Apr 15, 2019, 2:02 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
]United Airlines Preparing New Nonstop Seasonal Service Between New York/Newark and Cape Town, South Africa
United's new nonstop service will save customers nearly eight hours of travel time roundtrip between New York and Cape Town
CHICAGO, April 15, 2019
United Airlines today applied with the U.S. Department of Transportation for authority to begin new service between New York/Newark Liberty International Airport and Cape Town International Airport. United plans to operate nonstop three-times weekly flights to Cape Town starting in December 2019.
"We are always looking at ways to expand our industry-leading international route network to offer our customers more convenient options. We're thrilled to announce the addition of Africa to our global route offering," said Patrick Quayle, United's vice president of International Network. "
This new flight will provide customers with the only nonstop service between the United States and Cape Town." United's nonstop service between New York/Newark and Cape Town will decrease the current travel time from New York to Cape Town by more than four hours and provide customers from more than 80 U.S. cities with easy one-stop access to Cape Town. If approved, United's service between New York/Newark and Cape Town will be operated with Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner aircraft featuring 48 seats in United Polaris business class, 88 seats in United Economy Plus and 116 seats in United Economy.
United's new nonstop service will save customers nearly eight hours of travel time roundtrip between New York and Cape Town
CHICAGO, April 15, 2019
United Airlines today applied with the U.S. Department of Transportation for authority to begin new service between New York/Newark Liberty International Airport and Cape Town International Airport. United plans to operate nonstop three-times weekly flights to Cape Town starting in December 2019.
"We are always looking at ways to expand our industry-leading international route network to offer our customers more convenient options. We're thrilled to announce the addition of Africa to our global route offering," said Patrick Quayle, United's vice president of International Network. "
This new flight will provide customers with the only nonstop service between the United States and Cape Town." United's nonstop service between New York/Newark and Cape Town will decrease the current travel time from New York to Cape Town by more than four hours and provide customers from more than 80 U.S. cities with easy one-stop access to Cape Town. If approved, United's service between New York/Newark and Cape Town will be operated with Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner aircraft featuring 48 seats in United Polaris business class, 88 seats in United Economy Plus and 116 seats in United Economy.
Cape Town is the oldest city in South Africa and the country's center of trade and commerce. Located at the shore of Table Bay, the city is home to some of the most popular attractions in South Africa including Table Mountain, Kirstenbosch Botanical Gardens and the Victoria and Alfred Waterfront. Travelers to South Africa often begin their African journey in Cape Town before touring the Cape Winelands, viewing the African penguins at Boulder Beach or traveling beyond Cape Town to explore South Africa's natural beauty including its many national parks, game reserves and beautiful coastlines and beaches of the KwaZulu-Natal and Western Cape provinces.
26 April 2019
Update: APPROVED ^
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...flight-457638/
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...flight-457638/
Best Routing for UA flyer (Paid/Miles) to South Africa (JNB, CPT, ...)[Consolidated]
UA to launch Seasonal EWR-CPT - 3x Weekly year-round starting 5 June 2022
Jun 3, 2020, 10:46 am
#271
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Please publish those fares and routes. My guess is they include stops in places like Frankfurt, Istanbul, Dubai and Shanghai. Most would pay the $100-$200 premium UA was charging for the non-stop.
Jun 3, 2020, 4:38 pm
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No one outside of UA Executives are going to have that information and they won’t be disclosing it.
Jun 3, 2020, 11:47 pm
#273
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EWR-CPT is a serious success for UA and with serious travel time saving for pax. you don't see many markets having this kind of quality.
Jun 4, 2020, 1:05 am
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Jun 4, 2020, 6:06 am
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given the state of airline for SA, South Africa can present the next big opportunity for UA expansion. IF SA is gone, UA should think about launching some of the former SA routes. South Africa can become another TLV for UA.
EWR-CPT is a serious success for UA and with serious travel time saving for pax. you don't see many markets having this kind of quality.
EWR-CPT is a serious success for UA and with serious travel time saving for pax. you don't see many markets having this kind of quality.
Exactly. There is little doubt that the easiest and quickest way for us to get home was CPT-EWR-DFW. It was very convenient and saved a lot of time. Going over, we flew DFW-DOH-CPT. We absolutely loved Qatar, but for convenience, landing at EWR, having breakfast in the lounge and then hopping on the next flight, being home by around 12-2 pm, can't beat it. Even my wife agreed and we'll be taking this flight when we travel there again.
