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Please read these sources before posting in this thread:If you have calculated the PQDs for a trip at less than 80% of the total cost, you are very likely doing something wrong. Have you made sure to include the International Surcharge (YQ)? Have you read all of the materials linked above, and the frequently made points listed below?
Specific Unanswered Questions
Please limit these to specific, technical questions about the implementation of the PQD program.FMP (Frequently Made Points)
The following points have been made repeatedly in this thread (please feel free to add more concise points):Related Threads
Moderator's Note:- First post from UA Insider (post 1)
- http://www.mileageplusupdates.com/faqs.html
- Additional answers from UA Insider (post 1387)
- more information about questions posed in this thread published to mileageplusupdates.com, per UA Insider
Specific Unanswered Questions
Please limit these to specific, technical questions about the implementation of the PQD program.
- Will there be a calculator that shows PQD, and will that calculator be accurate?
- What exactly will count toward PQD?
United states:
Base fare and carrier-imposed surcharges
Flights flown by United, United Express, or Copa Airlines
Flights operated by a Star Alliance or a MileagePlus partner airline and issued on a United ticket (ticket number starting with 016)
Economy Plus purchases
will count towards PQD.
Thus:
- The amount of co-pay when using miles to upgrade..
- The cost of PQMs/RDMs purchased when using the premier / award accelerator..
- The value of ETCs (or is it considered a discount from the fare?). (still uncertainty on this since prelim PQDs appeared to include) -Note: the Mileage plus site indicates ETC's count towards PQD (12/16/13 imgonnafly)
- The face value e-certs and travel vouchers.. (still uncertainty on this since prelim PQDs appeared to include)
- The cost of a paid upgrade..
- An extra seat purchase (such as for a customer of size or a musical instrument); it does not presently count toward PQM.
- Change fees.
- How will PQD be determined for UA metal segments without 016 stock ticket?
- What happens if I depart in December and return in January?
Just like PQM, PQD for the applicable part of fare for the segment is credited based on the departure date (year) of the segment flown. Segment fares are calculated using standard rules of the past. For the case cited there would be PQD credited in DEC 2013 (no value) and PQD applied to 2014 applicable to 2014 and 2015 status renewal. - How will UA evaluate the address issue for the PQD exemption?
- It is not clear how the timing of achieving the minimum PQD requirement will impact earning RPUs and GPUs. Examples:
- If someone crosses 75K PQM in say April, but doesn't hit $7500 PQD until December by which time has accrued 200K PQM, will he/she get 10 RPUs all at once? (and 10 GPUs assuming $10k PQD in December)
- Do only 1Ks/GSs earn additional RPUs by flying beyond the 100k mark?
- If a 1K crosses the 100,000 PQM mark in January 201x, the $10,000 PQD mark on December 31 201x, and ends up flying a total of 200,000 PQMs for the year 201x, how many RPUs / GPUs will be earned?
- Will Platinums earn 2 RPUs when crossing the 75k mark but none at incremental levels thereafter (e.g. a Plat who flies 100k EQMs, but does not meet the 1K spend, would *not* earn two more RPUs)?
- If someone crosses 75K PQM in say April, but doesn't hit $7500 PQD until December by which time has accrued 200K PQM, will he/she get 10 RPUs all at once? (and 10 GPUs assuming $10k PQD in December)
- How does IRROPs affect earning of PQDs?
The following points have been made repeatedly in this thread (please feel free to add more concise points):
- You might not be hitting the PQD minimums as easily as you think you are, given exceptions, taxes, and the existence of cheap fares.
- It is possible for leisure travelers and even some business travelers to average well under 10cpm. This doesn't just affect "leisure 1Ks" and people on the edge of categories.
- Presidential Plus card members (exempted from Silver/Gold/Plat PQD requirements) are most likely exempted because the FlexPQM program would complicate matters.
- Manufacturing $25,000 spend might not actually be so hard. There's a whole forum on it.
- The exceptions don't really make sense where there is a revenue-sharing joint venture in place, such as with LH on TATL routes.
- Leaving UA for AA over objections to dollar-based status may be futile because all the majors will likely go to this model with the possible exception of the AS program which allows you to bank your DL and AA miles into one account (DL has already).
- UA is tracking spend on UA metal now.
- YQ, also known as the "international surcharge," is a carrier-imposed surcharge and is included in PQD.
2014 version of this thread can be found here:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1536552-mileageplus-premier-qualifying-dollar-pqd-requirement-discussion-thread-2014-a-15.html
iluv2fly
Moderator, UA
MileagePlus Premier Qualifying Dollar (PQD) Requirement Discussion [ARCHIVE]
#3391
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: MDE
Programs: AA EP, CM PP, AV GM, UA Silver, SPG Gold, Hilton Diamond, Hyatt Plat, Marriott Plat, Accor Plat
Posts: 1,002
I wouldn't call myself a "big spender," but I will continue to qualify for 1K unless something unforeseen changes in my travel habits. That is certainly a possibility, as referenced in a post above, my crystal ball is also broken. In fact, looking back over my life, I actually think my crystal ball is defective.
