Fall 2008 Catering Changes at UA
#46
Join Date: Oct 2007
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By the way I don't consider the tatl flights from IAD to Europe not as short. They might be shorter than trans-pacific flights but still one free meal service should be possible. Especially when your competitors on these routes are European, Middle East and Asian airlines. Maybe UA can pull off this service enhancements on trans-con flights unpunished where the competitors are US, DL, AA etc. but not on tatl flights.
#47
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: SFO
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This is a joke right?
Knowing this, why would anyone book a flight on United? The majority of my travel overseas is leisure. I suppose the bright side is for a few months before they go belly up planes will be empty!
KS
KS
#48
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: SEA/YVR/BLI
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We flew FRA-SFO in C yesterday and I was surprised to hear a mid-flight snack being touted as available back in Y for $3. Probably been discussed on FT and around for awhile but new to us.
A foreshadowing of reading the info presented. Telling, isn't it, that some here suspect it's bogus or a parody? How soon before truth overcomes fiction and there'll be pay toilets?
A foreshadowing of reading the info presented. Telling, isn't it, that some here suspect it's bogus or a parody? How soon before truth overcomes fiction and there'll be pay toilets?
#49
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: London. Edinburgh, Cornwall
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Originally Posted by UA memo
Replacing complimentary meals in UE with BOB fresh and snack box
offerings.
offerings.
What about those customers who bought an economy ticket expecting full (ie normal) service? I notice the website now says "we offer complimentary meals on most flights between the US and Europe" but there must have been customers who bought before that was changed.
#50
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: DC
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I'm gonna get a bunch of folks ganging up on me for this, but:
Really, now, food service at 30,000 feet is a very inefficient way of keeping folks fed and watered. It is a very costly way to feed people and the contraints of a galley tend to result in a pretty poor product. Moreover, the FA labor cost associated with serving is exhorbitant compared to sea level options. Even my experiences in TATL and Trans-Pac business class have been unsatisfactory. (Never able to get red meat that is not totally cooked through).
Of course, anything can be had at 30,000 for a price. And I don't want to pay that price. And I don't want the cost of a miserable 30,000 E tv meal in a tin inherently incorporated into my ticket price. I'd truly rather have a full, enjoyable, meal at the airport and forego the airline slop altogether, if it ends up reflected in ticket prices (which I presume it does in some way, shape, or form).
Simply, I suggest that the food service business at 30,000 feet is not one airlines should be in in the general sense. BOB allows one to sate one's hunger at a price that reflects the cost of delivery of the service. And yes, it is a bit expensive, and the carriers are successfully shifting my eating decisions out of the air and back onto land, where it belongs.
I also suggest that, on balance, most pax would prefer better AVOD and in flight internet to free, low caliber meals and snacks. (Please note this, Mr. Tilton)
I am, however, troubled that UAL is once again a pioneer in the race to the bottom. This portends for other service "enhancements" to come.
Really, now, food service at 30,000 feet is a very inefficient way of keeping folks fed and watered. It is a very costly way to feed people and the contraints of a galley tend to result in a pretty poor product. Moreover, the FA labor cost associated with serving is exhorbitant compared to sea level options. Even my experiences in TATL and Trans-Pac business class have been unsatisfactory. (Never able to get red meat that is not totally cooked through).
Of course, anything can be had at 30,000 for a price. And I don't want to pay that price. And I don't want the cost of a miserable 30,000 E tv meal in a tin inherently incorporated into my ticket price. I'd truly rather have a full, enjoyable, meal at the airport and forego the airline slop altogether, if it ends up reflected in ticket prices (which I presume it does in some way, shape, or form).
Simply, I suggest that the food service business at 30,000 feet is not one airlines should be in in the general sense. BOB allows one to sate one's hunger at a price that reflects the cost of delivery of the service. And yes, it is a bit expensive, and the carriers are successfully shifting my eating decisions out of the air and back onto land, where it belongs.
I also suggest that, on balance, most pax would prefer better AVOD and in flight internet to free, low caliber meals and snacks. (Please note this, Mr. Tilton)
I am, however, troubled that UAL is once again a pioneer in the race to the bottom. This portends for other service "enhancements" to come.
#51
Join Date: Jul 2005
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OK, so maybe BOB will be free in 3 class C, but can you imagine what the cabin will smell like if everyone chooses the BOB with the can of tuna and the humus?
#52
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So tacky.
If I wanted tacky, I can do that on the cheap. Thankfully, AA and DL haven't been 'taking the pot' and coming up with such tacky ideas.
Terrible move, UA. 500 mile minimums gone, now this. Guess who won't be looking for any kind of status match.
If I wanted tacky, I can do that on the cheap. Thankfully, AA and DL haven't been 'taking the pot' and coming up with such tacky ideas.
Terrible move, UA. 500 mile minimums gone, now this. Guess who won't be looking for any kind of status match.
#53
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1
United BOB Trans-Atlantic
Send a message to United that coach passengers are valuable customers too! I have just cancelled my Mileage Plus credit card (and explained to the Chase representative that I was cancelling my card in protest of this latest insult) and will not be flying UA any longer. If enough of us complain about United's total abandonment of service to coach passengers and take our business elsewhere, perhaps we can convince UA that they need to re-examine this foolish new policy.
#54
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#55
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#56
Join Date: Aug 2001
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1. It will not result in a drop in ticket prices - it's just a rip-off
2. In the case of IAD, you're proposing up to 12 hours between meals depending on block time, boarding and delays.
#57
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I am truly stunned by this.
The end is nigh.
The end is nigh.
#58
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Not to troll and bait folks, but maybe the topic title (mods?) should be "Transatlantic Meal Service (ex-IAD only) in Y ... ". Got a feeling that a number of people will (er... already have) bulk bypass the data points in first post and proceed straight to "will my SFO - FRA non-stop not have a meal?!" type posts.
#59
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Chicago
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"Fuel is expensive. So get out your wallets. And don't forget--research has shown that you want this." What a brazen insult to our intelligence. What a joke of an airline.
#60
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: NTTB
Programs: UA Plat, Marriott Plat
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Eliminate Second Service in p.s. Market
• Removing the pre-arrival snack service and replacing with a beverage service
in response to flight attendant and customer feedback.
• Removing the pre-arrival snack service and replacing with a beverage service
in response to flight attendant and customer feedback.