Two reasons: Fare class still matters in upgrade priority, and you may only have 80 'spare' points total and want to upgrade the return (or another trip). It's just going to depend - like it does today.

Sorry if this has been posted already, but I didn’t see it in the wiki and don’t have time to read through 27 pages. hoping someone can clarify if I’m understanding this right or not.

currently I have 4 RPU’s expiring this January and 4 RPU + 4 GPU expiring in 2021. Am I correct in assuming that will convert to 80 points expiring this January and 240 expiring 2021?

so if I book a long haul itinerary on a K fare flying December 24, then on December 4th I’ll be able to logon and apply 80 plus points to upgrade it, and assuming it clears that will take care of the points expiring January? Ie. The system will be available to use and ready to go on December 4th or thereabouts and no restriction on using points expiring soon?

Assuming all other factors being equal an 80 point upgrade with sub W class fare will not equally equate with a 40 point and a W (or better) fare? ( BTW, didn't see this in the wiki).

The W fare will have upgrade priority. Has nothing to do with points.

Yes.

The order of the waitlist hasn't changed. Status, then fare. The only difference is that you can now use +Ps to upgrade itineraries that would have required miles + copay before. A 1K on a W fare will be ahead of a 1K on a G fare, regardless of the instrument type.

Of course, if upgrade space is available at booking, this becomes moot.

Maybe in my feeble mind you would think the additional points "paid" for the lower class ticket would equalize the difference but not really surprised it won't. Basically all they (UA) is saying is that they now will give you the ability of booking discount economy but it will cost you more points. I guess it will come down to price difference between W and sub W and what one is willing to pay for that knowing they will still be lower on the upgrade pecking order.

Lets be absolutely clear because sometimes it iwll and sometimes it wont..

The W fare wil have upgrade priority.... for 1K.
The 1K on a K fare will have priority over a Plat on a W fare. -> as least as far as the rules are written today. Perhaps they will not?

However, the plat on the R fare will have priority over the 1K on the W (or K) fare.... -> this is becuase UG from PE (class of cabin) outweigh the status (1K vs plat) and fare basis (R vs W vs K)

Good point but I wasn't really considering PP R fare tickets which as you point out is a cabin class priority jump and would in your example trump 1K on even a W fare.

:confused: Sorry....maybe I'm confused here. If you end up with just north of 100,000, wouldn't the award be 320 points??? :confused:

Yeah, but now that they can use "global" upgrades, I'd assuming most plats would keep trying to use their 40 points on a Polaris flight. That and the fact that we can now upgrade deep-discount fares could potentially mean that all these upgrades will push all the non-revs way off the list?

Does R still have priority over W now that R only requires 30 +P?

And will all of this still apply once the flight is under gate control..?

If he/she hasn't used the two RPU's earned at 75K PQM, they would indeed have 360 PlusPoints shortly after crossing 100K PQM.

Yes, it's a higher fare class! (assuming all other factors being equal). The PlusPoints are the instrument that gives you a roll of the dice (or instant confirmation).

But wouldn't a GS on K have priority over a Plat or GM on R 30+P?

If PN opens up, sure. I did state "all other things being equal", though.

AH, you're talking about instruments expiring in Jan 2020. Yeah, that's where skipwait comes in handy. Though they use the word "from time to time" when describing it where they dont use that wording to describe PZ>0 so it makes it seem like it will be more rare than PZ>0. I would think that they would make it available the most starting Feb 1, and progressively less approaching Jan 31. Or at least jack up the price. Or they wont bother with any of that and just keep PZ=0 and let people's points expire rather than entice them to use them up

Actually, I miscounted; I'll have around 400 +Ps if I make 1K.

100K PQM = 320 +P (40 at Plat, 280 at 1K)

However, I'm limited by PQD, not PQM. If I reach $15K, I'll likely have to get to 150K PQM.