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Specific GPU and RPU usage questions thread
#1021


Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA 1K MM,Marriott platinum,ihg spire
Posts: 153
RPU usage
Hi,
yesterday, I took a flight with a collegue of mine .
Initially, we were both on the same PNR and RPU was applied for both of us on both the outbound and inbound legs.
Upon checkin, the PNR got split.
On the outbound flight yesterday, neither of us got upgraded.
Today, I see the the following on the website
1) My inbound flight still shows upgrade requested
2) on my collegue's PNR, then inbound flight no longer shows upgrade requested
3) 1 RPU has been deposited to my account
What I would like to figure out is where that deposited RPU comes from
1) is it from my collegue's reservation where it no longer shows upgrade requested ?
2) or is from mine or my collegue's outbound flight that we both failed to upgrade ? If so, why would only 1 be redeposited instead of the 2 ?
Is there any way to figure this out ?
yesterday, I took a flight with a collegue of mine .
Initially, we were both on the same PNR and RPU was applied for both of us on both the outbound and inbound legs.
Upon checkin, the PNR got split.
On the outbound flight yesterday, neither of us got upgraded.
Today, I see the the following on the website
1) My inbound flight still shows upgrade requested
2) on my collegue's PNR, then inbound flight no longer shows upgrade requested
3) 1 RPU has been deposited to my account
What I would like to figure out is where that deposited RPU comes from
1) is it from my collegue's reservation where it no longer shows upgrade requested ?
2) or is from mine or my collegue's outbound flight that we both failed to upgrade ? If so, why would only 1 be redeposited instead of the 2 ?
Is there any way to figure this out ?
#1022


Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: LHR (sometimes CLE, SFO, BOS, LAX, SEA)
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Posts: 5,915
You (or she) should include salient details like:
(*) Booked in coach in seat 17B. Her record locator is [xxx] and her e-ticket number is [yyy].
(*) Applied a confirmable upgrade instrument gifted from her child
(*) Upgrade apparently did not clear, she boarded in coach (17B boarding pass was scanned and she boarded the plane)
(*) Online, the united.com Web site shows that her upgrade was confirmed and she was assigned seat 1A, but this never happened.
(*) She was traveling with her spouse, in seat 17A with record locator [aaa] and e-ticket number [bbb], who can confirm that she was never notified of an upgrade for her seat.
(*) United, when contacted, says that they they cannot return the upgrade instrument because the traveler flew in business class.
If United in fact processed an upgrade her but left her in coach, she would like United to treat this as a downgrade situation and apply their internal policy documented under "GG OVS DOWNGRADE", providing a $1500 e-certificate plus refund of the upgrade instrument.
She should additionally ask United to review whether *someone else* flew in seat 1A. Did the seat go out non-empty, occupied perhaps by a friend of a gate agent or an employee? These sort of "shenanigans" are extremely rare but not unheard of and it should be concerning that the agents you've talked to aren't aware of the possibility or interested in investigating ( http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/conti...ty-ensues.html ).
You've made a reasonable effort to get UA to look into this (you called at least twice) and you've gotten nowhere. File the DOT complaint and your mom will get a follow-up call from UA corporate offices within a couple of weeks with a thorough investigation and correct explanation of what happened.
Not so. If OP's mom boarded before the UG cleared, it was absolutely the GA's discretion as to whether to go onboard, locate her and have her swim upstream. All depends on the GA, what other tasks there are and how the boarding process is going.
If the choice is delaying the push vs. finding a pax who has forfeited the UG by boarding, that's an easy one for the GA (and the other pax).
I realize that this is awkward when the recipient is not a regular flier as a GPU-user would ordinarily be, but the only way to assure that this works is to ask the GA for direction. Some will guarantee that they will come find you. Others will tell you to wait at the gate and others may tell you that you may board and that they will do their best to come find you, but without any guarantees.
If the choice is delaying the push vs. finding a pax who has forfeited the UG by boarding, that's an easy one for the GA (and the other pax).
I realize that this is awkward when the recipient is not a regular flier as a GPU-user would ordinarily be, but the only way to assure that this works is to ask the GA for direction. Some will guarantee that they will come find you. Others will tell you to wait at the gate and others may tell you that you may board and that they will do their best to come find you, but without any guarantees.
The suggestions I outline above are (I think) the best possible strategy for the OP to get the best possible outcome for themselves. Whether UA made the correct choice here for operational efficiency or whatever other reason is up for them to determine and they may well decide that for some exogenous reason they made the "right" call that best maximized passenger happiness.
#1023


Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: SF Bay Area
Programs: None - previously UA
Posts: 5,395
Not so. If OP's mom boarded before the UG cleared, it was absolutely the GA's discretion as to whether to go onboard, locate her and have her swim upstream. All depends on the GA, what other tasks there are and how the boarding process is going.
If the choice is delaying the push vs. finding a pax who has forfeited the UG by boarding, that's an easy one for the GA (and the other pax).
I realize that this is awkward when the recipient is not a regular flier as a GPU-user would ordinarily be, but the only way to assure that this works is to ask the GA for direction. Some will guarantee that they will come find you. Others will tell you to wait at the gate and others may tell you that you may board and that they will do their best to come find you, but without any guarantees.
If the choice is delaying the push vs. finding a pax who has forfeited the UG by boarding, that's an easy one for the GA (and the other pax).
I realize that this is awkward when the recipient is not a regular flier as a GPU-user would ordinarily be, but the only way to assure that this works is to ask the GA for direction. Some will guarantee that they will come find you. Others will tell you to wait at the gate and others may tell you that you may board and that they will do their best to come find you, but without any guarantees.
2. My understanding is the gate controls the upgrade process if they process it they have a obligation to find and upgrade the passengers. if they were in a hurry to push the flight they wouldn't have processed the upgrade list.
I agree downgrade compensation and a GPU refund is in order.
#1024
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Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: PHX
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#1025
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SFO
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#1026


Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: BDL/NYC/BOS
Programs: UA/*A Gold, Global Entry, Marriott Plat, Hilton+IHG Gold, Hertz PC, DL
Posts: 1,781
searched for 'double' and got nothing relevant....
i have a IAH-IAD segment in late january on a 3-class 777. assuming i get CPU'd into to a BF seat, will i then be able to apply an RPU move up to GF?
i understand it's probably a "waste" of an RPU, but i want to do it simply for the novelty of GF before it's eliminated.
i have a IAH-IAD segment in late january on a 3-class 777. assuming i get CPU'd into to a BF seat, will i then be able to apply an RPU move up to GF?
i understand it's probably a "waste" of an RPU, but i want to do it simply for the novelty of GF before it's eliminated.
#1027
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Location: Honolulu Harbor
Programs: UA 2MM 1K
Posts: 16,591
searched for 'double' and got nothing relevant....
i have a IAH-IAD segment in late january on a 3-class 777. assuming i get CPU'd into to a BF seat, will i then be able to apply an RPU move up to GF?
i understand it's probably a "waste" of an RPU, but i want to do it simply for the novelty of GF before it's eliminated.
i have a IAH-IAD segment in late january on a 3-class 777. assuming i get CPU'd into to a BF seat, will i then be able to apply an RPU move up to GF?
i understand it's probably a "waste" of an RPU, but i want to do it simply for the novelty of GF before it's eliminated.
I used a RPU only once to get into a GF seat domestically and that was on way to Europe from Hawaii. Wanted to sleep from SFO to IAD after red-eye flight from Maui.
#1028

