potentially some movement in which area is in which tier on 16 December, but I am not expecting many changes tbh

There is one change that will affect you when coming in from the USA to visit your mother in England. From Monday 14 December you will now only have to stay in self-isolation for 10 days instead of the 14 days you were were supposed to self-isolate for the last time you visited.

The details are here:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavi...avel-corridors

The rules on self-isolation from 5 Nov 2020 are here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...avel-to-the-uk

If you are going to be in the UK for less that 10 days it should not matter to you whether pubs and restaurants are open or serving at all as you are not allowed to go to them, Neither are you allowed to go for walks, or walk the dog outside your own house and garden - if you are going to obey the rules and restrictions. Nor should you have friends and family as visitors.

There is now specific guidance for the Christmas period here:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/guidance...ristmas-period

What are your plans this time? Remain isolated indoors and follow the UK rules? Join your family for xmas lunch and break all the rules?

Merry Christmas.

:rolleyes:

From the BBC:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55301192

Hardly a surprise, quite a disappointment. Well done London, very well done.

Yes. As discussed upthread, there's not much attention being paid to the rules and i don't suppose that will change should we move to Tier 3. It seems everyone knows that the hotspots are essentially NE London and the commuter towns of the Medway and that they are driving the figures, and people in other parts still feel relatively safe (I make no comment as to whether they actually are relatively safe). However, our duplicitous mayor has persuaded the Government that London is indivisible and should all be treated in the same way - another reason why nobody is paying much attention to the rules, as it no longer really matters what you do.

Well I'll be honest... As a Londoner I do (normally) travel West-to-East and viceversa. I might not travel south of the river but I do go around the city and so does the rest of the community... so it kind of makes sense. And, then again, adherence to rules is pretty rubbish in my local neighbourhood; I hear it's probably worse in East or North London but it doesn't feel, at least to me, that Ealing and Hounslow borough are Taiwan and Tower Hamlet is Brazil.

Khan will do what he always does - nothing. But will blame everyone else. He knows what the issue is and does nothing about it. Same with everything else. Still, his dad was a bus driver so he is down with the working class.

Part of the challenge has been people from the outer boroughs and the SE heading into London to play. Waterloo/London Bridge have been remarkably busy in the last few weeks and from eavesdropping on a few conversations there are plenty of people getting out to shop and play while they could.

All a bit frustrating after a 4 week lockdown caused by the return of schools/universities and The North. 😉

To me both local and central government are to blame and in my limited experience the lack of adherence to guidance is spread throughout the social spectrum, from the young kids from the estates to the posh pensioner going to Waitrose.

Knowing the number of expats in London it'll be interesting to see if travel restrictions are imposed and enforced. If London and Essex go into tier 3 that's LCY, LHR and STN all out of policy for non-essential travel, plus Eurostar services at St Pancras.

My other half is crew at BA and as such she operated quite a few flights over the November/early December lockdown. She flew to places as diverse as ISB, YYZ, DXB and MRS. All flights had varying level of fullness but in all of them there were quite a lot of people who didn't really fit the 'I'm flying on business' bill. Like families with small children, the elderly...

there aren't any travel restrictions under the law in England since 2 December in any tier, so if London moves to tier 3 I wouldn't expect any change. if you live in tier 3 you can continue to travel within England or beyond the UK for whatever reason you like.

So the advice not to travel out of tier 3 is only advice? Oh well that's sorted then. Thanks KARFA!

correct, it is government advice only. the law covering the system since 2 december (see post 352) contains no restrictions on movement for England either within an area or between areas of different tiers.

it seems cases in most london boroughs are increasing? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-55299653

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...29041b472.jpeg

in terms of numbers of cases per 100,000 people, most of the areas currently in tier 3 in other parts of england have significantly lower rates than london which is in tier 2.