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Old Feb 12, 2019, 1:21 am
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This is the archive thread, the active thread is Lufthansa GPUs Go Electronic (How to use, will it clear?, issues w/flight credit,...)

For general information on upgrading ANA or Lufthansa flights with a GPU, see Upgrading Flights Operated by ANA or Lufthansa. You actually request the upgrade through the online form, here: Request a GPU for a Select Partner Airline.

Per United web support, you only need to fill in the required* info.

**The LH flight you are upgrading must be an LH flight, not a UA codeshare flight. If you have a UA codeshare flight, you can call websupport and they will (put you on hold and] change your itinerary to one with an LH flight#.

Note that UA websupport might give you a new ticket # when you do the above, but if the original ticket # was 016 UA stock, it will remain so, and thus you will still be earning RDMs at the UA rate (11x for a 1K), not the *A rate. In case of a $6000 biz fare for LAX-FRA that you are trying to upgrade to F for example, as a 1K you would earn 66,000 UA RDM if booked as a UA flight. And even though after booking you get them to change the UA flight # from a UA codeshare flight to an LH flight, the 016 ticket stock sticks, and you earn 66,000 RDMs.

(FYI, had the ticket stock been an LH stock, the RDM's earned would be 5790 miles x 150% = 8685 RDMs. Big difference)

Note that sometimes the online upgrading does not work, and you may get an error message to call an 877 number, which is now defunct but still resides on .bomb...Ignore it and just call web support. They might put you on hold while they call LH but they will get the job done.

Eligible Economy Fares to Apply a GPU

Upgradeable to business fares include U/H/Q the lowest eligible economy fares. G&E the two top premium economy fares and Y/B/M the most expensive economy fares. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24219165-post205.html)
While UA has not changed their T&Cs, LH appears to have expanded the potential fare classes
Originally Posted by oliver2002
For C->F upgrade, J, D, C fares are eligible, Z and P fares are not.
Originally Posted by andywaw
Effective April 20th, 2018, all Lufthansa revenue Business Class fares, including P and Z, are eligible to be upgraded to First Class using miles or eVouchers. ...
LH booking class P, Z upgreadable for miles and eVouchers
Appears this also applies to use of UA GPUs IF booked as native flight number on LH or UA ticket stock.
Presently UA is not converting codeshare to native flight numbers, as required for this process, if P or Z fare
From April to September 2018 it was possible to confirm and waitlist P ,Z-class LH flights with a GPU. Confirming and waitlisting is no now longer possible, but previously waitlisted segments will continue to clear as/if available.

Checking for Upgrade Availability

Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24861289-post342.html)

In case of upgrade clearing but eticket refresh problems:

Originally Posted by oliver2002
Both longhaul LH segments cleared into I after being on waitlist . The first didnt get stickered, so the DCS ( amadeus altea ) rejected online and agent checkin . The eticket helpdesk had to manually update the first coupon for the DCS to accept the coupon. My seat in C was safe, since the PNR was updated correctly, just the ticket was not updated completely to the satisfaction of the DCS. Everyone looking at the booking agreed the upgrade was legit, so you will not be denied boarding or downgraded, just budget enough time
Originally Posted by oliver2002
The LH GA must have called the eticket helpdesk and pointed out the * SSR remark in your reservation that shows an upgrade was applied and the e-ticket just needed a fix/sticker. See my experience above.
Checking for availability prior to calling
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too.
Use ANA or even united.com to see availability.

To check if C/F upgrades may open up, ask in this thread: Determining LH Y/C/F loads? [the help me guesstimate loads thread]

Regarding ticket stock, Oliver reports:
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Any ticket stock will do.
Each LH flight segment requires a separate GPU
A single GPU can be used to only upgrade a single LH flight segment, And that GPU cannot be extended to include another LH flight segment or another UA flight segment.


Problems getting mileage credit for upgraded LH segments

Numerous reports of denial of mileage credits (RDMs, PQMs, PQSs, PQDs) for upgraded tickets. This issue is probably due to LH uses the same fare bucket for mileage awards and upgrades. It seems patience, persistence, and documentation of the originally paid fare are needed to get credit.

You probably won't get credit by simply submitting the online form or asking a CSR to do so for you. A CSR needs to submit a System Issue Form, together with the mileage request, explaining that you flew in I class, but you paid for a mileage-earning booking class.

T-10

While the original system did not allow the upgrade waitlist to carry on past t-10 hours, the have been multiple reports that this is no longer the case. If not cleared in advance - the upgrade wait-list will last all the way until the door closing. UA has not updated the text on the LH GPU upgrades to reflect this change.

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Old Sep 11, 2018, 7:11 pm
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November 9 on LH730 (MUC-HKG) - booked in D class. Any thoughts on whether this will clear to First? Thanks in advance.

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Wanted to apply a GPU to IAD-FRA UA codeshare P fare. Tried calling United to have them convert flight to Lufthansa flight codes. They said their will be a $800 fee as Lufthansa flights were more expensive. I don’t remember reading anywhere in the thread that conversion to LH codes incurs a cost. Please advice.
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Old Sep 12, 2018, 12:21 am
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Originally Posted by hokiebuy
...Wanted to apply a GPU to IAD-FRA UA codeshare P fare. Tried calling United to have them convert flight to Lufthansa flight codes. They said their will be a $800 fee as Lufthansa flights were more expensive. I don’t remember reading anywhere in the thread that conversion to LH codes incurs a cost. Please advice.
As you will find in this thread, UA has regularly declined to convert codeshare P fares. The speculated reason is the fare differential issue and/or the availability of the LH P fare vs UA codeshare inventory.

