View Poll Results: What do you think of the recent UA changes in Changes fees?
Good idea: No Domestic Change fee w/ no rebooking residual AND No Standby fee/Free SDC all elites
148
64.35%
Good idea: No Domestic Change fee w/ no rebooking residual but NOT No Standby fee/Free SDC all elite
25
10.87%
Good idea: No Standby fee/Free SDC all elite but NOT No Domestic Change fee w/ no rebooking residual
18
7.83%
Neutral /don’t care about either
30
13.04%
Don’t like / think either is a good idea
9
3.91%
Voters: 230. You may not vote on this poll
Aug 30, 2020, 2:32 pm
Last edit by: DELee
Latest Update: 23 December 2021:
"Change fees are gone" (change fee waiver): https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/notices.html#changefeesaregone
(change fee waiver) Terms and Conditions: https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/notices.html#ChangeFeeTerms
New fine print (1 April 2021)
The fine-print on the change rules:
Related Threads
AA Eliminates Many Change Fees, Other Benefits 31 Aug 2020
Delta to Eliminate Change Fees on Domestic Tickets [Consolidated Thread]
Alaska Eliminates Change Fees (9/1/2020)
UA will extend BE/International change fee waiver (In response to AA?)
"Change fees are gone" (change fee waiver): https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/notices.html#changefeesaregone
We've permanently gotten rid of change fees for most Economy and premium cabin tickets for travel within the U.S., or between the U.S. and Mexico or the Caribbean. There also won't be change fees for other international travel originating in the U.S. Learn more
For all other standard Economy and premium cabin tickets, change fees are waived through January 31, 2022. Basic Economy tickets can only be changed if they’re issued by December 31, 2021, for travel commencing by December 31, 2021. See terms and conditions
For all other standard Economy and premium cabin tickets, change fees are waived through January 31, 2022. Basic Economy tickets can only be changed if they’re issued by December 31, 2021, for travel commencing by December 31, 2021. See terms and conditions
Tickets: Applies to standard fare tickets issued between March 3, 2020, and January 31, 2022, and Basic Economy fare tickets issued between March 3, 2020, and April 30, 2021, or Basic Economy tickets issued between May 1, 2021 and December 31, 2021 for travel commencing between August 11 and December 31, 2021.
Changes/Cancellations: Customers with Basic Economy fare tickets issued between March 3, 2020, and April 30, 2021, or between May 1, 2021 and December 31, 2021 for travel commencing between August 11 and December 31, 2021, or standard fare tickets issued between March 3, 2020, and January 31, 2022, will be permitted to change without paying a change fee. If the new flight is priced higher, the customer may change for no change fee but must pay the fare difference. If the new flight is priced lower, the customer may change without paying a change fee, and standard fare tickets may be given residual value in the form of a future flight credit. If you purchased your ticket from a third-party agency, please check with the issuing agency for the rules of your ticket. Contract fares such as special bulk fares sold by travel agencies (e.g., opaque) may not be eligible for free changes. Any changes or cancellations must occur prior to ticketed travel date.
Please note: As of August 30, 2020, we no longer have change fees for most Economy and premium cabin tickets for flights within the U.S., or between the U.S. and Mexico or the Caribbean. We also no longer have change fees for international travel originating in the U.S. For more information visit united.com/changefee.
Fare validity: This applies to all standard fare tickets issued through January 31, 2022, all destinations, all points-of-sale, all travel dates available for sale, provided ticket number starts with 016. It also applies to Basic Economy fare tickets issued through April 30, 2021 or Basic Economy tickets issued between May 1, 2021 and December 31, 2021 for travel commencing between August 11 and December 31, 2021, all destinations, all points of sale, provided the ticket number starts with 016.
Miscellaneous: Fares, fees, rules and offers are subject to change without notice. Seats are capacity-controlled and may not be available on all flights or days. Some fares are nonrefundable except during the first 24 hours after purchase. Other restrictions may apply.
Changes/Cancellations: Customers with Basic Economy fare tickets issued between March 3, 2020, and April 30, 2021, or between May 1, 2021 and December 31, 2021 for travel commencing between August 11 and December 31, 2021, or standard fare tickets issued between March 3, 2020, and January 31, 2022, will be permitted to change without paying a change fee. If the new flight is priced higher, the customer may change for no change fee but must pay the fare difference. If the new flight is priced lower, the customer may change without paying a change fee, and standard fare tickets may be given residual value in the form of a future flight credit. If you purchased your ticket from a third-party agency, please check with the issuing agency for the rules of your ticket. Contract fares such as special bulk fares sold by travel agencies (e.g., opaque) may not be eligible for free changes. Any changes or cancellations must occur prior to ticketed travel date.
Please note: As of August 30, 2020, we no longer have change fees for most Economy and premium cabin tickets for flights within the U.S., or between the U.S. and Mexico or the Caribbean. We also no longer have change fees for international travel originating in the U.S. For more information visit united.com/changefee.
