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Old Feb 12, 2019, 1:21 am
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This is the archive thread, the active thread is Lufthansa GPUs Go Electronic (How to use, will it clear?, issues w/flight credit,...)

For general information on upgrading ANA or Lufthansa flights with a GPU, see Upgrading Flights Operated by ANA or Lufthansa. You actually request the upgrade through the online form, here: Request a GPU for a Select Partner Airline.

Per United web support, you only need to fill in the required* info.

**The LH flight you are upgrading must be an LH flight, not a UA codeshare flight. If you have a UA codeshare flight, you can call websupport and they will (put you on hold and] change your itinerary to one with an LH flight#.

Note that UA websupport might give you a new ticket # when you do the above, but if the original ticket # was 016 UA stock, it will remain so, and thus you will still be earning RDMs at the UA rate (11x for a 1K), not the *A rate. In case of a $6000 biz fare for LAX-FRA that you are trying to upgrade to F for example, as a 1K you would earn 66,000 UA RDM if booked as a UA flight. And even though after booking you get them to change the UA flight # from a UA codeshare flight to an LH flight, the 016 ticket stock sticks, and you earn 66,000 RDMs.

(FYI, had the ticket stock been an LH stock, the RDM's earned would be 5790 miles x 150% = 8685 RDMs. Big difference)

Note that sometimes the online upgrading does not work, and you may get an error message to call an 877 number, which is now defunct but still resides on .bomb...Ignore it and just call web support. They might put you on hold while they call LH but they will get the job done.

Eligible Economy Fares to Apply a GPU

Upgradeable to business fares include U/H/Q the lowest eligible economy fares. G&E the two top premium economy fares and Y/B/M the most expensive economy fares. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24219165-post205.html)
While UA has not changed their T&Cs, LH appears to have expanded the potential fare classes
Originally Posted by oliver2002
For C->F upgrade, J, D, C fares are eligible, Z and P fares are not.
Originally Posted by andywaw
Effective April 20th, 2018, all Lufthansa revenue Business Class fares, including P and Z, are eligible to be upgraded to First Class using miles or eVouchers. ...
LH booking class P, Z upgreadable for miles and eVouchers
Appears this also applies to use of UA GPUs IF booked as native flight number on LH or UA ticket stock.
Presently UA is not converting codeshare to native flight numbers, as required for this process, if P or Z fare
From April to September 2018 it was possible to confirm and waitlist P ,Z-class LH flights with a GPU. Confirming and waitlisting is no now longer possible, but previously waitlisted segments will continue to clear as/if available.

Checking for Upgrade Availability

Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24861289-post342.html)

In case of upgrade clearing but eticket refresh problems:

Originally Posted by oliver2002
Both longhaul LH segments cleared into I after being on waitlist . The first didnt get stickered, so the DCS ( amadeus altea ) rejected online and agent checkin . The eticket helpdesk had to manually update the first coupon for the DCS to accept the coupon. My seat in C was safe, since the PNR was updated correctly, just the ticket was not updated completely to the satisfaction of the DCS. Everyone looking at the booking agreed the upgrade was legit, so you will not be denied boarding or downgraded, just budget enough time
Originally Posted by oliver2002
The LH GA must have called the eticket helpdesk and pointed out the * SSR remark in your reservation that shows an upgrade was applied and the e-ticket just needed a fix/sticker. See my experience above.
Checking for availability prior to calling
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too.
Use ANA or even united.com to see availability.

To check if C/F upgrades may open up, ask in this thread: Determining LH Y/C/F loads? [the help me guesstimate loads thread]

Regarding ticket stock, Oliver reports:
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Any ticket stock will do.
Each LH flight segment requires a separate GPU
A single GPU can be used to only upgrade a single LH flight segment, And that GPU cannot be extended to include another LH flight segment or another UA flight segment.


Problems getting mileage credit for upgraded LH segments

Numerous reports of denial of mileage credits (RDMs, PQMs, PQSs, PQDs) for upgraded tickets. This issue is probably due to LH uses the same fare bucket for mileage awards and upgrades. It seems patience, persistence, and documentation of the originally paid fare are needed to get credit.

You probably won't get credit by simply submitting the online form or asking a CSR to do so for you. A CSR needs to submit a System Issue Form, together with the mileage request, explaining that you flew in I class, but you paid for a mileage-earning booking class.

T-10

While the original system did not allow the upgrade waitlist to carry on past t-10 hours, the have been multiple reports that this is no longer the case. If not cleared in advance - the upgrade wait-list will last all the way until the door closing. UA has not updated the text on the LH GPU upgrades to reflect this change.

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Old Apr 4, 2019, 3:25 pm
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OK... that explains some... thanks! But they will sell over the phone... I know they have to use another "system"... but they will.
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Old Apr 4, 2019, 3:31 pm
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OK... that explains some... thanks! But they will sell over the phone... I know they have to use another "system"... but they will.
They can sell it using the native LH flight numbers, as that accesses LH's inventory.

It's only an issue on flights where UA codeshares. If you search, e.g., FRA-HKG, you can purchase F on united.com, because it's also using the LH code.
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Old Apr 4, 2019, 3:45 pm
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That's curious because the FRA-IAH was originally a codeshare... Before I had them convert to the native LH number? Just looking in now... and FRA - MEX, with UA8866 codeshare with LH440, comes up... but again not showing anything except Coach... I don't get it...

