"If I ran FlyerTalk..."
Jul 23, 2016, 9:24 am
#91
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Two reasons I participate FAR less.
1) Moderation has become terrible - locking threads, merging threads, deleting posts - and discussing or disagreeing with any of it can get you suspended - feels like North Korea
2) Too many irrelevant posts by some members which clog up otherwise good discussions - rate limit posts
1) Moderation has become terrible - locking threads, merging threads, deleting posts - and discussing or disagreeing with any of it can get you suspended - feels like North Korea
2) Too many irrelevant posts by some members which clog up otherwise good discussions - rate limit posts
Jul 23, 2016, 9:38 am
#92
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I agree with the general sentiment here, but OP status seems like a pretty poor proxy for overall helpfulness/value to the community. Plenty of people add value not by starting threads, but rather by providing useful replies, maintaining wikis, etc. Others have suggested upthread the idea of liking or up/downvoting posts, which seems like a better metric.
I think we are talking about two different types of value -- "discussion starters" and "helpfulness". Communities need both, so it would be great if FT could recognize both....just as FT recognizes longevity and high post counts.
It seems to me that counting replies to recognize "discussion starters" is something that could be done using data FT already has, while measuring "helpfulness" would require implementing a new mechanism (such as a "like" button).
Jul 23, 2016, 10:09 am
#93
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If I ran FlyerTalk, I would make it possible to upload pics directly rather than via third party site.
Jul 23, 2016, 10:10 am
#94
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Two reasons I participate FAR less.
1) Moderation has become terrible - locking threads, merging threads, deleting posts - and discussing or disagreeing with any of it can get you suspended - feels like North Korea
2) Too many irrelevant posts by some members which clog up otherwise good discussions - rate limit posts
1) Moderation has become terrible - locking threads, merging threads, deleting posts - and discussing or disagreeing with any of it can get you suspended - feels like North Korea
2) Too many irrelevant posts by some members which clog up otherwise good discussions - rate limit posts
Jul 23, 2016, 11:24 am
#96
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New threads about a real time issue (example "flight 106 cancelled") that lack a date should either be deleted or have the date added to the title. This is the kind of proactive moderation that we need more of.
Jul 23, 2016, 12:55 pm
#97
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Jul 23, 2016, 2:28 pm
#98
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This mobile site flat out sucks
Also as one who uses good omni daily
I would get rid of both good Omni and bad omni
I enjoy good omni
I think bad omni makes normally good FTers idiots when they venture into bad omni
However they both do nothing for FT
Add me to the list
Moderation needs to be fixed
I'm not sure of the solution but what we're doing now is not working
Last edited by TrojanHorse; Jul 23, 2016 at 2:35 pm
Jul 24, 2016, 12:52 am
#99
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This post will get me banned.
- Stop banning or suspending people for what they say. There's an ignore button, people here should use it. If that is too onerous for the snow flakes that are easily offended, then give mods the ability to censor a specific post, a specific user in a thread, or specific user in a forum, and given other users the power to read that which is censored. Just because a mod doesn't like what a user has to say, doesn't mean many more of us don't. It is so sad that the longer one is a user of FT, how inevitable it is that the user will get banned. Many users with great insights and thousands of posts are banned. Just look for old threads. They are filled with users who were banned years after they made great contributions.
- Fix the issue of searching for three letter words. At least fix it so that official third letter airport codes and two letter airline codes.
- Related to the above, automatically create links for three letter words that are known official airport codes and two letter words that are known official airline codes.
- Have a mistake fare forum that requires a high bar to entry, ala OMNI.
- Relax restrictions on what can be posted in coupon connection and root out the snitches. So AA is monitoring CC? Why should we care if people who make AA trades get their AA accounts frozen or deleted. Meanwhile get the AA snitches out of CC and out of FT.
- Allow us to create polls without mod approval.
- Allow us to create forums without talkboard approval.
- When creating a thread, scan the initial post for URLs and if those URLs appear in the initial post of any other thread, then, don't allow the thread to be created, and offer to redirect the thread creator to the existing thread.
Last edited by mre5765; Jul 24, 2016 at 1:58 am
Jul 24, 2016, 8:18 am
#100
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Community moderation
I think the main purpose of FT is to share actionable information and intel. IMO far too often we have to weed through multiple posts of uninformed opinion, unqualified guessing, off-topic banter, and outright snark to get to anything useful.
There really needs to be a quality control identifier somehow built into Flyertalk. Maybe have a like/dislike button so individual posts with low community feedback can be hidden unless selected (a community activated ignore so to speak.) Only registered FTer's with xxx posts or time as members would qualify for this function.
SL
There really needs to be a quality control identifier somehow built into Flyertalk. Maybe have a like/dislike button so individual posts with low community feedback can be hidden unless selected (a community activated ignore so to speak.) Only registered FTer's with xxx posts or time as members would qualify for this function.
SL
Jul 24, 2016, 8:48 am
#101
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I would make much easier to introduce pictures in the post just by copy/paste pictures
I would make a home page based on my specific interests
I would have the ability to see topics I might be interested in
Il would see notifications/comments about my posts
I would rate people based on the quality of the posts, rated by others (likes).
I would have a press review on hotels/Airlines reviews
I would add a world map I could click on to see comments about hotels located in a specific area
I would make a home page based on my specific interests
I would have the ability to see topics I might be interested in
Il would see notifications/comments about my posts
I would rate people based on the quality of the posts, rated by others (likes).
I would have a press review on hotels/Airlines reviews
I would add a world map I could click on to see comments about hotels located in a specific area
Last edited by nicolas75; Jul 24, 2016 at 8:53 am
Jul 24, 2016, 8:53 am
#102
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Jul 24, 2016, 8:57 am
#103
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Jul 24, 2016, 8:59 am
#104
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By the way, I love FT and the fact that it is low tech/not perfect is certainly part of its charm.
You never feel being part of a huge big money maker but rather a real community.
Hope this dimension would never change.
You never feel being part of a huge big money maker but rather a real community.
Hope this dimension would never change.
Jul 24, 2016, 9:16 am
#105
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I'm rather surprised by the number of comments regarding moderation because I can't say I've personally ever had an issue with moderation. So I don't have any insight to the possible problem, but this strikes me as an excellent suggestion.
Two issues have been repeatedly mentioned in this thread: TalkBoard and moderation.
Speaking as a former member of TalkBoard, I can confirm what Aristotle said: Nature abhors a vacuum. We established a member-elected governing board and gave it almost no authority. It can only recommend the establishment of new forums and establish rules which only apply to itself.
Hence, the TB members fill the vacuum by having silly fights about meaningless internal issues. FTers see this, find TB to be a joke, better FTers don't want to serve on it and not only are there fewer and fewer candidates each year but there are less people voting for TB.
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I would suggest putting TalkBoard in charge of moderation, allowing it to establish the rules under which moderators work, and giving it authority to fire mods and appoint new ones.
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Speaking as a former member of TalkBoard, I can confirm what Aristotle said: Nature abhors a vacuum. We established a member-elected governing board and gave it almost no authority. It can only recommend the establishment of new forums and establish rules which only apply to itself.
Hence, the TB members fill the vacuum by having silly fights about meaningless internal issues. FTers see this, find TB to be a joke, better FTers don't want to serve on it and not only are there fewer and fewer candidates each year but there are less people voting for TB.
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I would suggest putting TalkBoard in charge of moderation, allowing it to establish the rules under which moderators work, and giving it authority to fire mods and appoint new ones.
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