Fare validity: This applies to all standard fare tickets issued through January 31, 2022, all destinations, all points-of-sale, all travel dates available for sale, provided ticket number starts with 016. It also applies to Basic Economy fare tickets issued through April 30, 2021 or Basic Economy tickets issued between May 1, 2021 and December 31, 2021 for travel commencing between August 11 and December 31, 2021, all destinations, all points of sale, provided the ticket number starts with 016.
Miscellaneous: Fares, fees, rules and offers are subject to change without notice. Seats are capacity-controlled and may not be available on all flights or days. Some fares are nonrefundable except during the first 24 hours after purchase. Other restrictions may apply.
New fine print (1 April 2021)
- You can change Basic Economy tickets without change fees if the ticket is issued by April 30, 2021,
- and all other international travel without change fees if the ticket is issued by May 31, 2021.
- If the new flight is priced lower, the customer may change without paying a change fee, and may be given residual value in the form of a future flight credit.
Tickets: Applies to standard fare tickets issued between March 3, 2020, and December 31, 2021, and Basic Economy fare tickets issued between March 3, 2020, and April 30, 2021, or Basic Economy tickets issued between May 1, 2021 and December 31, 2021 for travel commencing between August 11 and December 31, 2021.
Changes/Cancellations: Customers with Basic Economy fare tickets issued between March 3, 2020, and April 30, 2021, or between May 1, 2021 and December 31, 2021 for travel commencing between August 11 and December 31, 2021, or standard fare tickets issued between March 3, 2020, and December 31, 2021, will be permitted to change without paying a change fee. If the new flight is priced higher, the customer may change for no change fee but must pay the fare difference. If the new flight is priced lower, the customer may change without paying a change fee, and standard fare tickets may be given residual value in the form of a future flight credit. If you purchased your ticket from a third-party agency, please check with the issuing agency for the rules of your ticket. Contract fares such as special bulk fares sold by travel agencies (e.g., opaque) may not be eligible for free changes. Any changes or cancellations must occur prior to ticketed travel date.
Please note: As of August 30, 2020, we no longer have change fees for most Economy and premium cabin tickets for flights within the U.S., or between the U.S. and Mexico or the Caribbean. We also no longer have change fees for international travel originating in the U.S. For more information visit united.com/changefee.
Fare validity: This applies to all standard fare tickets issued through December 31, 2021, all destinations, all points-of-sale, all travel dates available for sale, provided ticket number starts with 016. It also applies to Basic Economy fare tickets issued through April 30, 2021 or Basic Economy tickets issued between May 1, 2021 and December 31, 2021 for travel commencing between August 11 and December 31, 2021, all destinations, all points of sale, provided the ticket number starts with 016.
Miscellaneous: Fares, fees, rules and offers are subject to change without notice. Seats are capacity-controlled and may not be available on all flights or days. Some fares are nonrefundable except during the first 24 hours after purchase. Other restrictions may apply.
Changes/Cancellations: Customers with Basic Economy fare tickets issued between March 3, 2020, and April 30, 2021, or between May 1, 2021 and December 31, 2021 for travel commencing between August 11 and December 31, 2021, or standard fare tickets issued between March 3, 2020, and December 31, 2021, will be permitted to change without paying a change fee. If the new flight is priced higher, the customer may change for no change fee but must pay the fare difference. If the new flight is priced lower, the customer may change without paying a change fee, and standard fare tickets may be given residual value in the form of a future flight credit. If you purchased your ticket from a third-party agency, please check with the issuing agency for the rules of your ticket. Contract fares such as special bulk fares sold by travel agencies (e.g., opaque) may not be eligible for free changes. Any changes or cancellations must occur prior to ticketed travel date.
Please note: As of August 30, 2020, we no longer have change fees for most Economy and premium cabin tickets for flights within the U.S., or between the U.S. and Mexico or the Caribbean. We also no longer have change fees for international travel originating in the U.S. For more information visit united.com/changefee.
Fare validity: This applies to all standard fare tickets issued through December 31, 2021, all destinations, all points-of-sale, all travel dates available for sale, provided ticket number starts with 016. It also applies to Basic Economy fare tickets issued through April 30, 2021 or Basic Economy tickets issued between May 1, 2021 and December 31, 2021 for travel commencing between August 11 and December 31, 2021, all destinations, all points of sale, provided the ticket number starts with 016.
Miscellaneous: Fares, fees, rules and offers are subject to change without notice. Seats are capacity-controlled and may not be available on all flights or days. Some fares are nonrefundable except during the first 24 hours after purchase. Other restrictions may apply.
