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Old Feb 12, 2019, 1:21 am
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This is the archive thread, the active thread is Lufthansa GPUs Go Electronic (How to use, will it clear?, issues w/flight credit,...)

For general information on upgrading ANA or Lufthansa flights with a GPU, see Upgrading Flights Operated by ANA or Lufthansa. You actually request the upgrade through the online form, here: Request a GPU for a Select Partner Airline.

Per United web support, you only need to fill in the required* info.

**The LH flight you are upgrading must be an LH flight, not a UA codeshare flight. If you have a UA codeshare flight, you can call websupport and they will (put you on hold and] change your itinerary to one with an LH flight#.

Note that UA websupport might give you a new ticket # when you do the above, but if the original ticket # was 016 UA stock, it will remain so, and thus you will still be earning RDMs at the UA rate (11x for a 1K), not the *A rate. In case of a $6000 biz fare for LAX-FRA that you are trying to upgrade to F for example, as a 1K you would earn 66,000 UA RDM if booked as a UA flight. And even though after booking you get them to change the UA flight # from a UA codeshare flight to an LH flight, the 016 ticket stock sticks, and you earn 66,000 RDMs.

(FYI, had the ticket stock been an LH stock, the RDM's earned would be 5790 miles x 150% = 8685 RDMs. Big difference)

Note that sometimes the online upgrading does not work, and you may get an error message to call an 877 number, which is now defunct but still resides on .bomb...Ignore it and just call web support. They might put you on hold while they call LH but they will get the job done.

Eligible Economy Fares to Apply a GPU

Upgradeable to business fares include U/H/Q the lowest eligible economy fares. G&E the two top premium economy fares and Y/B/M the most expensive economy fares. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24219165-post205.html)
While UA has not changed their T&Cs, LH appears to have expanded the potential fare classes
Originally Posted by oliver2002
For C->F upgrade, J, D, C fares are eligible, Z and P fares are not.
Originally Posted by andywaw
Effective April 20th, 2018, all Lufthansa revenue Business Class fares, including P and Z, are eligible to be upgraded to First Class using miles or eVouchers. ...
LH booking class P, Z upgreadable for miles and eVouchers
Appears this also applies to use of UA GPUs IF booked as native flight number on LH or UA ticket stock.
Presently UA is not converting codeshare to native flight numbers, as required for this process, if P or Z fare
From April to September 2018 it was possible to confirm and waitlist P ,Z-class LH flights with a GPU. Confirming and waitlisting is no now longer possible, but previously waitlisted segments will continue to clear as/if available.

Checking for Upgrade Availability

Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24861289-post342.html)

In case of upgrade clearing but eticket refresh problems:

Originally Posted by oliver2002
Both longhaul LH segments cleared into I after being on waitlist . The first didnt get stickered, so the DCS ( amadeus altea ) rejected online and agent checkin . The eticket helpdesk had to manually update the first coupon for the DCS to accept the coupon. My seat in C was safe, since the PNR was updated correctly, just the ticket was not updated completely to the satisfaction of the DCS. Everyone looking at the booking agreed the upgrade was legit, so you will not be denied boarding or downgraded, just budget enough time
Originally Posted by oliver2002
The LH GA must have called the eticket helpdesk and pointed out the * SSR remark in your reservation that shows an upgrade was applied and the e-ticket just needed a fix/sticker. See my experience above.
Checking for availability prior to calling
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too.
Use ANA or even united.com to see availability.

To check if C/F upgrades may open up, ask in this thread: Determining LH Y/C/F loads? [the help me guesstimate loads thread]

Regarding ticket stock, Oliver reports:
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Any ticket stock will do.
Each LH flight segment requires a separate GPU
A single GPU can be used to only upgrade a single LH flight segment, And that GPU cannot be extended to include another LH flight segment or another UA flight segment.


Problems getting mileage credit for upgraded LH segments

Numerous reports of denial of mileage credits (RDMs, PQMs, PQSs, PQDs) for upgraded tickets. This issue is probably due to LH uses the same fare bucket for mileage awards and upgrades. It seems patience, persistence, and documentation of the originally paid fare are needed to get credit.

You probably won't get credit by simply submitting the online form or asking a CSR to do so for you. A CSR needs to submit a System Issue Form, together with the mileage request, explaining that you flew in I class, but you paid for a mileage-earning booking class.

T-10

While the original system did not allow the upgrade waitlist to carry on past t-10 hours, the have been multiple reports that this is no longer the case. If not cleared in advance - the upgrade wait-list will last all the way until the door closing. UA has not updated the text on the LH GPU upgrades to reflect this change.

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Old Oct 15, 2018, 8:06 pm
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Originally Posted by britinva79
Checking Miles & More website it maybe that P class isn’t allowed on LH either. Am I reading it wrong?
  • Business Class (P,Z) to First Class only possible on SWISS International Airlines (+20,000 miles)
  • Business Class (J,C,D) to First Class
upgrading from P and Z is possible on LH since Spring '18 when LH adopted the LX policy.
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Old Oct 15, 2018, 8:43 pm
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Originally Posted by britinva79
Checking Miles & More website it maybe that P class isn’t allowed on LH either. Am I reading it wrong?
  • Business Class (P,Z) to First Class only possible on SWISS International Airlines (+20,000 miles)
  • Business Class (J,C,D) to First Class
See the LH forum thread - LH booking class P, Z upgreadable for miles and eVouchers
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Old Oct 15, 2018, 11:37 pm
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Wrong tense. It’s over.
Darn it!

