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Old Feb 12, 2019, 1:21 am
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This is the archive thread, the active thread is Lufthansa GPUs Go Electronic (How to use, will it clear?, issues w/flight credit,...)

For general information on upgrading ANA or Lufthansa flights with a GPU, see Upgrading Flights Operated by ANA or Lufthansa. You actually request the upgrade through the online form, here: Request a GPU for a Select Partner Airline.

Per United web support, you only need to fill in the required* info.

**The LH flight you are upgrading must be an LH flight, not a UA codeshare flight. If you have a UA codeshare flight, you can call websupport and they will (put you on hold and] change your itinerary to one with an LH flight#.

Note that UA websupport might give you a new ticket # when you do the above, but if the original ticket # was 016 UA stock, it will remain so, and thus you will still be earning RDMs at the UA rate (11x for a 1K), not the *A rate. In case of a $6000 biz fare for LAX-FRA that you are trying to upgrade to F for example, as a 1K you would earn 66,000 UA RDM if booked as a UA flight. And even though after booking you get them to change the UA flight # from a UA codeshare flight to an LH flight, the 016 ticket stock sticks, and you earn 66,000 RDMs.

(FYI, had the ticket stock been an LH stock, the RDM's earned would be 5790 miles x 150% = 8685 RDMs. Big difference)

Note that sometimes the online upgrading does not work, and you may get an error message to call an 877 number, which is now defunct but still resides on .bomb...Ignore it and just call web support. They might put you on hold while they call LH but they will get the job done.

Eligible Economy Fares to Apply a GPU

Upgradeable to business fares include U/H/Q the lowest eligible economy fares. G&E the two top premium economy fares and Y/B/M the most expensive economy fares. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24219165-post205.html)
While UA has not changed their T&Cs, LH appears to have expanded the potential fare classes
Originally Posted by oliver2002
For C->F upgrade, J, D, C fares are eligible, Z and P fares are not.
Originally Posted by andywaw
Effective April 20th, 2018, all Lufthansa revenue Business Class fares, including P and Z, are eligible to be upgraded to First Class using miles or eVouchers. ...
LH booking class P, Z upgreadable for miles and eVouchers
Appears this also applies to use of UA GPUs IF booked as native flight number on LH or UA ticket stock.
Presently UA is not converting codeshare to native flight numbers, as required for this process, if P or Z fare
From April to September 2018 it was possible to confirm and waitlist P ,Z-class LH flights with a GPU. Confirming and waitlisting is no now longer possible, but previously waitlisted segments will continue to clear as/if available.

Checking for Upgrade Availability

Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24861289-post342.html)

In case of upgrade clearing but eticket refresh problems:

Originally Posted by oliver2002
Both longhaul LH segments cleared into I after being on waitlist . The first didnt get stickered, so the DCS ( amadeus altea ) rejected online and agent checkin . The eticket helpdesk had to manually update the first coupon for the DCS to accept the coupon. My seat in C was safe, since the PNR was updated correctly, just the ticket was not updated completely to the satisfaction of the DCS. Everyone looking at the booking agreed the upgrade was legit, so you will not be denied boarding or downgraded, just budget enough time
Originally Posted by oliver2002
The LH GA must have called the eticket helpdesk and pointed out the * SSR remark in your reservation that shows an upgrade was applied and the e-ticket just needed a fix/sticker. See my experience above.
Checking for availability prior to calling
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too.
Use ANA or even united.com to see availability.

To check if C/F upgrades may open up, ask in this thread: Determining LH Y/C/F loads? [the help me guesstimate loads thread]

Regarding ticket stock, Oliver reports:
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Any ticket stock will do.
Each LH flight segment requires a separate GPU
A single GPU can be used to only upgrade a single LH flight segment, And that GPU cannot be extended to include another LH flight segment or another UA flight segment.


Problems getting mileage credit for upgraded LH segments

Numerous reports of denial of mileage credits (RDMs, PQMs, PQSs, PQDs) for upgraded tickets. This issue is probably due to LH uses the same fare bucket for mileage awards and upgrades. It seems patience, persistence, and documentation of the originally paid fare are needed to get credit.

You probably won't get credit by simply submitting the online form or asking a CSR to do so for you. A CSR needs to submit a System Issue Form, together with the mileage request, explaining that you flew in I class, but you paid for a mileage-earning booking class.

T-10

While the original system did not allow the upgrade waitlist to carry on past t-10 hours, the have been multiple reports that this is no longer the case. If not cleared in advance - the upgrade wait-list will last all the way until the door closing. UA has not updated the text on the LH GPU upgrades to reflect this change.

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Old Apr 14, 2019, 3:45 pm
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I want to use a GPU on a LH flight. I found a cheap Q fare which should be eligible. The website says the upgrade will clear if there’s space available. How do I know if there’s space available? Is there a fare code like United has (PZ) that would tell me if it would clear immediately?

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Old Apr 14, 2019, 3:59 pm
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Originally Posted by TravelTheWorld66
I want to use a GPU on a LH flight. I found a cheap Q fare which should be eligible. The website says the upgrade will clear if there’s space available. How do I know if there’s space available? Is there a fare code like United has (PZ) that would tell me if it would clear immediately? ....
Your best indicator is I space but it is not 100%. The thread's wiki goes onto more detail
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Old Apr 14, 2019, 5:42 pm
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If they have 2 more seats they can certainly decide it is much more likely someone is buying the last full fare J than someone buying F.
Of course it is. However, why wouldn't they give people the option? F2J2 allows either of the two to sell.
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Old Apr 15, 2019, 6:00 am
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Of course it is. However, why wouldn't they give people the option? F2J2 allows either of the two to sell.
All I say is that with LH I have been in a similar situation and my UG cleared at the airport; check-in agent said J was oversold. How that is being determined and what other factors are in play ... I have no idea. Sometimes LH rev mgt does strange things in my experience.
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Old Apr 21, 2019, 3:57 pm
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Update... Was F0 J2 as of yesterday... now showing...