I just went through the process on a post-April 1st itinerary and was issued the new FFC vs ETCs. The agent tried to explain the new FFCs in detail:
The Bad:
1. No more ETC
2. No transferability
3. No combinability
4. Given there is no combinability, there is no more date-pushing (meaning new expiration date is most favorable of combined cert dates)
The Good:
5. Can use multiple towards a single itinerary (up to 10 she said)
6. Can pull from multiple accounts (3 from yours, 3 from spouse), so you don't have to split the locator to use from multiple accounts
7. Can be used on partner itineraries as long as one segment is UA
8. The FFCs show up in the account of the recipient and the booker. So I can see my spouse's FFCs if I booked the itenerary
9. FFCs now show up as a payment method in the app booking flow. For multi-passenger FFCs, both passengers show up!
I can live with all this, in exchange for no change fees, and reclaiming residual!
The Bad:
1. No more ETC
2. No transferability
3. No combinability
4. Given there is no combinability, there is no more date-pushing (meaning new expiration date is most favorable of combined cert dates)
The Good:
5. Can use multiple towards a single itinerary (up to 10 she said)
6. Can pull from multiple accounts (3 from yours, 3 from spouse), so you don't have to split the locator to use from multiple accounts
7. Can be used on partner itineraries as long as one segment is UA
8. The FFCs show up in the account of the recipient and the booker. So I can see my spouse's FFCs if I booked the itenerary
9. FFCs now show up as a payment method in the app booking flow. For multi-passenger FFCs, both passengers show up!
I can live with all this, in exchange for no change fees, and reclaiming residual!
If the new ticket costs less, the residual value from the old ticket is lostMultiple cancelled reservations cannot be combined to pay for a more expensive ticketStrictly U.S. and Mexico or the Caribbean only (excludes Canada) and excludes Basic Economy and International flightsWorldwide until Dec 31, 2020
United Airlines Permanently Eliminates Change Fees
Applies to all Economy and Premium cabin tickets for travel within the U.S.;
Airline also announces complimentary standby travel, becomes only U.S. airline that will let all customers in all classes of service fly same-day standby for free
With these new options, United gives more flexibility than any other U.S. carrier when customers' travel plans change
Video(1) Photos(1)
CHICAGO, Aug. 30, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- The only thing constant is change and at United Airlines, some of the fees associated with changes related to flying are gone for good. The carrier announced today that it is permanently getting rid of change fees on all standard Economy and Premium cabin tickets for travel within the U.S., effective immediately. And starting on January 1, 2021, any United customer can fly standby for free on a flight departing the day of their travel regardless of the type of ticket or class of service, a first among U.S. carriers, while MileagePlus Premier members can confirm a seat on a different flight on the same day with the same departure and arrival cities as their original ticket if a seat in the same ticket fare class is available.
United is also extending its waiver for new tickets issued through December 31, 2020, to permit unlimited changes with no fee. This policy applies to all ticket types issued after March 3, 2020 and is valid for domestic and international travel. With these improvements, no U.S. airline gives their customers more flexibility when booking – and changing – their travel plans than United Airlines.
"Change is inevitable these days – but it's how we respond to it that matters most. When we hear from customers about where we can improve, getting rid of this fee is often the top request," said Scott Kirby, CEO of United Airlines, in a video message to customers. "Following previous tough times, airlines made difficult decisions to survive, sometimes at the expense of customer service. United Airlines won't be following that same playbook as we come out of this crisis. Instead, we're taking a completely different approach – and looking at new ways to serve our customers better."
The new change fee policy applies to all standard Economy and Premium cabin tickets for travel within the U.S. 50 states, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands and customers will not be limited in the number of times they adjust their flights.
Additionally, United is giving customers more flexibility to change their flights on the day of their travel so they can head home if a meeting ends earlier or enjoy a few more hours on vacation. With the ability to list for same-day standby for free, customers will now have an option to take a different flight with the same origin and destination airports as their original itinerary if space is available at departure. This enhanced option will be available to all customers for travel within the U.S. and to and from international destinations beginning on January 1, 2021. Customers who want to switch flights will be able to add themselves to the standby list through United's award-winning mobile app, on united.com or at the airport no later than 30 minutes prior to departure for domestic flights and one hour before departure on international flights.
The carrier is also improving the travel experience for its MileagePlus members including waiving all redeposit fees on award travel for flights changed or cancelled more than 30 days before departure and allowing all MileagePlus Premier members to confirm a different flight on the day of their travel. As a way to thank MileagePlus Premier members for their loyalty, beginning January 1, 2021, all Premier members will be able to confirm a seat for free on a different flight with the same departure and arrival cities as their original ticket. This expanded option will allow MileagePlus Silver members and above to confirm a new seat in the same ticket fare class if space is available. Earlier this year, United announced that it will extend status for MileagePlus Premier and Global Services members through January 2022. United also reduced thresholds for Premier qualification by 50 percent for each status level, to make reaching an even higher status tier easier.
For more information on United's new flexible travel policies, visit https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly...hange-fee.html.
