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Boeing earnings call: still hopes for 4Q recertification
DOWNLOADOct. 23, 2019, © Leeham News: Boeing reaffirmed its belief that the Federal Aviation Administration will authorize a return to service for the grounded 737 MAX this quarter.