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Originally Posted by KARFA
(Post 32918627)
yes, so currently tier 4 is the same as lockdown 2 rules. I guess as you say the next step is going to lockdown 1 rules.
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Originally Posted by KARFA
(Post 32918572)
unfortunately for the OP I agree with this. the Scottish law is states you cannot leave a level 4 area to travel within Scotland, and cannot leave Scotland all together unless for a reasonable excuse. There is a list of what is considered a reasonable excuse, and whilst this isn't intended to be exhaustive I can't see that the potential trip fits explicitly or even within the spirt of any of them.
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It's a pity that NI isn't publishing any figures at the moment; it'd be great to see how its lockdown is going.
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Originally Posted by pandaloverx
(Post 32919223)
Thank you everyone. I think I might just wait until we are out of tier 4 to be on the safe side. I know a girl who travelled during the national lockdown to see her spouse and was fine but she was in England, Scotland might vary. I’m a Scottish resident and he is an American resident, we are filing for our visa soon to close the distance. The US allows entry as spouses are exempt from their entry bans due to discretion at CBP as normal etc but it’s leaving the U.K. im worried about.
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Originally Posted by flashware
(Post 32921652)
So if I read that correctly - your primary residence is Scotland. Your husband's primary residence is in the US. So, if you're moving to the US for good then that's permittable. If you're going over there just to visit, then it's not. However, I suppose that then depends on whether it's a support bubble (assuming you don't already have one with someone in the UK), in which case that's possibly allowable travel?
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Originally Posted by Radiation Station
(Post 32921673)
Support bubbles are for UK residents to form with other UK residents, under UK law and covid guidance. No such entity exists in the US, as far as I know, and it’s clearly taking the mickey to suggest your support bubble lives in another continent. What’s to stop me forming a support bubble with a mail order bride in a part of the world I fancy a holiday in?
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Originally Posted by flashware
(Post 32921687)
It's a bit of a grey area. My other half has formed a support bubble with her sister in Ireland and at the moment plans to travel, falling in line with all their relevant restrictions also. They do have the same principle so it seems within the spirit of the regulation. Their mother passed away recently, hence the reason for the trip.
I can't speak to what the US does or does not have in place but merely offered an alternative point of view. |
Originally Posted by Radiation Station
(Post 32921690)
Yeah, sorry if I came across as aggressive. I was trying to be tongue in cheek about the entire thing. The government does suggest that your support bubble should live near you. I’m unsure what the legal text explicitly permits. I just can’t see it being seen as reasonable to have a support bubble in a country some distance from the UK, though.
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With the ongoing exponential increase in cases, with numbers in the 30000-thousand range per day over Christmas, 41385 yesterday increasing to 53135 today, it sounds like that more areas of England will be moving to tier 4, and there is widespread speculation of a Tier4+ being discussed. We are likely to find out more for England tomorrow by the sounds of it. Stay safe everyone.
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Originally Posted by plunet
(Post 32921765)
With the ongoing exponential increase in cases, with numbers in the 30000-thousand range per day over Christmas, 41385 yesterday increasing to 53135 today, it sounds like that more areas of England will be moving to tier 4, and there is widespread speculation of a Tier4+ being discussed. We are likely to find out more for England tomorrow by the sounds of it. Stay safe everyone.