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Applies to all Economy and Premium cabin tickets for travel within the U.S.;
Airline also announces complimentary standby travel, becomes only U.S. airline that will let all customers in all classes of service fly same-day standby for free
With these new options, United gives more flexibility than any other U.S. carrier when customers' travel plans change
Video(1) Photos(1)
CHICAGO, Aug. 30, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- The only thing constant is change and at United Airlines, some of the fees associated with changes related to flying are gone for good. The carrier announced today that it is permanently getting rid of change fees on all standard Economy and Premium cabin tickets for travel within the U.S., effective immediately. And starting on January 1, 2021, any United customer can fly standby for free on a flight departing the day of their travel regardless of the type of ticket or class of service, a first among U.S. carriers, while MileagePlus Premier members can confirm a seat on a different flight on the same day with the same departure and arrival cities as their original ticket if a seat in the same ticket fare class is available.
United is also extending its waiver for new tickets issued through December 31, 2020, to permit unlimited changes with no fee. This policy applies to all ticket types issued after March 3, 2020 and is valid for domestic and international travel. With these improvements, no U.S. airline gives their customers more flexibility when booking – and changing – their travel plans than United Airlines.
"Change is inevitable these days – but it's how we respond to it that matters most. When we hear from customers about where we can improve, getting rid of this fee is often the top request," said Scott Kirby, CEO of United Airlines, in a video message to customers. "Following previous tough times, airlines made difficult decisions to survive, sometimes at the expense of customer service. United Airlines won't be following that same playbook as we come out of this crisis. Instead, we're taking a completely different approach – and looking at new ways to serve our customers better."
The new change fee policy applies to all standard Economy and Premium cabin tickets for travel within the U.S. 50 states, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands and customers will not be limited in the number of times they adjust their flights.
Additionally, United is giving customers more flexibility to change their flights on the day of their travel so they can head home if a meeting ends earlier or enjoy a few more hours on vacation. With the ability to list for same-day standby for free, customers will now have an option to take a different flight with the same origin and destination airports as their original itinerary if space is available at departure. This enhanced option will be available to all customers for travel within the U.S. and to and from international destinations beginning on January 1, 2021. Customers who want to switch flights will be able to add themselves to the standby list through United's award-winning mobile app, on united.com or at the airport no later than 30 minutes prior to departure for domestic flights and one hour before departure on international flights.
The carrier is also improving the travel experience for its MileagePlus members including waiving all redeposit fees on award travel for flights changed or cancelled more than 30 days before departure and allowing all MileagePlus Premier members to confirm a different flight on the day of their travel. As a way to thank MileagePlus Premier members for their loyalty, beginning January 1, 2021, all Premier members will be able to confirm a seat for free on a different flight with the same departure and arrival cities as their original ticket. This expanded option will allow MileagePlus Silver members and above to confirm a new seat in the same ticket fare class if space is available. Earlier this year, United announced that it will extend status for MileagePlus Premier and Global Services members through January 2022. United also reduced thresholds for Premier qualification by 50 percent for each status level, to make reaching an even higher status tier easier.
For more information on United's new flexible travel policies, visit https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly...hange-fee.html.
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AA Eliminates Many Change Fees, Other Benefits 31 Aug 2020
Delta to Eliminate Change Fees on Domestic Tickets [Consolidated Thread]
Alaska Eliminates Change Fees (9/1/2020)
UA will extend BE/International change fee waiver (In response to AA?)
Change Fees "Gone For Good"(WW ex-USA,non-BE), credit for lower fare!, Intl&BE waiver
Apr 20, 2022, 9:46 am
#811
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feels like I should know this answer, but don't: is there, in 2022, a nonrefundable business fare class where you'll actually lose your cash entirely if you cancel or change? no credit, no nothing?
was looking ex-USA to EDI in business, return priced out as a D fare. the rules state it's nonrefundable, and of course the most restrictive rules apply to the entire ticket...couldn't find in the miles of all caps boilerplate where it says you get something back if you change the ticket, but I may just not have looked in the right place. anyone? TIA.
was looking ex-USA to EDI in business, return priced out as a D fare. the rules state it's nonrefundable, and of course the most restrictive rules apply to the entire ticket...couldn't find in the miles of all caps boilerplate where it says you get something back if you change the ticket, but I may just not have looked in the right place. anyone? TIA.
Did United Extend unused tickets to 12/2023??
Apr 23, 2022, 12:46 am
#812
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: DEN
Programs: UA 1K 0.7MM (trying to get to 1MM!)
Posts: 1,272
Lower fare found...cancel (FFC) and rebook? Or can I just 'change'?