Additionally, the UA rules still disallow usage of GPUs on P fares -- notwithstanding there presently is a loophole that system allows application on LH coded P fares.

So what you heard is what most have been hearing.
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Originally Posted by teryyz
November 9 on LH730 (MUC-HKG) - booked in D class. Any thoughts on whether this will clear to First? Thanks in advance.
388s are always tough, but I'll wager a guess that F7 on a Friday night is going to look good for a GPU.
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Old Sep 12, 2018, 1:26 am
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
So what you heard is what most have been hearing.
I believe the reported refusal rate on a P fare is 100%.
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Old Sep 12, 2018, 6:21 pm
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I believe the reported refusal rate on a P fare is 100%.
Then, slightly off-topic question: I could've booked this fare directly with Lufthansa for same price and potentially netting more RDMs and equal PQMs and have a shot at GPU. However, United change fee is predictable $293 as fare difference is almost $0 as long as same fare class is available (which it usually is) - my main reason for booking via United.

I've had terrible experience with fare difference on Air France where they always wanted huge chunk of change for fare difference even when same fare class was available. How's Lufthansa?
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Old Sep 12, 2018, 6:31 pm
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How's Lufthansa?
TATL, they should have parity with UA on fare rules. Every TATL P fare I've seen has been published identically between UA and LH. For example, I just looked at a AUS-ZRH P fare; $500 change fee if ticketed on UA; $500 if ticketed on LH. $293 sounds like €250; presumably for a different fare (maybe ex-Europe?)

All of the other conditions (e.g, fare differences, etc.) would be the same too.

Just, watch out, because I've seen some non-changeable P fares. I haven't found any on JV routes yet, but I'm sure they're coming, if they haven't yet arrived.
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Old Sep 12, 2018, 9:04 pm
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388s are always tough, but I'll wager a guess that F7 on a Friday night is going to look good for a GPU.
Thanks - hope your wager turns out to be correct!

Out of curiosity, are upgrades to First on the Lufthansa a380-800 more difficult to get than on the 747-8l? I'm 4/4 on upgrades on the 747-8l on flights in/out of Frankfurt. This is my first attempt on the a380-800.
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Old Sep 13, 2018, 1:03 am
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Just, watch out, because I've seen some non-changeable P fares. I haven't found any on JV routes yet, but I'm sure they're coming, if they haven't yet arrived.
There are a few. LH codes them with 'NC' in the second and third letter of the fare basis.... so if the fare starts with PNC....
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Originally Posted by jsloan
TATL, they should have parity with UA on fare rules. Every TATL P fare I've seen has been published identically between UA and LH. For example, I just looked at a AUS-ZRH P fare; $500 change fee if ticketed on UA; $500 if ticketed on LH. $293 sounds like €250; presumably for a different fare (maybe ex-Europe?)

All of the other conditions (e.g, fare differences, etc.) would be the same too.

Just, watch out, because I've seen some non-changeable P fares. I haven't found any on JV routes yet, but I'm sure they're coming, if they haven't yet arrived.
Correct - that was it! €250. I just got familiar with looking up fare rules - thanks to your post.

Wow, change fees when origination is US are brutal! "non-changeable P fares" - doesn't sound good! Basically, you have toss the ticket in the bin if you can't fly that date.
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There are a few. LH codes them with 'NC' in the second and third letter of the fare basis.... so if the fare starts with PNC....
Thanks, need to avoid these!
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Old Sep 13, 2018, 10:13 am
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Originally Posted by hokiebuy
Correct - that was it! €250. I just got familiar with looking up fare rules - thanks to your post.

Wow, change fees when origination is US are brutal! "non-changeable P fares" - doesn't sound good! Basically, you have toss the ticket in the bin if you can't fly that date.
Happy to help.

And, yes, I agree on both counts -- the $500 is brutal, but it's still a lot better than not being able to use the ticket at all. It's essentially the "Basic Economy" approach to business class, and I hope it dies a swift death, but I have my doubts. A lot of people look no further than the price...
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Old Sep 13, 2018, 12:54 pm
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Originally Posted by hokiebuy
Correct - that was it! €250. I just got familiar with looking up fare rules - thanks to your post.

Wow, change fees when origination is US are brutal! "non-changeable P fares" - doesn't sound good! Basically, you have toss the ticket in the bin if you can't fly that date.
I was burned by the non-changeable P fare last year. I had to change the date (same routing) and was shocked to find out that the P fare that I bought was completely unchangeable! Luckily (hard to even call it that), this occurred on the return segment so I only had to buy a new one-way flight. A pretty harsh lesson to learn, as I always thought changes could be made with a fee.
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Originally Posted by teryyz
Thanks - hope your wager turns out to be correct!

Out of curiosity, are upgrades to First on the Lufthansa a380-800 more difficult to get than on the 747-8l? I'm 4/4 on upgrades on the 747-8l on flights in/out of Frankfurt. This is my first attempt on the a380-800.
388 upgrades generally speaking are more difficult. More J seats, same amount of F seats. Greater likelihood that someone is paying for F too. Had great luck on 388 routes as well incl. IAH-FRA and FRA-SIn but always got the last seat at the gate.
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What are the chances of a J fare GPU clearing on MUC-HKG? its showing 2 seats open with F1 still showing-- Flight is next Monday....

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