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Old Apr 4, 2019, 3:51 pm
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Originally Posted by model_un
That's curious because the FRA-IAH was originally a codeshare... Before I had them convert to the native LH number? Just looking in now... and FRA - MEX, with UA8866 codeshare with LH440, comes up... but again not showing anything except Coach... I don't get it...
Right. The search results are showing UA codeshare inventory, which they will always do on any LH flight where UA actually has a codeshare. UA inventory will never show an F bucket -- that's been retired across every UA flight (codeshare or otherwise).

IOW, in order to judge your chances of clearing the upgrade, you need the LH inventory, which you can get from something like ExpertFlyer. (I don't think Lufthansa.com has an Expert Mode equivalent, although I could be mistaken).
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Old Apr 4, 2019, 3:53 pm
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Sorry... I think I misread your post... you are saying IF UA has a codeshare on that segment, the website will NOT show First. Even if available.
So I did a test on your theory and plugged in the FRA-HKG flight and sure enough, the non-stop LH flight (now codeshare) shows. with F3 spots. BUT THE SITE will still NOT sell the ticket.
I don't know... I just find the site to be very wonky.
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Old Apr 4, 2019, 3:57 pm
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So I did a test on your theory and plugged in the FRA-HKG flight and sure enough, the non-stop LH flight (now codeshare) shows. with F3 spots. BUT THE SITE will still NOT sell the ticket.
I don't know... I just find the site to be very wonky.
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Yeah, I don't know why it wouldn't sell a ticket in that case, as it should be able to do so. But, yes, that's what I meant.
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Old Apr 4, 2019, 3:59 pm
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Here is what EF is showing... again fingers-crossed

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Old Apr 13, 2019, 8:51 pm
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What does is it mean when you see F0, but 4 seats show on the seat map?

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Old Apr 13, 2019, 9:11 pm
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What does is it mean when you see F0, but 4 seats show on the seat map? ....
Passengers have purchased seats and not selected a seat assignment. And there are no more seats available for purchases.
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Old Apr 13, 2019, 9:26 pm
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Thanks WineCountryUA.

Follow-up... has anyone had any luck calling LH to inquire about GPU upgrade potential/availability J>F?

Also... any chance that one of those seats just might the one I'm waiting to clear off the waitlist? Hey I can dream, right?

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Old Apr 13, 2019, 9:36 pm
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Originally Posted by model_un
... has anyone had any luck calling LH to inquire about GPU upgrade potential/availability J>F? ...
Likely even less successful than calling UA about one of their flights

Originally Posted by model_un
... any chance that one of those seats just might the one I'm waiting to clear off the waitlist? ...
Only if you have cleared

Another reason you could dream about is that business is overbooked and F is being blocked, but for LH there is essentially zero chance of that.
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Old Apr 14, 2019, 4:05 am
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Originally Posted by model_un

What does is it mean when you see F0, but 4 seats show on the seat map?

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There’s a VERY small chance an f seat may become available - an f0 flight I was supposed to be on became F1 in the remaining 24 hours - but I suspect it’s more because someone changed plans, rather than blocking - so if you have no flexibility then apply the GPU and hope for the best, but if you do, go another day - that’s what I did.
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Originally Posted by model_un

What does is it mean when you see F0, but 4 seats show on the seat map?

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J2F0 is a common J oversell view. So the UG may clear just fine. LH willing to sell 2 more in full J assuming they will then upgrade J to F. Tough to tell ... 4 unassigned seats in F may support the oversell, but it's impossible to say for sure.

Originally Posted by model_un
Thanks WineCountryUA.

Follow-up... has anyone had any luck calling LH to inquire about GPU upgrade potential/availability J>F?

Also... any chance that one of those seats just might the one I'm waiting to clear off the waitlist? Hey I can dream, right?

Thanks,

FF
You can call in certain cirmustances (and I have done that) if you think your UG is stuck somehow ... like O is available for several days with F6 and it does not clear. I have had luck calling the F hotline in that case and getting it cleared.
In your case you are essentially asking whether J is oversold; I doubt LH will tell you that. If you have a high fare class (J for example) I think your chances to clear the UG request are decent.
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Old Apr 14, 2019, 2:00 pm
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J2F0 is a common J oversell view. So the UG may clear just fine. LH willing to sell 2 more in full J assuming they will then upgrade J to F.
What? Why? If J is oversold, and they're willing to oversell by two more -- why on earth wouldn't they be willing to sell those same seats as F fares instead? I mean, F2J2 I could see; F0J2 makes no sense to me as a J oversale situation.
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Old Apr 14, 2019, 2:31 pm
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What? Why? If J is oversold, and they're willing to oversell by two more -- why on earth wouldn't they be willing to sell those same seats as F fares instead? I mean, F2J2 I could see; F0J2 makes no sense to me as a J oversale situation.
it makes perfect sense actually and I have been in these situations before. If they have 2 more seats they can certainly decide it is much more likely someone is buying the last full fare J than someone buying F. J is 2 over and there are 4 F left ... rev mgt will decide how to sell that.
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