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Originally Posted by 13901
(Post 32924668)
Pictorial view of the new tiers in England courtesy of the BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55489932 Also, from Gov.uk, there have been 616,933 people who have received the 1st dose of the vaccine by 20/12 in England, at a rate of around 51,000/day. I don't think the govt is worried about case numbers that much anymore, it is more worried about hospitalisations/deaths. So if you vaccinate over 50% of the over 65's then you will really start to see a rapid improvement on the state of play. I really got from Boris' body language today that they have run out of measures to take (e.g. lockdowns), hence talking so much about the vaccine. Let's see what happens in Israel, as they have vaccinated over 25% of the over 65's and with the rate they are vaccinating they will likely be the first to reach herd immunity through vaccination, so I think they will be a few weeks ahead of the UK so keep a close eye on how they are doing. |
A million a week means over a year to vaccinate everybody, 2 million a week more than 6 months. Considering that the threshold of vaccinated people that effectively means that infections are unlikely to happen oscillates between 60 and 80% (depending on who you ask), it'll take between 40 and 53 weeks to get there if they can do one million vaccinations a week. Half that time if they can do 2. Given that the majority of the population (under 60, no physical issues) is at the bottom of the pile I don't see a lot changing before at least the summer. Maybe we'll be able to go to the pub after Easter, but intercontinental travel? Doubt it.
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Yeh, I am also skeptical just how quickly we can get vaccines rolled out, considering that administering a vaccine to someone has to be done by a qualified medical practitioner. Unless they change the rules, there's little opportunity to redeploy people on furlough for vaccine rollout (eg. airline staff), where are the resources going to come from for vaccine rollout? It's not like we have loads of appropriate medical staff just twiddling their thumbs.
I suspect that 2021 is going to be a lean year for traveling without ongoing COVID risk, PCR tests, and disruption. |
Originally Posted by 13901
(Post 32925683)
... but intercontinental travel? Doubt it.
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Originally Posted by plunet
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Yeh, I am also skeptical just how quickly we can get vaccines rolled out, considering that administering a vaccine to someone has to be done by a qualified medical practitioner. Unless they change the rules, there's little opportunity to redeploy people on furlough for vaccine rollout (eg. airline staff), where are the resources going to come from for vaccine rollout? It's not like we have loads of appropriate medical staff just twiddling their thumbs.
. Don't conflate 'medical' with 'clinical' And there are many, many retired clincal staff who are being recruited and given update training to give the vaccinations as part of the programme. |
Originally Posted by UKtravelbear
(Post 32925833)
So nurses can't administer vaccines? Nurses give far more vaccinations / injections than most medical staff ever do!
Don't conflate 'medical' with 'clinical' And there are many, many retired clinical staff who are being recruited and given update training to give the vaccinations as part of the programme. |
I am sure it has been reported on the BA board by current cabin crew that some furloughed ones are being trained to give vaccines.
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Originally Posted by plunet
(Post 32925849)
Yep my mistake to conflate medical and clinical. But where these recruits are up for being drawn out of retirement they are being drawn from the same pool of people to assist with front line clinical response, nightingale hospitals etc. It's not like there is an infinite pool of resource available, and there is considerable pressure across the system.
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Jeez. Anyone can give this injection with or without training. Just get the thing done and let's get back to normal.
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Originally Posted by Silver Fox
(Post 32925877)
Jeez. Anyone can give this injection with or without training. Just get the thing done and let's get back to normal.
Vaccines must then be distributed and deployed. Moderna’s can be stored in normal freezers, but Pfizer’s requires ultracold storage such as dry ice. Both require two doses. Tracking these will be challenging for a country without comprehensive national or state vaccination records, and with a poor history of measuring vaccine uptake at the local level. Pfizer’s and Moderna’s vials contain five(-ish) and 10 doses, respectively; these must be used within hours of being opened, which poses logistical challenges for rural clinics that serve widely dispersed communities. And while many vaccines come in ready-to-go syringes, these were developed too quickly to add such conveniences; health-care workers must remember how to thaw and prepare each dose. (Think of the vaccines as cars whose airbags and engines were tested thoroughly, but whose dashboards need work.) All of this must be done in the middle of a pandemic, in part by understaffed and overworked public-health departments. “We are trying to plan for the most complex vaccination program in human history after a year of complete exhaustion, with a chronically underfunded infrastructure and personnel who are still responsible for measles and sexually transmitted diseases and making sure your water is clean,” |
Originally Posted by fransknorge
(Post 32925903)
Nope, the mRNA vaccine were done quickly enough that they are not simple to inject and it does require training.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...ar-two/617528/ |
They were/are recruiting people through the Royal Voluntary Service to be trained by St John Ambulance to give the vaccine.. and those people would just be just off the street (with some basic training of course).
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I know it's the Daily Mail... but this is worrying :-
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-regimen.html Pfizer warned today there is 'no data' to show a single dose of its coronavirus vaccine provides long-term protection, after the UK scrapped its original jab rollout plan. The UK medical regulator is now recommending Covid jabs are given in two doses three months apart, rather than over the intended four-week period, to allow millions more people to be immunised over a shorter time period. The strategy will apply to both Pfizer/BioNTech's vaccine and the newly approved jab by Oxford/AstraZeneca, despite limited data around the effectiveness of the initial doses. It is a direct response to spiking Covid cases and hospitalisations across the UK that are being driven by a new, highly-infectious strain that emerged in the South East England in September. Virtually the whole of England is facing brutal lockdown until the spring, with Covid vaccines the only hope of ending the devastation. Health bosses now want to give as many people as possible an initial dose, rather than holding back the second doses, so more of the population can enjoy at least some protection. AstraZeneca praised the move and revealed it had tested the three-month strategy on a small sub-group of trialists in its studies. But Pfizer said there was 'no data' in its studies to show its vaccine protects against Covid when taken 12 weeks apart. |
Originally Posted by Silver Fox
(Post 32925877)
Jeez. Anyone can give this injection with or without training. Just get the thing done and let's get back to normal.
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Originally Posted by DYKWIA
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I know it's the Daily Mail...
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