chinatraderjmr

Thank you for my laugh of the day.

Unfortunatly there are many new millionaires in America who clearly have no shame, and more balls then brains but damn good lawyers who can convince anyone it's not your fault for not expecting your coffee to be hot & the darn people that dared heat up that coffee must be held accountable. There are hundreds of cases like that famous McDinalds case every year & it makes me so proud to be an American each time I read about a new one,

HumbleBee

+1

We're becoming the laughing stock of the world.


I am not a lawyer, but I hope a court would find a reason to strike down this pathetic DOT regulation. If business can't flourish in this country nobody will gain. Making a company pay an unlimited or abritary amount for a mistake doesnt make sense. What if I set up a script to make a million bookings, the regulation would allow me to bankrupt United?

Boraxo

Correction - no airline has ever offered tickets for 4 miles. None. Zero. Zip.

So yes - we are 100% certain that every individual who made a reservation knew that it was a mistake. No exceptions. Nada.

And any who have not already flown will get exactly the value of what they "paid." I am also certain of that.

travelkid

You have been corrected as you didnt reference the newspaper article in your statement. You still seem to be unsure whether multi city did show the original price. It didnt. And intnl multicity could also be something like HKG-BKK-SIN one way in Y/C. There are so many nuances that the black and white people refuse to see.

My personal knowledge includes what I have posted, but most of the knowledge better not be posted. Dont get the content in brackets, but typically this forum is one where you use a nick. Posting your real name can lead to many unpleasant unintended consequences. Should be obvious.

I would have a problem not too laugh myself listening to all UA wiggling. "We notified in a timely manner", "The issued ticket was a mistake" etc.

What remains to be seen is how this was a mistake, and analysis on this thread suggests multiple mistakes- which would be far less tolerable to a judge than just "a mistake.

I guess you read glossy papers headlines, and havent bothered to read the court case? I havent read the whole case either but I dont use it to make argument. But if you get served a cup of coffee that is totally full and still boiling hot in the stress of a drive in, isnt that possibly creating a potentially harming situation with no warnings?

First part is absolutely true. And to comment aon the second part. Besides the fact that doing so makes it more difficult/impossible to claim you didnt know it was mistake, it would only be possible in theory to do that many in the time frame we had. System stopped the bookings after x bookings. But lets say it didnt, and someone chanced it paying taxes, no changes etc, and UA collected and waited a week or 2 to cancel- yes then they should go bankrupt if it meant so. But it would never happen, as the person that did these bookings would then get nothing. Rather settle.

Also companies go bankrupt every day due to making market mistakes. If UA board bought 50 instead of 5 new B787s with no fallout clauses (mistake), and there was a new Wall street crack the next day, well they do go bankrupt.

I dont get all the sympathy for UA on a broader scale. Some states have 3 strikes out. There were more than 3 mistakes along the way before UA cancelled.

chinatraderjmr

I have NO sympathy for UA here, none, nada, zip . I wish more people got away with flying on these tickets. But I also have NO sympathy for anyone who's tkts were cancelled (that's part of the game & I'm sure most people knew that could happen). So the people that just have walked away, good for them & better luck next time but those crying to the DOT or worse, thinking about SCC are without shame. I have less sympathy for them for 2 reasons. The first is the DOT has finally passed some important regulations to protect the public. Using this 4 mile deal as a test for this is ridiculous as UA obviously took advantage of no one & it just makes the DOT look bad (they can't win here) On the same side if the coin, the reason to go to court, either SCC or Federal/State court is so you can fight someone who took advantage of you, hurt you or cost you money. The idea if you win is for the court to make you whole again. What did anyone lose here? Again, nothing. If anyone really booked non refundable hotel nights based on this (and i dont believe anyone did) they are morons but yes, they deserve to get that money back. They just better damn well be able to prove they lost that money

travelkid

I dont get you. You have to be unethical if you dont post with your full name?? Why dont you then? Should you be ashamed? Did you consider the multiple other reasons I mentioned to use a nick? Like about 350 000 other members do? Pls let me know what those 350K members, especially those few hundred that posted on this thread deserve for protecting their privacy

Im pointing out on a general basis that multiple mistakes are not looked upon as easy as one single mistake. No point of discussion if you dont agree to the basics in terms of rhetorics, philosophy,psychology or just plain logic.

Im with you on this one.

For most its just the beneift of the bargain. But you seem to think all those 6000 tickets were just booked from home, and then shortly after cancelled, and that no one actually looped this into preplanned travel, or made other HKG related plans. Thats just wrong. I have 100% evidence that people booked for instance flights to HKG. Then they needed to stay in HKG or make other flight plans when UA backed out. I doubt many did make non ref hotels though, unless they had plans anyway. Your absolute doesnt hold true, and you further contradict yourself when you ask the to prove something (meaning its posible) you just said is impossible

Global321

Maybe you should read the thread. This thread is NOT about an Asia fare in coach. This is about TPAC in international first... for 4 miles.

Got it. I will add you to the long list of super secret experts. You are right, no one should use their real names. I mean if everyone knew I was the Chief Justice of the Supreme... oooo I almost said too much.

travelkid

Excuse me. I read the whole thread, which I stated earlier. You cant even have read the thread title, so I will quote it for you (probably the only poster that didnt get it?):
"UAs Official Response to HKG Ticketing/IT Error: Redeem @ Correct Amount or Redeposit"

This meaning all tickets booked on the error, and discussion around that.

Your list will be long! Add all FT members, minus max a handful^

chinatraderjmr

Of course not. One of the great things about the Internet is you can be annonymous. I was responding to a specific comment on this specific thread. I would never post my name (not to hide from UA but cuz it's no ones business who I am. Unfortunatly, annonomous posting make people grow very brave. That could be a good thing when you get opinions that may not be popular. But like anything, as the Internet grows so do the number of postings that are pure fantasy. It's gotten to be a joke about how if you read it on the net, it MUST be true. I'm not saying anyone here has been untruthful, but when someone says they know something (someone that used a tkt, someone that is taking UA to court, someone UA is settling with), these posts must be taken w a grain of salt

planemechanic

Have you actually read that McDonald's case? There is much more to it than most people think. It could have been settled for a few thousand in Doctors bills, and should have been settled. McDonald's was on notice from prior lawsuits for serving what amounted to a dangerous product, and the women in question suffered second degree burns. The only stupid thing about this case is the way McDonald's handled it.

Youngmiler

The McDonalds case is quite complex, the lady was wearing sweat pants and the liquid was absorbed by the pants causing a lot of burns, but it was proven that McDonalds was serving coffee exceptionally hot in comparison to tradition temperature of coffee.

You also have to take into consideration sue happy attitude of Americans

RTW1

That's why it always makes me laugh when people use this case as an example where it all went wrong. There's are quite a few arguments to be made that they should have settled earlier and maybe lowered the temp of the coffee. Some facts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck...7s_Restaurants

But I haven't heard a single fact in this thread that would swing me as jury to have any compassion with people who expect a 4mile F ticket. I would stick them with the legal bills or fine them if that's possible for wasting time.

travelkid

Absloutely, but this is a "downgrade" from your previous bold accusations.

HumbleBee

(This thread has been quite for way too long)


Thanks for pointing this out, I never knew. If someone wants to read more about it, I just strolled across an explanation of the case and discussion of it at http://www.quora.com/News/What-are-s...ure#ans1512561

First answer. You must be a Quora member to access it, and IIRC you need a current Quora member to invite you in order to join.

talljames

Received from Mr Taday this morning in response to an email yesterday:

Mr. talljames:

There is nothing new to report. We will notify you once the DOT makes its decision.