Looks like they have run out of options regarding measures and are instead vaccinating as quickly as they can. They seem to have accepted hospitals will be packed for now and will just have to manage with what they have. |
From 31 December these are the changes in full for England tiers - the amending legislation is here https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/...0201654_en.pdf
Tier 1 area The areas of the following are within the Tier 1 area— South West Isles of Scilly Tier 2 area The areas of the following are within the Tier 2 area— North West Cumbria County Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Halton Borough Council (moving to Tier 3 from 31 December) Knowsley Metropolitan Borough Council (moving to Tier 3 from 31 December) Liverpool City Council (moving to Tier 3 from 31 December) Sefton Borough Council (moving to Tier 3 from 31 December) St. Helens Borough Council (moving to Tier 3 from 31 December) Wirral Metropolitan Borough Council (moving to Tier 3 from 31 December) Yorkshire and The Humber: City of York Council (moving to Tier 3 from 31 December) North Yorkshire County Council (moving to Tier 3 from 31 December) East Midlands Rutland County Council (moving to Tier 3 from 31 December) West Midlands Herefordshire (moving to Tier 3 from 31 December) Shropshire Council (moving to Tier 3 from 31 December) Telford and Wrekin Borough Council (moving to Tier 3 from 31 December) Worcestershire County Council (moving to Tier 3 from 31 December) South West Bath and North East Somerset Council (moving to Tier 3 from 31 December) Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Cornwall (moving to Tier 3 from 31 December) Devon County Council (moving to Tier 3 from 31 December) Dorset Council (moving to Tier 3 from 31 December) Plymouth City Council (moving to Tier 3 from 31 December) Torbay Council (moving to Tier 3 from 31 December) Wiltshire Council (moving to Tier 3 from 31 December) Tier 3 area The areas of the following are within the Tier 3 area— North West Blackburn with Darwen Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Blackpool Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Bolton Metropolitan Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Bury Metropolitan Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Cheshire East Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Cheshire West and Chester Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Lancashire County Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Manchester City Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Oldham Metropolitan Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Rochdale Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Salford City Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Stockport Metropolitan Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Tameside Metropolitan Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Trafford Metropolitan Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Warrington Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Wigan Metropolitan Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) North East Darlington Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Durham County Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Gateshead Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Hartlepool Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Middlesbrough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Newcastle upon Tyne City Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) North Tyneside Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Northumberland County Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Redcar and Cleveland Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) South Tyneside Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Stockton-on-Tees Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Sunderland City Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Yorkshire and The Humber Barnsley Metropolitan Borough Council Calderdale Metropolitan Borough Council City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council Doncaster Metropolitan Borough Council East Riding of Yorkshire Council Hull City Council Kirklees Metropolitan Borough Council Leeds City Council North Lincolnshire Council Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council Sheffield City Council Wakefield Metropolitan District Council North East Lincolnshire Council East Midlands Derby City Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Derbyshire County Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Leicester City Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Leicestershire County Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Lincolnshire County Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Northamptonshire County Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Nottingham City Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Nottinghamshire County Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) West Midlands Birmingham City Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Coventry City Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Dudley Metropolitan Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Sandwell Metropolitan Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Solihull Metropolitan Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Staffordshire County Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Stoke-on-Trent Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Walsall Metropolitan Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Warwickshire County Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Wolverhampton Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) South East Isle of Wight (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) New Forest District Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) South West Bristol City Council Gloucestershire County Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) North Somerset Council Somerset County Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) South Gloucestershire Council Swindon Borough Council (moving to Tier 4 from 31 December) Tier 4 area The areas of the following are within the Tier 4 area— South East All of Hampshire County Council: [Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council East Hampshire District Council Eastleigh Borough