All we can do at this point is hope that our benefits will be enhanced, even if it is only by reduced competition with nothing else improved in the hard or soft product. I continue to be amazed by UA's tight-lipped disclosure of the details as evidenced in the unanswered questions in this thread's wiki.
While I think the people at UA are for the most part quite friendly, failing to answer our questions about the coming year's program details as we now near mid October is certainly NOT a "friendly" business practice by any definition. Having been well on my way to requalifying for 1K when the changes were announced, I now feel as if I'm trapped in a casino where I'm required to stay active on the craps table. I'm not an unhappy UA customer, but I do find this lack of transparency to be very disturbing, and more so as each day passes without a peep. What are they afraid of?
All we can do at this point is hope that our benefits will be enhanced, even if it is only by reduced competition with nothing else improved in the hard or soft product. I continue to be amazed by UA's tight-lipped disclosure of the details as evidenced in the unanswered questions in this thread's wiki.
While I think the people at UA are for the most part quite friendly, failing to answer our questions about the coming year's program details as we now near mid October is certainly NOT a "friendly" business practice by any definition. Having been well on my way to requalifying for 1K when the changes were announced, I now feel as if I'm trapped in a casino where I'm required to stay active on the craps table. I'm not an unhappy UA customer, but I do find this lack of transparency to be very disturbing, and more so as each day passes without a peep. What are they afraid of?
#3392
Join Date: Oct 2005
Programs: Continental
Posts: 1,590
At least when you are playing craps in a casino you know what the rules are, and they don't change them on you.
#3393
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 58,134
While I think the people at UA are for the most part quite friendly, failing to answer our questions about the coming year's program details as we now near mid October is certainly NOT a "friendly" business practice by any definition. Having been well on my way to requalifying for 1K when the changes were announced, I now feel as if I'm trapped in a casino where I'm required to stay active on the craps table. I'm not an unhappy UA customer, but I do find this lack of transparency to be very disturbing, and more so as each day passes without a peep. What are they afraid of?
#3394
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: NYC
Programs: AADULtArer
Posts: 5,871
I wouldn't call myself a "big spender," but I will continue to qualify for 1K unless something unforeseen changes in my travel habits. That is certainly a possibility, as referenced in a post above, my crystal ball is also broken. In fact, looking back over my life, I actually think my crystal ball is defective.
All we can do at this point is hope that our benefits will be enhanced, even if it is only by reduced competition with nothing else improved in the hard or soft product. I continue to be amazed by UA's tight-lipped disclosure of the details as evidenced in the unanswered questions in this thread's wiki.
While I think the people at UA are for the most part quite friendly, failing to answer our questions about the coming year's program details as we now near mid October is certainly NOT a "friendly" business practice by any definition. Having been well on my way to requalifying for 1K when the changes were announced, I now feel as if I'm trapped in a casino where I'm required to stay active on the craps table. I'm not an unhappy UA customer, but I do find this lack of transparency to be very disturbing, and more so as each day passes without a peep. What are they afraid of?
All we can do at this point is hope that our benefits will be enhanced, even if it is only by reduced competition with nothing else improved in the hard or soft product. I continue to be amazed by UA's tight-lipped disclosure of the details as evidenced in the unanswered questions in this thread's wiki.
While I think the people at UA are for the most part quite friendly, failing to answer our questions about the coming year's program details as we now near mid October is certainly NOT a "friendly" business practice by any definition. Having been well on my way to requalifying for 1K when the changes were announced, I now feel as if I'm trapped in a casino where I'm required to stay active on the craps table. I'm not an unhappy UA customer, but I do find this lack of transparency to be very disturbing, and more so as each day passes without a peep. What are they afraid of?
The rules for qualifying and consuming FFM have always been, both subject to and in practice, constantly changing. ( lousy construction)
#3396
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 3
Hi all!
I can't seem to find a clear answer to this. I know miles aren't pooled with family members, but it sure seems like the PQD would be a good candidate for pooling if it's not.
If I buy tickets for my family, does that count as spend on my account, or on each individual account?
If it's individual, that's not too bright on their part, if they're trying to track how much you spend with the airline.
Thanks
I can't seem to find a clear answer to this. I know miles aren't pooled with family members, but it sure seems like the PQD would be a good candidate for pooling if it's not.
If I buy tickets for my family, does that count as spend on my account, or on each individual account?
If it's individual, that's not too bright on their part, if they're trying to track how much you spend with the airline.
Thanks
#3397
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 5,814
Hi all!
I can't seem to find a clear answer to this. I know PQMs aren't pooled with family members, but it sure seems like the PQD would be a good candidate for pooling if it's not.
If I buy tickets for my family, does that count as spend on my account, or on each individual account.
If it's individual, that's not too bright on their part, if they're trying to track how much you spend with the airline.
Thanks
I can't seem to find a clear answer to this. I know PQMs aren't pooled with family members, but it sure seems like the PQD would be a good candidate for pooling if it's not.
