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Old Dec 18, 09, 9:09 am
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Originally Posted by as219 View Post
You're kidding right?

A top-end Gulfstream is upwards of $50 million, not including operating costs. Putting aside the fact that it lacks the range for many destinations, this is way more expensive than paying UA a couple hundred thou a year to fly F.
Ditto. I have done about 350,000 miles a year for the last umpteen years and private air, except for the occasional trip to Vegas, has never crossed my mind.
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Old Dec 18, 09, 9:42 am
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Originally Posted by TRAVELSIG View Post
Very true- even with Netjets (or similar) 25 hours on a larger jet costs ~400K per year.
"25-hour pre-paid lease starts at $132,900*** in a Citation V Ultra. "

or $5300/hour for one pax. Those prices don't include taxes, so lets say $6K/hour, AI.

Why do I need a larger jet?

Netjets makes sense when one is traveling with others. E.g. four transcons in F might cost $22K AI, for 10 hours of flying or $2.2K/hour versus $1500/hour for netjets.

Given ua1flyer flies with his fiance and son, at $2K/hour for a party of 3, NetJets might make sense, especially when factoring in the time saved with boarding and de-planing.

However, at 700K BIS per year, ua1flyer is likely flying lots of long hauls. The folks that I know who have a fractional share find that it is cheaper to fly the long hauls in commercial full fare F (about $1K/hour), and then use their fractional for intra-Asia/intra-Europe travel.
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Old Dec 18, 09, 10:02 am
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I am glad ua1flyer is getting the media coverage. It was a pleasure exchange PMs with Tom last year during the Elite Team Competition, and had him offered valuable input to the Elite Team Competition Master Thread.

I am taking the credit for him signing up to Flyertalk last August.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/10261011-post667.html

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Old Dec 18, 09, 10:13 am
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Originally Posted by UA_Flyer View Post
II am taking the credit for him signing up to Flyertalk last August.
I had the pleasure of meeting ua1flyer on a SFO-LAX flight in August of 2008; he noticed the FlyerTalk tag on my backpack and asked me a bit about the site and what it was about.
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Old Dec 18, 09, 10:17 am
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Originally Posted by as219 View Post
You're kidding right?

A top-end Gulfstream is upwards of $50 million, not including operating costs. Putting aside the fact that it lacks the range for many destinations, this is way more expensive than paying UA a couple hundred thou a year to fly F.
look on the used market.
its much cheaper in the long run.
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Old Dec 18, 09, 10:24 am
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I say more power to fellow FTer ua1flyer. ^

It puts our own puny 140,000 BIS EQM for 2009 in perspective (albeit all "recreational") and makes me feel a little less eccentric.
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Im just trying to imagine what his flight memory might look like, more specifically his flight map, with that much flying, i doubt anyone has time to record that much info
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Originally Posted by as219 View Post
You're kidding right?

A top-end Gulfstream is upwards of $50 million, not including operating costs. Putting aside the fact that it lacks the range for many destinations, this is way more expensive than paying UA a couple hundred thou a year to fly F.
not in this economy!

I have a real hard time wrapping my head around the viability of this at all. Not just because it means more than 2K miles a DAY, but having worked nearly a decade in the auto industry at the highest levels, I don't recall any person either IN the enterprise or consulting from outside who was ever needed or VALUABLE that often in that many different places.

ops, QA, marketing, SALES even, none of this ever required anywhere near this much input on a daily basis, AND we and other majors were very clear NOT to utilize outsiders who were currently working with other participants in the INDUSTRY, let alone other manufacturers.

Even the guys who were setting up remote locations for manufacturing and assembly, weren't going back and forth or here and there anywhere NEAR this often on a weekly basis. And THIS was a decade ago, when we didn't have such global internet, communciations, video conferencing, etc. I just don't get/see it.

I honestly think some of this has to be DEQM for this YEAR or previous years (we HAVE had DEQM for at least the past three years) AND it could also mean maybe miles added?