On a side note, after had checked in for the flight, there was a 'System Meltdown' at CPT and we ended up waiting about 70 minutes for approximately 30 passengers to be checked-in manually. It was no skin off our back as we had about a 3 1/2 hour layover at EWR, but I thought it was a nice gesture that the Captain chose to wait a while for the passengers.
Jun 4, 2020, 6:14 am
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Simply put, no. No one does. I do not believe the A359LR/UR (whatever it is, would be able to do it easily).
CPT-EWR is 7,817 miles and took us 16:10 to fly.
CPT-SFO is 10,253 miles. At approximately 2,500 miles longer, you'd be talking an extra 5 hours of flight time (~21 hours) westbound. It would not be feasible on any plane at the moment.
As a side note, it's only 1.3% further to fly CPT-EWR-SFO.
Long story short, no there isn't a plane that can fly from the west coast of the USA to Cape Town (or at least profitably on the way back - westbound). It makes much more sense to just route the passengers through EWR (or ATL for example, if talking about Delta).
CPT-EWR is 7,817 miles and took us 16:10 to fly.
CPT-SFO is 10,253 miles. At approximately 2,500 miles longer, you'd be talking an extra 5 hours of flight time (~21 hours) westbound. It would not be feasible on any plane at the moment.
As a side note, it's only 1.3% further to fly CPT-EWR-SFO.
Long story short, no there isn't a plane that can fly from the west coast of the USA to Cape Town (or at least profitably on the way back - westbound). It makes much more sense to just route the passengers through EWR (or ATL for example, if talking about Delta).
Jun 4, 2020, 1:48 pm
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Simply put, no. No one does. I do not believe the A359LR/UR (whatever it is, would be able to do it easily).
CPT-EWR is 7,817 miles and took us 16:10 to fly.
CPT-SFO is 10,253 miles. At approximately 2,500 miles longer, you'd be talking an extra 5 hours of flight time (~21 hours) westbound. It would not be feasible on any plane at the moment.
As a side note, it's only 1.3% further to fly CPT-EWR-SFO.
Long story short, no there isn't a plane that can fly from the west coast of the USA to Cape Town (or at least profitably on the way back - westbound). It makes much more sense to just route the passengers through EWR (or ATL for example, if talking about Delta).
CPT-EWR is 7,817 miles and took us 16:10 to fly.
CPT-SFO is 10,253 miles. At approximately 2,500 miles longer, you'd be talking an extra 5 hours of flight time (~21 hours) westbound. It would not be feasible on any plane at the moment.
As a side note, it's only 1.3% further to fly CPT-EWR-SFO.
Long story short, no there isn't a plane that can fly from the west coast of the USA to Cape Town (or at least profitably on the way back - westbound). It makes much more sense to just route the passengers through EWR (or ATL for example, if talking about Delta).
Jun 5, 2020, 7:22 am
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We were finally able to get something by setting an alert, but it wasn’t cheap, especially for a “leisure” route.
Finally, this flight tied SFO-SIN, for the most GS I’ve ever seen on a plane. There must have been at least 50 people who boarded when they called GS.
Jun 5, 2020, 7:53 am
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ORD seems to be within range for the 789 for, at least for the way to CPT with tailwinds. IAH - CPT is a similar distance to the Quantas PER-LHR route flown in a 789 so its theoretically possible. It wouldn't make sense to serve CPT from multiple hubs though and EWR is a better location for the flight. JNB ends up being a few hundred miles more because its further east then CPT
Jun 5, 2020, 8:11 am
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ORD seems to be within range for the 789 for, at least for the way to CPT with tailwinds. IAH - CPT is a similar distance to the Quantas PER-LHR route flown in a 789 so its theoretically possible. It wouldn't make sense to serve CPT from multiple hubs though and EWR is a better location for the flight. JNB ends up being a few hundred miles more because its further east then CPT
Jun 5, 2020, 12:36 pm
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Something like ORD-Windhoek-Capetown (the Steveo express), IAH- Lauda - Capetown (oil paradise), and SFO-Mendoza-Capetown in a malbec colored 787, the wine industry express. .
Jun 5, 2020, 1:30 pm
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Jun 12, 2020, 6:12 pm
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Why no UA metal flights CPT-EWR?
I was searching for flights on UA metal DEN-CPT. I was hoping to use some of my ETCs to visit family in SA in April (depending on the COVID situation - I am aware of the lockdown levels in SA). I can find plenty of outbound flights on UA metal, but only returns on LH or SA. If they are flying to CPT, I suspect they must be flying back?
Thoughts?
Thanks.
Thoughts?
Thanks.
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Jun 12, 2020 at 7:10 pm Reason: moved to existing CPT thread