I booked a reservation back at the beginning of March for a trip in May. I've been tracking the price on Google Flights, and just happened to notice today that the price went down about $100 (didn't get any notification from Google flights, even though I have notifications turned on, but that's a separate issue), so I called the UA 1K desk to see what my options are. They said that since I booked the flight more than 30 days ago, I could either pay $50 to have them change the flight directly (I was a bit confused by this option, but didn't ask for clarification, as I wasn't really interested in having to pay to make the change), or I/they could cancel the original reservation, get FFC (which I'm sure I'll be able to use before it expires) and then rebook the new reservation. Does that sound right? Did I misunderstand something, or was there another option that I should have been given?
In the mean time, I've just gone ahead and booked the new reservation without cancelling the old one yet, (so that I don't lose out on the deal), and worst case will just cancel the original to get the FFC for a future trip sometime. I've got 24 hours to cancel that booking for free, of course, if need be. Thoughts? Thanks!
EDIT: Also, I had previously applied some PPs to try to get an upgrade...I assume those will automatically redeposit if I cancel the original reservation?
In the mean time, I've just gone ahead and booked the new reservation without cancelling the old one yet, (so that I don't lose out on the deal), and worst case will just cancel the original to get the FFC for a future trip sometime. I've got 24 hours to cancel that booking for free, of course, if need be. Thoughts? Thanks!
EDIT: Also, I had previously applied some PPs to try to get an upgrade...I assume those will automatically redeposit if I cancel the original reservation?
Last edited by mpiotrow; Apr 23, 2022 at 12:54 am
Apr 23, 2022, 1:26 am
#813
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SFO
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Posts: 66,857
I booked a reservation back at the beginning of March for a trip in May. I've been tracking the price on Google Flights, and just happened to notice today that the price went down about $100 (didn't get any notification from Google flights, even though I have notifications turned on, but that's a separate issue), so I called the UA 1K desk to see what my options are. They said that since I booked the flight more than 30 days ago, I could either pay $50 to have them change the flight directly (I was a bit confused by this option, but didn't ask for clarification, as I wasn't really interested in having to pay to make the change), or I/they could cancel the original reservation, get FFC (which I'm sure I'll be able to use before it expires) and then rebook the new reservation. Does that sound right? Did I misunderstand something, or was there another option that I should have been given? ...
In the mean time, I've just gone ahead and booked the new reservation without cancelling the old one yet, (so that I don't lose out on the deal), and worst case will just cancel the original to get the FFC for a future trip sometime. I've got 24 hours to cancel that booking for free, of course, if need be. Thoughts? ...
So different than with GPUs but it is actually better.
Apr 23, 2022, 1:33 am
#814
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: DEN
Programs: UA 1K 0.7MM (trying to get to 1MM!)
Posts: 1,272
Thanks for the quick reply, WineCountryUA ! I've been delaying canceling my original flight, because I have not received an email confirmation after I purchased the new flight. But, if I go look at my reservations, it's definitely shown in there, appears to be ticketed, etc. I've requested an email receipt twice (to 2 different email addresses), and still nothing. Even got on the app's chat feature and asked an agent to email me a reservation. She said she did, and that it could take "up to a day" for it to arrive. I've never had an email receipt take that long to arrive. Needless to say, I still haven't received anything, and I'm a bit scared that if I cancel the original reservation, and I don't have any record of my new reservation, they might somehow cancel that one also. 
EDIT: Well, speak of the devil, UA just automatically cancelled my old reservation! I was actually on the phone with the 1K desk at the time, just wanting to make sure everything looked good on their end and to request the reservation receipt (yet again), when all of a sudden I got the cancellation email. I still have yet to receive any sort of confirmation/receipt of the new reservation, so I printed the details shown when I click on the trip in the 'My Trips' section. As I said, everything looks normal in the new reservation online (it shows the date/time it was ticketed, etc), and I was able to get the agent to apply my PPs to this new reservation, but I still just can't get a copy of the receipt sent to me. I don't understand what's happening!
On a related note, it still says my other 40PPs (from the previous reservation) are still 'requested'...does that just take a bit of time for them to redeposit into my account?
EDIT 2: Well, I tried to request the receipt in the app one more time, and this time it actually worked. So, all appears to be fine now. I still wonder what happened...
EDIT: Well, speak of the devil, UA just automatically cancelled my old reservation! I was actually on the phone with the 1K desk at the time, just wanting to make sure everything looked good on their end and to request the reservation receipt (yet again), when all of a sudden I got the cancellation email. I still have yet to receive any sort of confirmation/receipt of the new reservation, so I printed the details shown when I click on the trip in the 'My Trips' section. As I said, everything looks normal in the new reservation online (it shows the date/time it was ticketed, etc), and I was able to get the agent to apply my PPs to this new reservation, but I still just can't get a copy of the receipt sent to me. I don't understand what's happening!
On a related note, it still says my other 40PPs (from the previous reservation) are still 'requested'...does that just take a bit of time for them to redeposit into my account?
EDIT 2: Well, I tried to request the receipt in the app one more time, and this time it actually worked. So, all appears to be fine now. I still wonder what happened...
