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Misco60 Dec 9, 2021 10:32 am


Originally Posted by Silver Fox (Post 33798325)
Interstingly I stumbled across this today, and it does make me wonder.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b4170b891e.png

The mere existence of a mask mandate does not, in itself, affect infection rates: what matters is the level of compliance. In my experience, throughout the latter half of this year, a similar number of people have been wearing face coverings in England (where there is no requirement to do so) as in Scotland and Wales (where it is a legal requirement). Young people, in particular, openly flout the law, and it is this age group that has been driving infections.

There is no way of knowing what the infection rate would be in Scotland and Wales if the existing law were properly enforced.

Misco60 Dec 9, 2021 10:34 am

The Guardian is reporting that singing in a supermarket will be a valid excuse for not wearing a face covering under England's new regulations.

Under plan B, which was enacted by the prime minister yesterday, face coverings will become compulsory in most public indoor venues in England from tomorrow, including cinemas, theatres and places of worship, but not gyms, bars or restaurants.

Boris Johnson stated yesterday that there was an exemption for singing.

This was mainly seen as being applicable to places of worship where a mask should be worn during the service but could be removed to sing carols or hymns.

But officials confirmed today this would also be applicable to other indoor settings.

Asked whether a shopper could therefore remove their mask in Tesco if they were singing, it was confirmed that would be within the rules, as would removing the mask to sing in a theatre.

DaveS Dec 9, 2021 11:02 am


Originally Posted by Misco60 (Post 33798676)
The Guardian is reporting that singing in a supermarket will be a valid excuse for not wearing a face covering under England's new regulations.

Imagine if that applied to an aircraft too. How annoying would that be!

HGOLI Dec 9, 2021 1:07 pm


Originally Posted by DaveS (Post 33798778)
Imagine if that applied to an aircraft too. How annoying would that be!

I was on a half empty KLM day flight LHR JNB several years ago, when suddenly,a large group of people started singing! Turns out it was a group from SA (I think) who had been in Europe (I'm sure they were called the Afrika Mamas, but may be wrong, could have been a similar group) They received a large round of applause from pax and crew after brightening up the flight for 15 mins or so, with the cabin crew especially thoroughly enjoying it!

Dan1113 Dec 10, 2021 3:17 am

Am I the only one getting increasingly paranoid (for the first time in a LONG time) about doing stuff out and about? This weekend I have a theatre show and dinner, and next week the cinema on both Tuesday and Thursday. I have four tests, two of which are PCR, to do over the course of my two week Christmas travels, and with omicron about now, I am actually finding myself getting really, really nervous to the point that it is not sensible anymore. I have bought FFP2 masks to wear for these things but it still seems risky. We are all triple-dosed now, but that doesn't seem to count for too much with omicron, and the third dose was only last Sunday so not exactly very strong yet.

Misco60 Dec 10, 2021 4:20 am


Originally Posted by Dan1113 (Post 33800479)
We are all triple-dosed now, but that doesn't seem to count for too much with omicron, and the third dose was only last Sunday so not exactly very strong yet.

I think being triple-dosed actually counts for a lot, in that you are unlikely to get seriously ill or die, though it probably won't stop you getting infected in the first place. But the last thing you want is an infection ruining your travel plans, so extra care and precautions are definitely sensible.

Misco60 Dec 10, 2021 4:25 am

The Guardian (and others) are reporting that passenger numbers at Heathrow last month were down 60% on pre-pandemic levels, that there have been "high cancellations" for Christmas and that they expect passenger numbers to still be only about half the usual level by the end of next year.

Heathrow passenger numbers down 60% as cancellations mount | Heathrow airport | The Guardian

DaveS Dec 10, 2021 4:40 am


Originally Posted by Misco60 (Post 33800569)
The Guardian (and others) are reporting that passenger numbers at Heathrow last month were down 60% on pre-pandemic levels, that there have been "high cancellations" for Christmas and that they expect passenger numbers to still be only about half the usual level by the end of next year.

