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Lux Flyer May 8, 2023 11:27 am


Originally Posted by jsloan (Post 35232905)
In many cases, it's easier to clear PlusPoints on international routes than it is on domestic routes; intercontinental business class pricing isn't using the fixed-differential-from-economy approach that has filled those seats domestically.


Originally Posted by jsloan (Post 35232947)
I haven't used PPs domestically, as my CPU rate has been quite good this year. (20/28 -- 71% -- counting one Y->PN after IRROPS). I have seen occasional PZ space close-in, but generally only on flights where my CPUs would clear anyway.

Yes though using them on domestic routes follows same trend as international. The more "sought after" routes and times are going to be the hardest to use them on. With domestic having the added factor of CPUs where from what I've seen, on flights where PlusPoints are going to be easy to use, you would probably end up getting the CPU without the PlusPoints anyways.



Originally Posted by jsloan (Post 35232905)
UA has learned to price F in a way that people are buying it.

And are only going to be continuing to get better at pricing it too as they expand continuous pricing to premium cabin fares.



Originally Posted by Kacee (Post 35232909)
I can't even recall last time I saw open PZ domestic.

Well now you can say today, for a flight over a week away to boot. Granted it's probably not a route or time you're looking to fly at. There's plenty of domestic PZ out there, but as above not necessarily on the business heavy routes or times people are trying to use it on because the same reason people want to use their PlusPoints on those flights, are the same reasons others are buying first/business outright.

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MileTrek May 9, 2023 8:45 am


Originally Posted by Lux Flyer (Post 35233477)
There's plenty of domestic PZ out there

Indeed, just used PPs for ORD-DFW in mid-June that was PZ1

Ericka May 9, 2023 9:14 am


Originally Posted by Kacee (Post 35231832)
It doesn't work that way. You can't apply PP to a flight that's post-expiration.
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So I successfully did just that with a phone agent. Reservation shows as “waitlisted”. I wonder if the rule has changed or the agent pushed it through as a favor or out of ignorance.

The expiration is coming up in July but the trip is in October. I’ll be checking back every once in a while.

jsloan May 9, 2023 9:29 am


Originally Posted by Ericka (Post 35235988)
So I successfully did just that with a phone agent. Reservation shows as “waitlisted”. I wonder if the rule has changed or the agent pushed it through as a favor or out of ignorance.

Did you have additional PlusPoints expiring beyond July? Did you earn 1K last year?

fumje May 9, 2023 12:20 pm


Originally Posted by Ericka (Post 35235988)
So I successfully did just that with a phone agent. Reservation shows as “waitlisted”. I wonder if the rule has changed or the agent pushed it through as a favor or out of ignorance.

The expiration is coming up in July but the trip is in October. I’ll be checking back every once in a while.

This may not work the way it seems you hope it will. Most likely is the pluspoints have not been deducted and will still expire in July. Then if upgrade space opens, either you won't clear because you have no useable pluspoints, or you will clear by using later-expiring ones (hence jsloan's question above).

Repooc17 May 9, 2023 10:51 pm

Have a domestic flight arriving at 820pm, and another domestic flight departing at 1145pm - all on one ticket but United wants 40 PP. I am not a math wiz but my rough calc has the layover under 4 hours, so should be 20PP all the way, no?

jsloan May 9, 2023 11:09 pm


Originally Posted by Repooc17 (Post 35237949)
Have a domestic flight arriving at 820pm, and another domestic flight departing at 1145pm - all on one ticket but United wants 40 PP. I am not a math wiz but my rough calc has the layover under 4 hours, so should be 20PP all the way, no?

Yes, unless you're returning back from whence you came.

econ May 9, 2023 11:14 pm


Originally Posted by Repooc17 (Post 35237949)
Have a domestic flight arriving at 820pm, and another domestic flight departing at 1145pm - all on one ticket but United wants 40 PP. I am not a math wiz but my rough calc has the layover under 4 hours, so should be 20PP all the way, no?