Last edited by mpiotrow; Apr 23, 2022 at 2:12 am
Apr 28, 2022, 8:28 am
#815
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Location: Washington, DC
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My wife and I have an upcoming RT IAD-CHS. Each leg was booked as a one-way in regular Economy, using her Travel Bank points to partially pay for the outbound, and my TB points to partially pay for the return. The fares for each leg just dropped enough that I would like to rebook to take advantage of the lower fares, but no idea how to do that given the TB points in the equation.
If I cancel and rebook, which seems to be the preferred way to go under normal circumstances, will I then lose the TB points? If so then this would not be worth the change.
Or will this work: For each leg there is an earlier flight the same day. Both the currently held flights and the earlier flights now have new and identical lower fares on each leg. Can I change each leg to an earlier flight, get a FFC, then change back to the desired later flight at the same lower fare? This would effectively put us back on the same flight(s) that we're currently holding but at lower fares. Or will the TB Points become an issue here as well? FYI the TB Points that were used had an expiration of June 2022, if that matters.
If I cancel and rebook, which seems to be the preferred way to go under normal circumstances, will I then lose the TB points? If so then this would not be worth the change.
Or will this work: For each leg there is an earlier flight the same day. Both the currently held flights and the earlier flights now have new and identical lower fares on each leg. Can I change each leg to an earlier flight, get a FFC, then change back to the desired later flight at the same lower fare? This would effectively put us back on the same flight(s) that we're currently holding but at lower fares. Or will the TB Points become an issue here as well? FYI the TB Points that were used had an expiration of June 2022, if that matters.
Last edited by bob12403; Apr 28, 2022 at 9:20 am
Apr 28, 2022, 9:07 am
#816
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If I cancel and rebook, which seems to be the preferred way to go under normal circumstances, will I then lose the TB points? If so then this would not be worth the change.
Or will this work: For each leg there is an earlier flight the same day. Both the currently held flights and the earlier flights now have new and identical lower fares on each leg. Can I change each leg to an earlier flight, get a FFC, then change back to the desired later flight at the same lower fare? This would effectively put us back on the same flight(s) that we're currently holding but at lower fares. Or will the TB Points become an issue here as well? FYI the TB Points that were used had an expiration of June 2022, if that matters.
Or will this work: For each leg there is an earlier flight the same day. Both the currently held flights and the earlier flights now have new and identical lower fares on each leg. Can I change each leg to an earlier flight, get a FFC, then change back to the desired later flight at the same lower fare? This would effectively put us back on the same flight(s) that we're currently holding but at lower fares. Or will the TB Points become an issue here as well? FYI the TB Points that were used had an expiration of June 2022, if that matters.
For "refunds", the money is given back to the original form(s) of payment (FoP), e.g., credit card, future flight credit (FFC), TravelBank, etc. Refunds are usually given only for involuntary cancelation by UA, or for wholly refundable fares whose FoP were also fully refundable.
For voluntarily cancelations such as yours, that were not fully refundable, one does not receive a "refund" but an FFC. This does not depend on the FoP, so the fact that most of it was TB should not matter.
However, as I've never had a TB account, I should let someone more knowledgeable chime in.
Apr 28, 2022, 2:45 pm
#817
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This switch to a different flight, then back to the original, is the standard FlyerTalk technique for taking advantage of fare reductions.
For "refunds", the money is given back to the original form(s) of payment (FoP), e.g., credit card, future flight credit (FFC), TravelBank, etc. Refunds are usually given only for involuntary cancelation by UA, or for wholly refundable fares whose FoP were also fully refundable.
For voluntarily cancelations such as yours, that were not fully refundable, one does not receive a "refund" but an FFC. This does not depend on the FoP, so the fact that most of it was TB should not matter.
However, as I've never had a TB account, I should let someone more knowledgeable chime in.
For "refunds", the money is given back to the original form(s) of payment (FoP), e.g., credit card, future flight credit (FFC), TravelBank, etc. Refunds are usually given only for involuntary cancelation by UA, or for wholly refundable fares whose FoP were also fully refundable.
For voluntarily cancelations such as yours, that were not fully refundable, one does not receive a "refund" but an FFC. This does not depend on the FoP, so the fact that most of it was TB should not matter.
However, as I've never had a TB account, I should let someone more knowledgeable chime in.
for a fare drop, in this case, OP would simply change to an earlier (or later) flight, then change back. Note outright cancel will still not allow an option to go back onto original flight with same type of fare - it will have to be changed first, then change back. Change can be to anything - earlier later flight in same route, same route different day, or even wholly different route, although same route is usually easiest as it will likely have same fares and you only have to deal with one FFC. Best route is to find an earlier or later flight with the new fare, take the FFC for balance, then immediately change back to original flight. Or to chnage to an earlier/later flight at same as original fare, then change back to existing flight and get FFC with the second change. Again, travelbank is irrelevant unless this is a refundable fare and you choose to ask for a refund - this can also take weeks to come back so also the most PITA option.