Heathrow passenger numbers down 60% as cancellations mount | Heathrow airport | The Guardian

Here is a graphic I have put up before. The only difference for the first two is the horizontal scale.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...598a33d6a4.png

8420PR Dec 10, 2021 5:00 am


Originally Posted by Dan1113 (Post 33800479)
Am I the only one getting increasingly paranoid (for the first time in a LONG time) about doing stuff out and about? This weekend I have a theatre show and dinner, and next week the cinema on both Tuesday and Thursday. I have four tests, two of which are PCR, to do over the course of my two week Christmas travels, and with omicron about now, I am actually finding myself getting really, really nervous to the point that it is not sensible anymore. I have bought FFP2 masks to wear for these things but it still seems risky. We are all triple-dosed now, but that doesn't seem to count for too much with omicron, and the third dose was only last Sunday so not exactly very strong yet.

The risk hasn't immediately changed from one week to the next, and while omicron is spreading through the community in the UK it is still likely in very small numbers. The peak of an omicron wave is expected for the end of January (source: Welsh First Minister Mark Drakeford on Tuesday) - so while the chances of being in contact with a person infectious with covid is relatively small the chances of being in contact with someone infectious with the omicron variant is miniscule at the moment.

I hope your Christmas trip works out.- Germany updated the RKI risk areas today and didn't add any more areas of variants of concern - I think they tend to approach things rationally and not adding countries based on a handful of cases.

VSLover Dec 10, 2021 5:05 am


Originally Posted by Dan1113 (Post 33800479)
Am I the only one getting increasingly paranoid (for the first time in a LONG time) about doing stuff out and about? This weekend I have a theatre show and dinner, and next week the cinema on both Tuesday and Thursday. I have four tests, two of which are PCR, to do over the course of my two week Christmas travels, and with omicron about now, I am actually finding myself getting really, really nervous to the point that it is not sensible anymore. I have bought FFP2 masks to wear for these things but it still seems risky. We are all triple-dosed now, but that doesn't seem to count for too much with omicron, and the third dose was only last Sunday so not exactly very strong yet.

yes but only because i still have a xmas trip home to SFO and im in that phase where i just do not want to risk catching anything that would make me cancel due to pre-departure testing.

mentally a very different place than pre-vaccine. but also here in the UK i just feel different than the prior two months in the EU where i had to show proof to get into any restaurant, and people were at least being sensible. i feel like our sensibility here in the UK went out the window some time around freedom day? but i mean even if we did have vaccine passes for restaurants here now, i still wouldnt risk it solely because i want to make this trip!

Dan1113 Dec 10, 2021 5:50 am

BBC News - Covid: Scotland facing 'tsunami' of Omicron cases
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59610582

Over 5k today, with scotgov saying omicron will take over delta by end of next week?! Are other countries in Europe on similar trajectories or are we ahead (and thus more likely to be banned in reviews next week)?
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Scots_Al Dec 10, 2021 6:05 am


Originally Posted by Dan1113 (Post 33800690)
BBC News - Covid: Scotland facing 'tsunami' of Omicron cases
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59610582

Over 5k today, with scotgov saying omicron will take over delta by end of next week?! Are other countries in Europe on similar trajectories or are we ahead (and thus more likely to be banned in reviews next week)?
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That press conference felt very much like the warm up to restrictions if some sort being reimposed very soon.

The FM said she would again be raising the question of funding for furlough with U.K. Ministers (Scotgov doesn't have the legal powers needed to implement).

The _Banking_Scot Dec 10, 2021 7:29 am

Hi
Per the bbc report
Also from tomorrow in Scotland household contacts of those who test positive for covid need to self isolate for 10 days regardless of testing or vaccination status.
non household contacts can be released after a negative pcr test

Felt safer and less worried in dubai last week:(

Regards

Tbs

Silver Fox Dec 10, 2021 7:59 am

It's all getting rather silly now.

Blackwaya Dec 10, 2021 8:00 am

Exited Scotland yesterday, seems like not a moment too soon. TBH, the feel on the street from being in Inverness, Edinburgh and Glasgow is that the -vast- majority of Scottish feel the FM can bugger right off. I suspect if full restrictions come back, the FM won't be in that role for much longer.


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