I was about to reschedule... at a huge time and $$$ cost... What to do? Seat map showing 3 seats open... Geezes these things are nerve-wracking!!!

Backstory... I'm trying to complete the LH First Class Cabin Run... I've ridden on the 747-8 a few times and have a confirmed F on A340 MEX-MUC. arriving super early, so I'll be able to spend a few hours in the FCL before my connecting flight. My hope is to return on an A380, early enough to make my connection to Mexico City...

Anyway... back to the oracles... what say you... is there a place to call with LH to plead my case??? Do I jump ship and attempt some of the other locations. FRA-JFK is showing F7! But sticks me an impossible situation, where I would have to RUN to LGA or EWR to catch anything that would get me near the southern border. Another option is to completely change return, go through MUC and LAX, which will then require an overnight stay and a lost day of work.

What to do? First world problems indeed...

BTW - Can't find any of the A330 with F... Middle East/Asia routes?

Thank!
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Old Apr 21, 2019, 5:28 pm
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Originally Posted by model_un
Update... Was F0 J2 as of yesterday... now showing...



I was about to reschedule... at a huge time and $$$ cost... What to do? Seat map showing 3 seats open... Geezes these things are nerve-wracking!!!

Backstory... I'm trying to complete the LH First Class Cabin Run... I've ridden on the 747-8 a few times and have a confirmed F on A340 MEX-MUC. arriving super early, so I'll be able to spend a few hours in the FCL before my connecting flight. My hope is to return on an A380, early enough to make my connection to Mexico City...

Anyway... back to the oracles... what say you... is there a place to call with LH to plead my case??? Do I jump ship and attempt some of the other locations. FRA-JFK is showing F7! But sticks me an impossible situation, where I would have to RUN to LGA or EWR to catch anything that would get me near the southern border. Another option is to completely change return, go through MUC and LAX, which will then require an overnight stay and a lost day of work.

What to do? First world problems indeed...

BTW - Can't find any of the A330 with F... Middle East/Asia routes?

Thank!
FRA-IAH-FRA is a tough upgrade. With this inventory ... now it smells even more like an oversell. How many seats are not taken in F?

It's a tough one ... I would give it a chance if I was in J or maybe even C ... in D-class ... not so much but YMMV plus there can always be additional mis-connects.
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Old Apr 21, 2019, 5:59 pm
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For what’s worth I’m in paid J and EF is showing 3 seats open.

Thanks CFischer!
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Old Apr 21, 2019, 6:31 pm
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Originally Posted by model_un
For what’s worth I’m in paid J and EF is showing 3 seats open.
Unassigned seats and seats available for sale or upgrade are not the same thing. F1 is pretty clear, only 1 seat is available for sale.
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Old Apr 21, 2019, 6:37 pm
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Unassigned seats and seats available for sale or upgrade are not the same thing. F1 is pretty clear, only 1 seat is available for sale.
Correct, but F1J0 could mean that J is oversold and that they're planning to clear a certificate into F.
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Old Apr 21, 2019, 7:05 pm
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Look. I have options... I still have 12 day before I need to make a final decision. Right? I mean I can always change plans mid trip... as it is, worst case is J. If worst come to worst, I kill the IAH segment and go back on 747-8. Worst things things in life.
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Old Apr 22, 2019, 6:19 pm
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Originally Posted by model_un
For what’s worth I’m in paid J and EF is showing 3 seats open.

Thanks CFischer!
On a full J fare I would risk it. Nice ride on the 388 on this route, have flown it many times.
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Old Apr 22, 2019, 11:44 pm
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Thanks CFischer.

So it's now showing F0 AND J0, with 3 seats showing as "unassigned/open" and a little less than 20 J seats "unassigned/open."

Just confirm, assuming any fees associated, I can change segments, as long as the final destination is respected... yes? If I decide to switch over to the direct flight (FRA-MEX,) a few days before, I should be able to change without issue... right?

Thanks!

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Old Apr 23, 2019, 5:19 pm
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Originally Posted by model_un
Thanks CFischer.

So it's now showing F0 AND J0, with 3 seats showing as "unassigned/open" and a little less than 20 J seats "unassigned/open."

Just confirm, assuming any fees associated, I can change segments, as long as the final destination is respected... yes? If I decide to switch over to the direct flight (FRA-MEX,) a few days before, I should be able to change without issue... right?

Thanks!

FF
Man, that's a tough one. J0F0 could be anything. And still 12 days to go. Are there any where you see 'O' available? I mean I would make a change away from this I would want to be near certain it would clear.
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Old Apr 23, 2019, 7:41 pm
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Lufthansa Upgrade via GPU - on United ticket

If I purchase a premium economy ticket through United that is coming back from Europe via Lufthansa (MUC - LAX) in premium economy Class (A). Will I be able to use a GPU to upgrade from Premium Economy to Business via a GPU? It didn't mention class 'A', although it mentioned other economy class fares.

yes / no / just book your damn flight on United metal?
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Old Apr 23, 2019, 7:48 pm
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Originally Posted by bannind
If I purchase a premium economy ticket through United that is coming back from Europe via Lufthansa (MUC - LAX) in premium economy Class (A). Will I be able to use a GPU to upgrade from Premium Economy to Business via a GPU? It didn't mention class 'A', although it mentioned other economy class fares.
A is equivalent to LH E class, which is upgradeable with a GPU. You'll need to get the ticket converted to use LH flight numbers to apply the GPU; UA can do that for you if you call.
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