2011 Mileage Plus and OnePass elite program developments
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You could probably just pick one now and post all your flight-based EQMs to that and achieve the same. Where this might be useful is non-flight-based EQMs (such as Choices, Chase VISA EQMs, ...)
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Originally Posted by MBS PremExec
Folks, I have always found it best to write snail-mail to a VP (in this case VP of Mileage Plus). You receive a snail-mail letter in return from someone in their office.
I think this would be more effective than writing 1K or 1P voice. It's certainly what I'm going to do. It takes a few more minutes and costs $0.44 cents (or what, I don't know, what does it cost to mail a letter these days). But I have confidence in my voice actually being heard when I do the snail mail.
Good idea. Does anyone have the name and address handy?
Originally Posted by MBS PremExec
Folks, I have always found it best to write snail-mail to a VP (in this case VP of Mileage Plus). You receive a snail-mail letter in return from someone in their office.
I think this would be more effective than writing 1K or 1P voice. It's certainly what I'm going to do. It takes a few more minutes and costs $0.44 cents (or what, I don't know, what does it cost to mail a letter these days). But I have confidence in my voice actually being heard when I do the snail mail.
Good idea. Does anyone have the name and address handy?
Executive Vice President and President, Mileage Plus Holdings, LLC
77 West Wacker Drive
Chicago, IL 60601
Write in, people! It can't hurt!
I know there's also a PO Box to write to, but I wrote to this address for something else a few months ago and got a snail-mail letter back in about a week...But at that time it was to Graham Atkinson, not Jeff Foland.
Other execs here:
http://ir.unitedcontinentalholdings....irol-govmanage
#333
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And CO can do a limited version of the same by restricting the ZE inventory on specific segments. When I buy a TPA-ONT H-Up that includes the IAD-LAX/SFO/SAN segment that UA probably would rather sell for more money to someone else. Under CO's system I'd probably stay in Y on that segment - at least until much closer to departure - than with the UA system.
I'm not completely convinced that the CO approach ruins revenue. It mostly covers domestic markets where paid premium levels probably aren't as high. Rather than just getting minimal whY fares CO is driving incrementally higher revenue from some passengers who otherwise wouldn't be able to cover the F fare under their company's travel policies.
I'm not completely convinced that the CO approach ruins revenue. It mostly covers domestic markets where paid premium levels probably aren't as high. Rather than just getting minimal whY fares CO is driving incrementally higher revenue from some passengers who otherwise wouldn't be able to cover the F fare under their company's travel policies.
Well there are extreme examples in all scenarios. Just like when I bought a CO ticket $155 all in SMF-MEM RT B-Up and was immediately seated in F. They weren't exactly expecting to make up the difference with their first class drink charges (though we did buy one with a chit).

I think looking at it overall, most people booking an H-Up in that TPA-ONT market are probably booking TPA-DEN-ONT which was probably UA's intent.
As for CO's approach, I disagree with your assessment that it "covers domestic markets where paid premium levels probably aren't as high." The problem with the approach, IMO, is that it covers every domestic market. In fact, based on a current thread on the CO board, there appears to be somewhat of an expectation that a customer on a B-Up will get their upgrade.
That is not necessarily the case, as it's not something CO can uniformly deliver. It is also a side-effect of their approach.
Anyhow, with a larger subset of customers paying for C or F, it's going to be interesting to see how this one plays out. The fact that CO is issuing CR1s may be an indicator of how they foresee the revenue spread.
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Oh, one thing I did choke on in that announcement- 120EQS for 1K. To my way of thinking, the threshold for miles should be higher and the threshold for EQS lower, if you wanted to make it an equivalent "accomplishment" for paid flying. What are they afraid of? The cheapest way to get 1K on the EQS plan is not only painful, but costly. 60 round trips on a cheap corridor, figuring the cheapest possible flights... let's say SFO-LAX because I'm familiar with that... 60 round trips at $120 each for $7200. And that's terribly unrealistic; more likely half of the flights are going to be in the $170-$220 range. You can achieve 1K at 100k EQMs considerably cheaper than that.
I'm not liking this 120 eqs at all (and I've already written 1k voice to complain). Not that it really matters as next year I'll be 2P anyway but it looked like next year I may be able to push for 1P and hopefully 1K?
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So let me understand, you are upset because someone who has given more business to United and flown more miles than you will be given an upgrade instead of you???
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Still no email here
after all who cares. I don't really want to see it.
I knew that the merger would only bring negative with it. I have redeemed a great most of my award miles and I am ready to redeem whatever is left in my account to leave them a big Zero in it before the value goes down. I expect it will before long so why not use them now.
Everybody should protest by redeeming all of their award miles. They would have to give away all these seats without getting revenue. It would hurt them big time.
I would say to all: do like me. Redeem all your award miles on International First Class getting the most off your miles that you can!
Get the new Continited to go bust!!
Now another thing. What will happen to Million Milers. Are we going to need the 75K/year to keep our lifetime 1P?
Are they going to devalue the lifetime benefit to Silver and scrap Gold?
Are they going to scrap E+? Will 1PMMs have to pay for sitting in E+?
When will we find out?