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Tri Valley Area Northern CA
Programs: UA GS
Posts: 581
A couple of weeks ago, I booked a SFO-ORD flight on a 767 for Dec 15. I upgraded at that time with a RPU. Recently, my CPU upgrades have been hit or miss (i.e. last ORD-SFO flight, I was #11). So, I decided it was worth a RPU to ensure a lie flat seat
This morning (27 hours before flight), I checked the flight and saw a lot of First Class seats still open (i.e. R=8). I called and asked to have my RPU re-deposited back into my account. The 1k agent understood, and placed me on hold (for about 5 minutes). She came back, told me it was completed, and said I should have a good chance for an upgrade via CPU. About 90 minutes later, I received notification that I was upgraded.
I was ambivalent about re-depositing the RPU as I expected a "hassle". However, it went very well, the 1k agent knew immediately what I was trying to do, and was very pleasant about the whole transaction.
IIRC, I believe the re-deposit of a RPU can only be achieved if the booking class was available. Example, if your original booking was T, there must be seats available in T in order to be placed back into coach.
This morning (27 hours before flight), I checked the flight and saw a lot of First Class seats still open (i.e. R=8). I called and asked to have my RPU re-deposited back into my account. The 1k agent understood, and placed me on hold (for about 5 minutes). She came back, told me it was completed, and said I should have a good chance for an upgrade via CPU. About 90 minutes later, I received notification that I was upgraded.
I was ambivalent about re-depositing the RPU as I expected a "hassle". However, it went very well, the 1k agent knew immediately what I was trying to do, and was very pleasant about the whole transaction.
IIRC, I believe the re-deposit of a RPU can only be achieved if the booking class was available. Example, if your original booking was T, there must be seats available in T in order to be placed back into coach.
#1029
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Only a problem if you had cleared and need to downgrade. If you have not cleared, you can withdraw the request anytime. In the case of a mileage request, there is the possibility of a mileage redeposit fee for some.
#1030
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As noted by others, it's technically "United Business" and "United First" on domestic routes. BF and GF nomenclature and service apply only to international flights.
#1031




Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: London, UK
Programs: AA Plat, LAN Comodoro, LH SEN, Flying Blue Plat
Posts: 495
I have a GPU expiring 1/31/2015. Can I use it on a LH Y->J upgrade that I have already issued but will be departing in July 2015?
#1032
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#1033


Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Wesseling, NRW, Germany
Programs: LH SEN, UA *S , MR LT Titanium, HH Diamond, Hertz PC
Posts: 4,059
Seems this is the way to go. I researched a little further and found out that the upgrade has indeed confirmed, however since the "native" reservation is a) in a different GDS (Amadeus) and b) on an OAL-ticket, that native reservation currently has two enties for the same flight, one in confirmed business and one for the same flight in confirmed economy.
Seems that the TA must resolve this by clearing up the original reservation in Amadeus and revalidate the ticket manually to reflect the change made by the confirming upgrade...and that is probably what triggered the time-change eMail and also the fact that the reservation on united.com does not show up as in R-class.
Seems that the TA must resolve this by clearing up the original reservation in Amadeus and revalidate the ticket manually to reflect the change made by the confirming upgrade...and that is probably what triggered the time-change eMail and also the fact that the reservation on united.com does not show up as in R-class.
So I called United and the agent fixed the problem while I was on the phone by manually attaching the GPU to the flight and removing the Economy segment, so now everything looks correct on ual.com.
Greetings - Dirk
#1034




Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: LAX IAH AMS
Programs: UA GS 2MM
Posts: 1,431
What fare class needs to be open to use a GPU for C to F?
I had a position change recently and will be flying overseas on more UA metal than before... mainly IAD-DXB. I know that PN needs to be open for GS to go from Y to C, but what about a Biz fare to F?
Last edited by avi8tir; Dec 16, 2014 at 1:41 pm
#1035


Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: LHR (sometimes CLE, SFO, BOS, LAX, SEA)
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Posts: 5,915
Instrument-supported upgrades to three-cabin first book into ON, per http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...uckets-ua.html



