What is the future of Hong Kong in the United’s Asia Route Network? Alternatives?

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Sep 29, 2022, 2:12 pm

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Originally Posted by ORDnHKG

Why wouldn't UA's 777 make that without a fuel stop ??? UA can make that with it's 772 GE as well as 77W, no different than CX's 77W

One flight or not is really irrelevant to open the United club or not, it is more if they get enough contract business, I know pre covid at least LH, NH, and BR were using United club HKG as their contract lounge.

They might be able to generate more money by flying other routes.

Sep 29, 2022, 4:08 pm

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Why wouldn't UA's 777 make that without a fuel stop ??? UA can make that with it's 772 GE as well as 77W, no different than CX's 77W

Asking because during the winter AA had at times had to do fuel stops on DEL-JFK on their 77Ws after they stopped flying through Russian airspace.

CX hasn’t flown the 77W to JFK, I think, on the current routing that avoids Russian airspace- all current flights are on A350s.

CX is currently taking a 8,800 mi route from JFK-HKG. Is that within range for a 77W or a 772?

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Sep 29, 2022, 7:42 pm

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I don't think it can. That's probably only for the B787 or A350.

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Sep 29, 2022, 7:47 pm

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Originally Posted by kirkwoodj

I just got rerouted thru NRT for my trip in December, which I will cancel if any mandatory testing remains at that time.

If I were UA I might not restart the route until all this testing is eliminated or hugely reduced. I think that the trip is a tougher sell while you have the chance of being quarantined.

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Sep 29, 2022, 7:48 pm

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Asking because during the winter AA had at times had to do fuel stops on DEL-JFK on their 77Ws after they stopped flying through Russian airspace.

CX hasn’t flown the 77W to JFK, I think, on the current routing that avoids Russian airspace- all current flights are on A350s.

CX is currently taking a 8,800 mi route from JFK-HKG. Is that within range for a 77W or a 772?

That's a good point. Most of CX's 777s are currently on loan to QR.

Sep 29, 2022, 8:43 pm

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I don't think it can. That's probably only for the B787 or A350.

I looked into this some more and since CX started bypassing Russian airspace in March, there have been days even the A350 can’t make JFK-HKG nonstop and they’ve used LAX for refueling. That’s quite a long flight for the passengers!

Of course, CX needs to serve NY as part of their long haul schedule- but if UA can serve HKG from another hub (SFO), don’t see how viable EWR would be for the time being.

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Sep 29, 2022, 9:20 pm

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To true crown today belongs to the Airbus A350, but not the original version. The original Airbus A350 has an impressive range of 8,700 nautical miles (16,100 km), but for Singapore Airlines, Airbus built the Airbus A350ULR (Ultra Long Range) that can dominate distances with a range of 9,700 nautical miles (18,000 km).

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Sep 29, 2022, 10:24 pm

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I looked into this some more and since CX started bypassing Russian airspace in March, there have been days even the A350 can’t make JFK-HKG nonstop and they’ve used LAX for refueling. That’s quite a long flight for the passengers!

Of course, CX needs to serve NY as part of their long haul schedule- but if UA can serve HKG from another hub (SFO), don’t see how viable EWR would be for the time being.

Source? That's crazy if true!

Sep 30, 2022, 6:51 am

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Source? That's crazy if true!

There’s a reference to it in the CX forum (unfortunately the historical data is no longer available to view on Flightradar24):

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/34097509-post26.html

But it prompted my memory that I also saw this a few times on FlightAware a few months ago, thinking to myself, wow that must suck for passengers in Y!

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Sep 30, 2022, 7:19 am

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The 90-minute stops in Seoul to/from Shanghai (that UA and a few other airlines do) kind of suck too, but I've endured mine by convincing myself that we were still flying. Anyway, you guys are right, unlike CX, UA doesn't really need to fly NYC-HKG nonstop because it can and does sell tickets on flights between NYC and California. I guess I don't really see ORD-HKG happening soon for the same reason (Russian airspace is quite useful on Westbound flights, especially during the winter months). But, I do predict UA will try to do more than one flight to HK. If so, I'm guessing SFO would get a second flight? Or maybe give it to LAX instead (this might shut out AA)?

Sep 30, 2022, 7:54 am

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If UA wants to fill up the cabins for SFO-HKG, restart HKG-SGN or other 5th freedom routes and avoid expensive overnight parking at HKG.

Edit: If LAX-HKG is added, we will see the return of HKG-BKK. One can dream!

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Sep 30, 2022, 12:30 pm

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There is demand to/from NYC. However, most people wouldn't want to take two flights, so if UA is unable to operate the nonstop, or choose not to, then CX would be the go to, which most passengers are leaning that way anyway, given the flag carrier status.

Sep 30, 2022, 7:39 pm

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Originally Posted by Kmxu

My understanding is HKG has significantly lower the overnight fee after the 2019 unrest.

HKG-BKK and HKG-SGN are well served markets at both ends by national carriers and several LCCs in the region, so to run a large twin aisle planes will not be economically viable.

LAX-HKG has failed more time than J Lo’s marriages, so not going to happen.

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