Was lucky enough to only do it once - and it cleared. Oh well
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Old Oct 15, 2018, 11:48 pm
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Originally Posted by cfischer
upgrading from P and Z is possible on LH since Spring '18 when LH adopted the LX policy.
Earlier this year, I used my expiring certs to upgrade my boss from a Z/P fare to F and was successful. However, he tried to go from Z or P to F last week and was told by the UA CSR that his fare was not eligible for the upgrade.

And I had to guide him through the entire process; he is (now was) one of those 1K types who didn't know he had upgrade certs or how to use them.
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Old Oct 17, 2018, 7:41 am
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During this year I have upgraded multiple times using UA GPU on LH Z and P fares. It is no longer possible. Now getting the *fare class not elegible* message on the UA website for FRA-GRU flights. I recall that at some point I did get initially a similar message and days later it would let me apply my GPU and process my request. Fingers crossed.
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Old Oct 17, 2018, 12:11 pm
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Do i understand it correctly that i can only apply a GPU to an LH flight if the ticket is on LH or UA stock? If so, is there anything that can be done if it's a non-LH/UA ticket?
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Old Oct 17, 2018, 12:46 pm
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It doesn't matter what ticket stock the ticket has been issued on.
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Old Oct 17, 2018, 12:49 pm
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
It doesn't matter what ticket stock the ticket has been issued on.
Strictly this is true. However if it's not on a LH/UA ticket stock, the poster is likely to run into problems with codeshares (in that LH will likely be the native numbers and UA will change to the native flight numbers for GPU usage). However other ticketing carriers are extremely unlikely to do this.
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Old Oct 17, 2018, 8:58 pm
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Originally Posted by astunpeta
During this year I have upgraded multiple times using UA GPU on LH Z and P fares. It is no longer possible. Now getting the *fare class not elegible* message on the UA website for FRA-GRU flights. I recall that at some point I did get initially a similar message and days later it would let me apply my GPU and process my request. Fingers crossed.
Many reports it is gone.
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Old Oct 26, 2018, 9:22 am
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It seems I waited to long to call in and ask for my boyfriend's and my flights from MUC-MIA to be changed to a LH flight number, and when I called just now I was told it would cost ~$800 to do so (something about fare availability). It seems we can't even select seats or upgrade to Premium Economy for this flight without an LH flight number let alone apply GPUs... are we screwed or should I call again and try for a new agent?
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Old Oct 26, 2018, 1:54 pm
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Originally Posted by dc89
It seems I waited to long to call in and ask for my boyfriend's and my flights from MUC-MIA to be changed to a LH flight number, and when I called just now I was told it would cost ~$800 to do so (something about fare availability). It seems we can't even select seats or upgrade to Premium Economy for this flight without an LH flight number let alone apply GPUs... are we screwed or should I call again and try for a new agent?
I think I am in the same boat as you. I called up twice this week on 1K line trying to convert the UA code sharing flight number to LH number so that I can apply GPU and they could not do it because LH do not have the same fare available. Do not really get it as the flight is on LH itself, just need to change the flight number.
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Old Oct 26, 2018, 4:32 pm
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Originally Posted by dc89
It seems I waited to long to call in and ask for my boyfriend's and my flights from MUC-MIA to be changed to a LH flight number, and when I called just now I was told it would cost ~$800 to do so (something about fare availability). ...
What is your present fare class? UA will only change flight numbers for certain fare classes.

Originally Posted by DKann
I think I am in the same boat as you. I called up twice this week on 1K line trying to convert the UA code sharing flight number to LH number so that I can apply GPU and they could not do it because LH do not have the same fare available. ...
Same question, what is your present fare class?
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Old Oct 26, 2018, 4:35 pm
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
What is your present fare class? UA will only change flight numbers for certain fare classes.

Same question, what is your present fare class?
Mine is D class.
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Old Oct 26, 2018, 4:41 pm
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
... Same question, what is your present fare class?
Mine is D class. .
OK, that has traditionally been a qualiflying fare class -- so the denial is odd. I guess I would give it one more try

As UA states
How to request for codeshare flights
If you are traveling on an ANA- or Lufthansa-operated codeshare flight with a United flight number, upgrades may be available and can be requested by calling 1-800-UNITED-1 (1-800-864-8331) within the U.S. and Canada, elsewhere call your local United Customer Contact Center.
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Old Oct 26, 2018, 4:45 pm
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
OK, that has traditionally been a qualiflying fare class -- so the denial is odd. I guess I would give it one more try

As UA states
I find it odd too. I have done that many times in the past and the last one was just 3 weeks back. Not sure what changed. Will try to call again next week.
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