Council Fareham Borough Council Gosport Borough Council Hart District Council Havant Borough Council Rushmoor Borough Council Test Valley Borough Council] and Portsmouth City Council Southampton City Council Winchester City Council Bracknell Forest Council Brighton and Hove City Council Buckinghamshire Council Eastbourne Borough Council Elmbridge Borough Council Epsom and Ewell Borough Council Guildford Borough Council Hastings Borough Council Kent County Council Lewes District Council Medway Council Mole Valley District Council Oxfordshire County Council Reading Borough Council Reigate and Banstead Borough Council Rother District Council Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead Runnymede Borough Council Slough Borough Council Spelthorne Borough Council Surrey Heath Borough Council Tandridge District Council Waverley Borough Council Wealden District Council West Berkshire Council West Sussex County Council Woking Borough Council Wokingham Borough Council East of England Basildon Borough Council Bedford Borough Council Braintree District Council Brentwood Borough Council Cambridgeshire County Council Castle Point Borough Council Central Bedfordshire Council Chelmsford City Council Colchester Borough Council Epping Forest District Council Harlow District Council Hertfordshire County Council Luton Borough Council Maldon District Council Milton Keynes Council Norfolk County Council Peterborough City Council Rochford District Council Southend-on-Sea Borough Council Suffolk County Council Tendring District Council Thurrock Council Uttlesford District Council London City of Westminster London Borough of Barking and Dagenham London Borough of Barnet London Borough of Bexley London Borough of Brent London Borough of Bromley London Borough of Camden London Borough of Croydon London Borough of Ealing London Borough of Enfield London Borough of Hackney London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham London Borough of Haringey London Borough of Harrow London Borough of Havering London Borough of Hillingdon London Borough of Hounslow London Borough of Islington London Borough of Lambeth London Borough of Lewisham London Borough of Merton London Borough of Newham London Borough of Redbridge London Borough of Richmond upon Thames London Borough of Southwark London Borough of Sutton London Borough of Tower Hamlets London Borough of Waltham Forest Council London Borough of Wandsworth Council Royal Borough of Greenwich Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames The Common Council, in respect of the City of London The Sub-Treasurer, in respect of the Inner Temple and the Under Treasurer, in respect of the Middle Temple |
Originally Posted by ahmetdouas
(Post 32924281)
Looks like they have run out of options regarding measures and are instead vaccinating as quickly as they can. They seem to have accepted hospitals will be packed for now and will just have to manage with what they have.
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Effectively, the Tiers are a way of branding bigger and bigger groups of often seemingly unconnected restrictions.
Ultimately, those making the decisions, rightly or wrongly, are concerned with getting the R0 below 1. And they have a menu of actions which will theoretically do so. What can you do more than Tier 4? Well, you could further limit numbers in shops, limit distance travelled, have curfews, go for more draconian measures including permission slips to leave your properly (as in France) or masks outside as well as inside (as many countries). What they have decided to do is postpone schools returning, and have that postponed further (including primary schools) in those areas with the highest and most persistent infection rates. This is arguably a form of Tier 5, and not entirely unreasonable, given the supposed increased transmission of this new variant in children. We can argue about timing, effectiveness and other effects of these decisions, of course. I've plenty criticisms on that front, and am absolutely no fan of this government. However, this would appear to be the current status and decision making process. Really hoping the production of the Ox/AZ vaccine is as good as it's hoped to be. I've seen how amazingly effective local medical services can deploy such things if they are able to (here, local pharmacies have been training people up for the 'flu vaccine, and use marquees in spaces like the fire station to get people through in a military-style operation). I hope they let them do so. |
Originally Posted by stut
(Post 32924569)
Effectively, the Tiers are a way of branding bigger and bigger groups of often seemingly unconnected restrictions.
Ultimately, those making the decisions, rightly or wrongly, are concerned with getting the R0 below 1. And they have a menu of actions which will theoretically do so. What can you do more than Tier 4? Well, you could further limit numbers in shops, limit distance travelled, have curfews, go for more draconian measures including permission slips to leave your properly (as in France) or masks outside as well as inside (as many countries). What they have decided to do is postpone schools returning, and have that postponed further (including primary schools) in those areas with the highest and most persistent infection rates. This is arguably a form of Tier 5, and not entirely unreasonable, given the supposed increased transmission of this new variant in children. We can argue about timing, effectiveness and other effects of these decisions, of course. I've plenty criticisms on that front, and am absolutely no fan of this government. However, this would appear to be the current status and decision making process. Really hoping the production of the Ox/AZ vaccine is as good as it's hoped to be. I've seen how amazingly effective local medical services can deploy such things if they are able to (here, local pharmacies have been training people up for the 'flu vaccine, and use marquees in spaces like the fire station to get people through in a military-style operation). I hope they let them do so. |
Pictorial view of the new tiers in England courtesy of the BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55489932 Also, from Gov.uk, there have been 616,933 people who have received the 1st dose of the vaccine by 20/12 in England, at a rate of around 51,000/day. |
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