Apr 29, 2022, 9:36 am
#818
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Thanks to those who offered advice on changing a flight and changing back to take advantage of lower fares after the initial booking. I just completed the exchange>exchange back for both legs, and it was very simple. TravelBank $$ that had been used in the initial booking were not a complicating factor at all.
Outbound I saved a total of $54 on both tickets by exchanging for the less-expensive earlier flight, then making an even exchange back to my original flight.
The return I initially saved $134 exchanging for the earlier flight, but had to pay $60 to get back on the original flight as that cost was higher than the earlier flight. Using the newly issued FFC was not an option for payment of the differential. However, the total cost for the return leg was still less than we initially paid. My out of pocket savings was $74 for the return with a net savings of $128 for the round trip. FFC's issued for $188 and travel must start 12/31/23, which is hardly going to be a problem. Greatly appreciate your information!
Outbound I saved a total of $54 on both tickets by exchanging for the less-expensive earlier flight, then making an even exchange back to my original flight.
The return I initially saved $134 exchanging for the earlier flight, but had to pay $60 to get back on the original flight as that cost was higher than the earlier flight. Using the newly issued FFC was not an option for payment of the differential. However, the total cost for the return leg was still less than we initially paid. My out of pocket savings was $74 for the return with a net savings of $128 for the round trip. FFC's issued for $188 and travel must start 12/31/23, which is hardly going to be a problem. Greatly appreciate your information!
Apr 29, 2022, 10:22 am
#819
Join Date: Feb 2011
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Thanks to those who offered advice on changing a flight and changing back to take advantage of lower fares after the initial booking. I just completed the exchange>exchange back for both legs, and it was very simple. TravelBank $$ that had been used in the initial booking were not a complicating factor at all.
Outbound I saved a total of $54 on both tickets by exchanging for the less-expensive earlier flight, then making an even exchange back to my original flight.
The return I initially saved $134 exchanging for the earlier flight, but had to pay $60 to get back on the original flight as that cost was higher than the earlier flight. Using the newly issued FFC was not an option for payment of the differential. However, the total cost for the return leg was still less than we initially paid. My out of pocket savings was $74 for the return with a net savings of $128 for the round trip. FFC's issued for $188 and travel must start 12/31/23, which is hardly going to be a problem. Greatly appreciate your information!
Outbound I saved a total of $54 on both tickets by exchanging for the less-expensive earlier flight, then making an even exchange back to my original flight.
The return I initially saved $134 exchanging for the earlier flight, but had to pay $60 to get back on the original flight as that cost was higher than the earlier flight. Using the newly issued FFC was not an option for payment of the differential. However, the total cost for the return leg was still less than we initially paid. My out of pocket savings was $74 for the return with a net savings of $128 for the round trip. FFC's issued for $188 and travel must start 12/31/23, which is hardly going to be a problem. Greatly appreciate your information!
Just a risk to be aware of. I thought about just staying on the new flight, as it was only a 90 minute earlier/longer connection, but it was the difference between having lunch with family or not so paid up.
Apr 30, 2022, 7:37 am
#820
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Two follow-up questions on the exchange>exchange back process to take advantage of a price drop on your original flight:
1. In order to find the exchange flight that is as close as possible in cost to the new lower fare on your current flight, can you move between fare classes, i.e. Current flight #1 drops from original purchase price of $300 E+ to $250. You find a different flight #2 with regular economy fare for $250. Can you change to the #2 flight, collect the $50 FFC, then turn around and change back to flight #1, doing an even exchange for the same $250 fare but now back to E+? (Same question would apply if going in the other direction, from regular economy to E+ and back again.)
2. Can you later redeem a portion of an FFC towards a fare and retain the balance, i.e. You have a $200 FFC, you want to purchase a $150 fare, will you still have $50 left in that FFC for later use?
Thanks again to everyone on this board for their knowledge and insight, greatly appreciated.
1. In order to find the exchange flight that is as close as possible in cost to the new lower fare on your current flight, can you move between fare classes, i.e. Current flight #1 drops from original purchase price of $300 E+ to $250. You find a different flight #2 with regular economy fare for $250. Can you change to the #2 flight, collect the $50 FFC, then turn around and change back to flight #1, doing an even exchange for the same $250 fare but now back to E+? (Same question would apply if going in the other direction, from regular economy to E+ and back again.)
2. Can you later redeem a portion of an FFC towards a fare and retain the balance, i.e. You have a $200 FFC, you want to purchase a $150 fare, will you still have $50 left in that FFC for later use?
Thanks again to everyone on this board for their knowledge and insight, greatly appreciated.
May 4, 2022, 2:59 pm
#821
Join Date: Dec 2009
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It's interesting to learn that you can't cancel a flight and then book the same one again with the FFC money. Thanks for that education.