after all who cares. I don't really want to see it.I knew that the merger would only bring negative with it. I have redeemed a great most of my award miles and I am ready to redeem whatever is left in my account to leave them a big Zero in it before the value goes down. I expect it will before long so why not use them now.
Everybody should protest by redeeming all of their award miles. They would have to give away all these seats without getting revenue. It would hurt them big time.
I would say to all: do like me. Redeem all your award miles on International First Class getting the most off your miles that you can!
Get the new Continited to go bust!!
Now another thing. What will happen to Million Milers. Are we going to need the 75K/year to keep our lifetime 1P?
Are they going to devalue the lifetime benefit to Silver and scrap Gold?
Are they going to scrap E+? Will 1PMMs have to pay for sitting in E+?
When will we find out?



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#337
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Correct, and this further proves what I've suspected in other threads - CO is small-time, smallball management. They are fixated by a domestic travel lens, while UA is very much a worldwide international airline. Nickel-diming EQS instead of seeking ways of using their international route network to greater advantage.
Reducing perks for high-mile travelers will only encourage folks to book away on high-mile travel itineraries.
The fact CO now has inspired folks to even window-shopping the competition for their next transpac is a poor result.
The 75K new pseudo elite level is too cute by a half, another silly nod to COs "legacy", a disastrous mistake.
Reducing perks for high-mile travelers will only encourage folks to book away on high-mile travel itineraries.
The fact CO now has inspired folks to even window-shopping the competition for their next transpac is a poor result.
The 75K new pseudo elite level is too cute by a half, another silly nod to COs "legacy", a disastrous mistake.
Expect more "cute" moves. The CO bean counters need some lessons because of their limited experience running world airline.

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Oh, one thing I did choke on in that announcement- 120EQS for 1K. To my way of thinking, the threshold for miles should be higher and the threshold for EQS lower, if you wanted to make it an equivalent "accomplishment" for paid flying. What are they afraid of? The cheapest way to get 1K on the EQS plan is not only painful, but costly. 60 round trips on a cheap corridor, figuring the cheapest possible flights... let's say SFO-LAX because I'm familiar with that... 60 round trips at $120 each for $7200. And that's terribly unrealistic; more likely half of the flights are going to be in the $170-$220 range. You can achieve 1K at 100k EQMs considerably cheaper than that.
The 120 EQS is more of a slap in the face because UA is telling me even though I spend more time and $ than some other 1Ks who fly 100k miles, I'm suddenly not as worthy.
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My only complaint is that I got the email, and as a former 1P, currently 2P, future non-elite, I don't see any reason to continue to strive for any of the lower level statuses. I realize I'm not in the majority, but I don't give two hoots about free flights; I want to fly in a comfortable seat at a reasonable price (the premium for F, even over full-Y, is far in excess of the increased benefit of flying F). That went down in flames when UDU was introduced and upgrades started going out willy-nilly. So far, I don't see any reason to concentrate on UA anymore except for Channel 9 (I'm not going to buy E+ access for a flight if I can't see the available seats first).
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Cheers.
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Hard to say anything that hasn't already been said. While the loss of CR1's won't affect me that much, the increase in EQS is a slap in the face.
More than anything "lost" by the change - I think it's a sign of things to come.
While I will not rush out to find a new airline of choice, should E+ disappear any time soon, there would be no reason to continue any allegiance to UAL.
More than anything "lost" by the change - I think it's a sign of things to come.
While I will not rush out to find a new airline of choice, should E+ disappear any time soon, there would be no reason to continue any allegiance to UAL.
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I'm not going back over 340+ posts to see, but can I assume United PR has run for cover and not been heard from since this trash was released?
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I have said repeatedly since CO/UA merger, that 1Ks will have nothing to gain from this merger. CO Plats will see more benefits since OnePass is not as generous to top tier flyers.
Unfortunately, this turned out to be true.
Yet many of you cheered for the merger, and said that I worry too much.
People, wake up.
At least I have warned this board.
Unfortunately, this turned out to be true.
Yet many of you cheered for the merger, and said that I worry too much.
People, wake up.
At least I have warned this board.
In my view, this is a devaluation, but not as bad as it could have been. At least 6 SWUs are staying. E+ will be the deal breaker. Until we find out about that, the rest is just detail.
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+1. It's typically more costly to hit 1K via EQS than EQM - in both $ and time. Not sure why the segment flyer is being punished. The CR-1 situation sucks too but it is what it is; everyone except the extreme 1K flyers take the hit here together.
The 120 EQS is more of a slap in the face because UA is telling me even though I spend more time and $ than some other 1Ks who fly 100k miles, I'm suddenly not as worthy.
The 120 EQS is more of a slap in the face because UA is telling me even though I spend more time and $ than some other 1Ks who fly 100k miles, I'm suddenly not as worthy.