If I buy tickets for my family, does that count as spend on my account, or on each individual account.
If it's individual, that's not too bright on their part, if they're trying to track how much you spend with the airline.
Thanks
#3398
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: 12 stops from ORD
Programs: UA, AA, DL
Posts: 992
One consideration. The kind of traveller who is planning 2014 trips for status is exactly the traveller they are NOT aiming for. HVF plan trips around biz needs, not FF plans, and meet/exceed the PRASM targets on every flight. I'm not a high spender PRASM wise ( although 10k spend is about 3-4 months for me) but I can plan very few 2014 trips at this point if any. I do know ill need to be Asia end January, for instance, but actual hard dates won't congeal until mid Jan.
The rules for qualifying and consuming FFM have always been, both subject to and in practice, constantly changing. ( lousy construction)
The rules for qualifying and consuming FFM have always been, both subject to and in practice, constantly changing. ( lousy construction)
Agree with this.
The Only 1k ranks that I can see being thinned are those who live on the coasts and fly mainly transcons. I don't see most business travelers being able to consistently book for <.12/mi, especially those living in the middle of the country.
#3399
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: LAS - I'm All In!
Programs: UA 1K 1MM, Marriott PP
Posts: 3,639
Agreed completely. I'm at a "cheap airport" and I am at 18.5 cpm (with taxes) for my work trips mostly booked within the 10 day timeframe, some of which I have flown very generous routings on (for instance LAS-LAX-IAH-ABQ) to get extra miles. Without those generous routings I'd probably be into the 25-30 cpm range.
#3400
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: MDE
Programs: AA EP, CM PP, AV GM, UA Silver, SPG Gold, Hilton Diamond, Hyatt Plat, Marriott Plat, Accor Plat
Posts: 1,002
One consideration. The kind of traveller who is planning 2014 trips for status is exactly the traveller they are NOT aiming for. HVF plan trips around biz needs, not FF plans, and meet/exceed the PRASM targets on every flight. I'm not a high spender PRASM wise ( although 10k spend is about 3-4 months for me) but I can plan very few 2014 trips at this point if any. I do know ill need to be Asia end January, for instance, but actual hard dates won't congeal until mid Jan.
The rules for qualifying and consuming FFM have always been, both subject to and in practice, constantly changing. ( lousy construction)
The rules for qualifying and consuming FFM have always been, both subject to and in practice, constantly changing. ( lousy construction)
My father is in a nursing home in Dallas, so I want to get back up there at least once/month to visit as long as that option exists. I need to plan my business travel around those visits so I'm not flying back and forth between the states and Latin America even more often, so I book flights to Dallas or Orlando in advance, then book my domestic travel more close-in. Still, there are always some last minute trips that I have to make for reasons that come up unexpectedly.
I can use my Medellin address to avoid the PQD requirement, but I don't want to lose any promotions that might come up in the future by not being on the U.S. list. I've also got some ecerts and Travel Bank to use, and I want to make sure I don't spend them at the wrong time if they don't count.
It's not at all unusual for me to buy my way into J or F, but I try to do it prudently. Whether my buy-ups will count is an important factor for me, as are the Award Accelerator purchases, should I choose to make any. (I sometimes buy RDMS, not PQMs.)
I don't think there is any way I can spend less than PQ$10,000/year, no matter how hard I might try, but I do want to make informed decisions. Status is a consideration. I like it. Unfortunately, however, I don't have the luxury of planning my 2014 trips with that consideration alone. I would still be flying if they ended the MP program all together.
#3401
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: London; Bangkok; Las Vegas
Programs: AA Exec Plat; UA MM Gold; Marriott Lifetime Titanium; Hilton Diamond
Posts: 8,755
#3403
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: MDE
Programs: AA EP, CM PP, AV GM, UA Silver, SPG Gold, Hilton Diamond, Hyatt Plat, Marriott Plat, Accor Plat
Posts: 1,002
Interesting question. In thinking back to the days before deregulation, I would fly the airline that met my needs in terms of scheduling, comfort, previous experiences and budget. I'm sure I would return to that model, assuming MileagePlus wouldn't go away unless all FF programs went away.
If only MileagePlus were to end, then I'd become a slave to some other airline.
If only MileagePlus were to end, then I'd become a slave to some other airline.
#3404
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Hoboken, NJ; Pembroke Pines, FL
Programs: CO Gold, SPG Gold
Posts: 2,939
And is the assumption that elites flying less won't be replaced by other fliers who are choosing to fly purely based on network and price?
#3405
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Virginia, USA
Posts: 4,519
What reasoning leads to this leap? Are people going to fly less because they are a lower elite level? Or will they switch to another airline that doesn't have a PQD requirement? (is that only AA/US at this point?)
And is the assumption that elites flying less won't be replaced by other fliers who are choosing to fly purely based on network and price?
And is the assumption that elites flying less won't be replaced by other fliers who are choosing to fly purely based on network and price?