Can someone explain the 'modify flight' option online? Specifically, why will there be $0 refunded despite there being a fare difference shown in the change summary?
More specifically, I -- like others -- see that my flight combination on a RT has decreased in price (in my current example, it's been less than 30 days since purchasing). When I go through the motions to change the ticketed flights, the same flights do not show the same option as when I search for a 'completely new' RT ticket. (one question; Why is this the case?). But, some of the options show going from an economy non-refundable to economy refundable ticket (which shows that it's the same fare class) for $0. When I click that option, the actual price is something like $30 less than the original ticket, but the amount refunded is $0.
I hope this makes sense, but I don't understand how this is working.
(in case it matters, I'm UA Gold)
Also, in the last 3 days, I've had 2 different situation for this RT ticket. When I saw the price decrease by $30, i called and the person gave a FFC for $30 with no mention of a $50 fee. Now, I see a $125 decrease (from that already $30 decreased amount), and called. The person and the manager (who i didn't ask for but was transferred to anyway) both said it would be a $50 fee. (and the fee does not count towards PQP) Why is there a fee?
Finally, if i change my ticket from a non-refundable to a refundable ticket on the same flight with no difference in money, can i then cancel the ticket and get the money back to my credit card? Or would it still go to a FFC?
Many thanks for looking through all my questions. If it's not clear, please let me know! Thanks in advance. (and nice to be back on the forum. the auto-loading has kept me away for years, but this forum might be the only place to learn the truth about how UA does these changes/modifications)
Can someone explain the 'modify flight' option online? Specifically, why will there be $0 refunded despite there being a fare difference shown in the change summary?
More specifically, I -- like others -- see that my flight combination on a RT has decreased in price (in my current example, it's been less than 30 days since purchasing). When I go through the motions to change the ticketed flights, the same flights do not show the same option as when I search for a 'completely new' RT ticket. (one question; Why is this the case?). But, some of the options show going from an economy non-refundable to economy refundable ticket (which shows that it's the same fare class) for $0. When I click that option, the actual price is something like $30 less than the original ticket, but the amount refunded is $0.
I hope this makes sense, but I don't understand how this is working.
(in case it matters, I'm UA Gold)
Also, in the last 3 days, I've had 2 different situation for this RT ticket. When I saw the price decrease by $30, i called and the person gave a FFC for $30 with no mention of a $50 fee. Now, I see a $125 decrease (from that already $30 decreased amount), and called. The person and the manager (who i didn't ask for but was transferred to anyway) both said it would be a $50 fee. (and the fee does not count towards PQP) Why is there a fee?
Finally, if i change my ticket from a non-refundable to a refundable ticket on the same flight with no difference in money, can i then cancel the ticket and get the money back to my credit card? Or would it still go to a FFC?
Many thanks for looking through all my questions. If it's not clear, please let me know! Thanks in advance. (and nice to be back on the forum. the auto-loading has kept me away for years, but this forum might be the only place to learn the truth about how UA does these changes/modifications)
May 4, 2022, 5:10 pm
#822
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May 4, 2022, 5:15 pm
#823
Join Date: Dec 2009
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Although, let me give an example. Let's say it's just a 1 way ticket. And, prices drop and now the non-refundable can be changed to a ticket that's in the refundable for $0. After that change of tickets goes through, where does the money go for the ticket?
I guess fundamentally, I'm not understanding what you mean by the non-refundable part remains.
May 4, 2022, 6:02 pm
#824
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Thanks jsloan.
Although, let me give an example. Let's say it's just a 1 way ticket. And, prices drop and now the non-refundable can be changed to a ticket that's in the refundable for $0. After that change of tickets goes through, where does the money go for the ticket?
I guess fundamentally, I'm not understanding what you mean by the non-refundable part remains.
Although, let me give an example. Let's say it's just a 1 way ticket. And, prices drop and now the non-refundable can be changed to a ticket that's in the refundable for $0. After that change of tickets goes through, where does the money go for the ticket?
I guess fundamentally, I'm not understanding what you mean by the non-refundable part remains.
If you change to a "refundable" fare ticket that is less expensive, two things will happen -- the fare difference will go to a nonrefundable FFC and if you decide to cancel the refundable ticket, that will become another nonrefundable FFC
Refundable means refunded to the "original method of payment". A refundable ticket purchased by a non-refundable credit will to return to a non-refundable credit if you cancel the refundable fare ticket.
The nonrefundable credit used to purchase a refundable fare effective negatives the refundablity.
May 4, 2022, 6:45 pm
#825
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Using non-refundable credit to buy a refundable ticket doesn’t change this. that credit still remains non-refundable. If you combine non-refundable credit and add cash to buy a refundable fare, and you try to refund it, the non-refundable amount will go to an FFC, and the cash will be refunded to the original form of payment - presumably your card.