I would think so. Does it show up as one itinerary when viewing on the website (i.e. with a connection time)?

Sometimes I've had segments show up separately even though they are connecting flights (for example, if I used Multi-city to force a connection). Usually corrects itself eventually.

In either case, I'd think an agent would be able to apply 20 PP across both segments.

Repooc17 May 9, 2023 11:14 pm


Originally Posted by jsloan (Post 35237971)
Yes, unless you're returning back from whence you came.

Got it - thanks. Will ask UA to review further.

Ericka May 10, 2023 5:12 am


Originally Posted by fumje (Post 35236552)
This may not work the way it seems you hope it will. Most likely is the pluspoints have not been deducted and will still expire in July. Then if upgrade space opens, either you won't clear because you have no useable pluspoints, or you will clear by using later-expiring ones (hence jsloan's question above).

I would expect them to expire in July. And if the upgrade hasn’t cleared by then, it’s all over. But if they do happen to clear before July… that upgrade should stick, right?

I’ll report back whatever happens. Likely no PZ space anyway. :rolleyes:

jsloan May 10, 2023 9:11 am


Originally Posted by Ericka (Post 35238401)
I would expect them to expire in July. And if the upgrade hasn’t cleared by then, it’s all over. But if they do happen to clear before July… that upgrade should stick, right?

To reiterate: You're not supposed to be able to do that, and I'm not convinced that you have. If you reached 1K last year, you have PlusPoints that expire in January, 2024. If you also have some that expire in July, 2023, the website will display "expiring in July, 2023" until you go further into the detailed view. In other words, it's just showing the nearest expiration date.

Kacee May 10, 2023 9:32 am


Originally Posted by jsloan (Post 35232905)
But, most importantly, UA has learned to price F in a way that people are buying it.

Yep. Two experiences. We're able to plan well in advance for a specific SFO-PHX flight in late July. UA P fare available for $268 in F. Done. I've paid close to that for Y inside of 7 days. Second example. I'm booked in Y for next week, waitlisted with PP. Just checked the waitlist - #3 with 4 unsold seats. That's essentially a zero percent chance of clearing. One P available for upgrade at lowest differential ($149). Done. Total cost to get into F about $100 less than it would have cost either at initial purchase or right now. Now only three F seats left, all bulkhead. My guess is that maybe one GS gets upgraded.


Originally Posted by jsloan (Post 35232905)
In many cases, it's easier to clear PlusPoints on international routes than it is on domestic routes; intercontinental business class pricing isn't using the fixed-differential-from-economy approach that has filled those seats domestically.

Absolutely. I had a good run with PP on domestic during Covid but that's over. And the problem with using them on long-haul is I'm not willing to risk sitting in Y for 10+ hours.

zombietooth May 11, 2023 7:39 pm

I just switched a TYO flight to improve my UG chances. An additional 30 PPs were deducted but the original points showed up as a deduction too, not a credit. So they took an additional net 60 PPs. It's no big deal since I have so many, but I was wondering if this is a known glitch, or will the 60 pts be refunded in a few days?

Kmxu May 11, 2023 7:47 pm


Originally Posted by zombietooth (Post 35243321)
I just switched a TYO flight to improve my UG chances. An additional 30 PPs were deducted but the original points showed up as a deduction too, not a credit. So they took an additional net 60 PPs. It's no big deal since I have so many, but I was wondering if this is a known glitch, or will the 60 pts be refunded in a few days?

They are not taking your PPs at request. Your PP balance will only change when you get upgrade cleared.

zombietooth May 11, 2023 9:16 pm


Originally Posted by Kmxu (Post 35243344)
They are not taking your PPs at request. Your PP balance will only change when you get upgrade cleared.

Perhaps when they reissued the ticket, they had to re-take the PPs that had already cleared on one leg, and then adjust the refund for that leg.

Oh, I just realized that the domestic portion of my new routing cleared when PPs were applied, so that's where addition 30 pt deduction came from.


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