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Old Dec 18, 09, 11:37 am
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I want to hear more about the Helicopter.
I have no idea what they are talking about. That reference was nothing about me.
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Originally Posted by nmenaker View Post
I have a real hard time wrapping my head around the viability of this at all. Not just because it means more than 2K miles a DAY, but having worked nearly a decade in the auto industry at the highest levels, I don't recall any person either IN the enterprise or consulting from outside who was ever needed or VALUABLE that often in that many different places.
+1

I'm just really curious to see what sort of job requires someone to be in the air that much. And then the next question which is - how effective can that person actually be?
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Old Dec 18, 09, 11:52 am
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Originally Posted by FlyinHawaiian View Post
I had the pleasure of meeting ua1flyer on a SFO-LAX flight in August of 2008; he noticed the FlyerTalk tag on my backpack and asked me a bit about the site and what it was about.
It is true. It was your FT hat I noticed,and that got me started with FT, however UA_Flyer has been a great FT friend and I appreciate all the work he has done to make FT more fun.

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I have a real hard time wrapping my head around the viability of this at all. Not just because it means more than 2K miles a DAY, but having worked nearly a decade in the auto industry at the highest levels, I don't recall any person either IN the enterprise or consulting from outside who was ever needed or VALUABLE that often in that many different places.

ops, QA, marketing, SALES even, none of this ever required anywhere near this much input on a daily basis, AND we and other majors were very clear NOT to utilize outsiders who were currently working with other participants in the INDUSTRY, let alone other manufacturers.

Even the guys who were setting up remote locations for manufacturing and assembly, weren't going back and forth or here and there anywhere NEAR this often on a weekly basis. And THIS was a decade ago, when we didn't have such global internet, communciations, video conferencing, etc. I just don't get/see it.

I honestly think some of this has to be DEQM for this YEAR or previous years (we HAVE had DEQM for at least the past three years) AND it could also mean maybe miles added?
About the miles. This year I will have flown just a little less than 700k, and yes that is BIS. With all this DEQM, my Total EQM will end up just shy of 1.5 million. As far as what I do, Ido sales and managment training. Where cars are sold is where I have the ability to work. Ifell in love with Australia and it's people about 25+ years ago and have trained there regularly since. I also vacation quite regularly. The woman I am involved with and I have taken at least 50 honeymoons in places all over the world. Life is to short. A while back I decide to work to live and not live to work. As I have mentioned previously, I have 2 sons, one in high school and the other works and travels with me alot. He will become a million miler next month. P.S. I don't know who YOU work for , but if you work in the Auto industry, maybe you could use my help.

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Old Dec 18, 09, 12:21 pm
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Originally Posted by ua1flyer View Post
About the miles. This year I will have flown just a little less than 700k, and yes that is BIS. With all this DEQM, my Total EQM will end up just shy of 1.5 million.
^ FTers should be able to comprehend this. Heck, there are people who don't believe (or can't understand why) we fly our puny 100,000 EQM annually.

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Old Dec 18, 09, 5:43 pm
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Originally Posted by ua1flyer View Post
It is true. It was your FT hat I noticed,and that got me started with FT, however UA_Flyer has been a great FT friend and I appreciate all the work he has done to make FT more fun.
It was so much fun working with you on last year's Elite Competition Thread. I am also on the road a lot (more next year). Hopefully we will get a chance to catch up in person while we are traveling next year.
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Originally Posted by UA_Flyer View Post
It was so much fun working with you on last year's Elite Competition Thread. I am also on the road a lot (more next year). Hopefully we will get a chance to catch up in person while we are traveling next year.
I look forward to it........keep in touch.P.S. I am supposed to be on FOX NY sunday am at about 8:15. I am going to try to give a shout out to FT.
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Old Dec 18, 09, 10:57 pm
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I just read the article mentioned in the OP, and had personally experienced a few perks mentioned in the article.

To name a few examples,

1. Gate agent waited for me at the gate when I landed, and escorted me to the lounge ( I was not a RCC member nor flying international) and rebooked me from a cancelled flight to the next best flight to fit my schedule.

2. I had gate agent/baggage handler dropped everyting to retrieve my bags from a cancelled flight to a rebooked flight at IAD recently. It was unreal, while others (including the elites) were having to wait. I was a little embarassed.

3. Dedicated agent tracking my lost bags and reimburse my out-of-pocket expenses

I am no way doing as much as Tom, but I am on the road a lot, and Global Serices has been great during irregular operations.
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