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corporate-wage-slave Nov 3, 2020 2:27 pm


Originally Posted by flyslow (Post 32792726)
Where does that leave transit pax? Say someone from Sweden (no self isolation requirement ATM) flies to STN and has onward flight to Canaries same day from LTN? Or has to overnight in STN?
Coming back from Canaries to Sweden via London seems to be OK, as they are returning home, but arriving from Sweden and flying onward to holiday destination they would be breaking the law?

Onward connections staying airside should be OK, I can't see any challenge on that, realistically. If you have to clear the UK Border then you may be questioned, and if that extends to an overnight stay then the hotel could want confirmation as to your arrangements. But my personal take is that an international transfer involving an overnight stay would be covered by reasonable excuse.

antichef Nov 3, 2020 2:32 pm

CWS ... the reality check being the BF will have a hell of a job getting to 38,000 feet and getting into the aircraft to ticket them all? :D

corporate-wage-slave Nov 3, 2020 2:41 pm


Originally Posted by antichef (Post 32792780)
CWS ... the reality check being the BF will have a hell of a job getting to 38,000 feet and getting into the aircraft to ticket them all? :D

I did think of suggesting the Paras would drop by and knock on Door 1L, but that sounded a bit far fetched.

KARFA Nov 3, 2020 3:23 pm

To be replaced by the revised tier system for England with effect from 2 December as detailed in post 352

England National Lockdown - from 5 November

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) (No. 4) Regulations 2020
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/.../contents/made

New National Restrictions from 5 November (Guidance)
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-nati...rom-5-november

- in force from 5 November
- due to expire 28 days after coming in to force
- applies to England only (see other posts for current restrictions in other parts of UK)
- replaces the arrangements for local tier system detailed in post 37

Restrictions on leaving home
- no person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse
- non-exhaustive list of things considered a reasonable excuse include going to buy goods/services from any business which is allowed to remain open (some listed below)
- take exercise or to visit a public outdoor place for the purposes of open air recreation
- to attend an event commemorating Remembrance Sunday
- visit a linked household
- reasonably necessary for you to leave or be outside home for the purposes of work where it is not reasonably possible to work, or to provide from home
- medical needs
- where returning home when you were on holiday immediately before 5 November

There is no restriction on moving between areas or travel/flying per se, but the purpose of the trip needs to be on the basis of a reasonable excuse - so leaving home to go to the airport for flying off on holiday won't be in scope.

Restrictions on gatherings
- no gatherings of two or more people indoors or in a public outdoor space other than for those in the same and/or linked households or the purposes allowed such as work, education etc.
- linked households remain (aka support bubble) for households of one adult

Closure and restrictions on businesses
- closure of non-essential businesses
- those selling food and drink may remain open for takeaway

Enforcement
- can be told to return home, issued with a fixed penalty notice, or prosecuted

ahmetdouas Nov 3, 2020 3:26 pm


Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 32792902)
England National Lockdown - from 5 November

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) (No. 4) Regulations 2020
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/.../contents/made

New National Restrictions from 5 November (Guidance)
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-nati...rom-5-november

- in force from 5 November
- due to expire 28 days after coming in to force
- applies to England only (see other posts for current restrictions in other parts of UK)
- replaces the arrangements for local tier system detailed in post 37

Restrictions on leaving home
- no person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse
- non-exhaustive list of things considered a reasonable excuse include going to buy goods/services from any business which is allowed to remain open (some listed below)
- take exercise or to visit a public outdoor place for the purposes of open air recreation
- to attend an event commemorating Remembrance Sunday
- visit a linked household
- reasonably necessary for P to leave or be outside home for the purposes of work where it is not reasonably possible to work, or to provide from home
- medical needs
- where returning home when you were on holiday immediately before 5 November

There is no restriction on moving between areas or travel/flying per se, but the purpose of the trip needs to be on the basis of a reasonable excuse - so leaving home to go to the airport for flying off on holiday won't be in scope.

Restrictions on gatherings
- no gatherings of two or more people indoors or in a public outdoor space other than for those in the same and/or linked households or the purposes allowed such as work, education etc.
- linked households remain (aka support bubble) for households of one adult

Closure and restrictions on businesses
- closure of non-essential businesses
- those selling food and drink may remain open for takeaway

Enforcement
- can be told to return home, issued with a fixed penalty notice, or prosecuted

Thanks for that. So essentially flying to meet a household bubble is legitimate regardless of where they are, so if anyone has a bubble abroad no issue.

KARFA Nov 3, 2020 3:35 pm


Originally Posted by ahmetdouas (Post 32792906)
Thanks for that. So essentially flying to meet a household bubble is legitimate regardless of where they are, so if anyone has a bubble abroad no issue.

not quite. it still needs to be "reasonably necessary" and it needs to be the only household you have linked with since 14 September - so you can't swap linked households now if you have already been in one.

bear in mind i assume households were consciously not restricted to countries since there may be those living near Scotland or Wales whose linked household is just over the border. whether it is reasonable to have a linked household abroad is something which is less certain. i certainly would not describe it as legitimate regardless or no issue.

Scots_Al Nov 3, 2020 4:18 pm

A little light relief in the shape of The Daily Mash’s take on it:

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...8Ww2jOJ8T4EmcE

ft101 Nov 4, 2020 12:33 am


Originally Posted by Scots_Al (Post 32793010)
A little light relief in the shape of The Daily Mash’s take on it:

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...8Ww2jOJ8T4EmcE

I think Ryan Whittaker may already be posting on this thread. ;)

Silver Fox Nov 4, 2020 1:37 am

Just wear exercise gear wherever you go :)

bluemoon68 Nov 4, 2020 1:41 am


Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 32792924)
not quite. it still needs to be "reasonably necessary" and it needs to be the only household you have linked with since 14 September - so you can't swap linked households now if you have already been in one.

bear in mind i assume households were consciously not restricted to countries since there may be those living near Scotland or Wales whose linked household is just over the border. whether it is reasonable to have a linked household abroad is something which is less certain. i certainly would not describe it as legitimate regardless or no issue.

Welsh regulations certainly frown on travelling long distances for your extended household: "In particular we ask that people think very carefully about possible alternatives before forming extended households which would require extensive travel or travel into areas outside Wales with very high incidence of coronavirus." (https://gov.wales/guidance-extended-...ds-coronavirus) Added to which one of the households must contain only one adult.

KARFA Nov 4, 2020 2:21 am


Originally Posted by bluemoon68 (Post 32794075)
Welsh regulations certainly frown on travelling long distances for your extended household: "In particular we ask that people think very carefully about possible alternatives before forming extended households which would require extensive travel or travel into areas outside Wales with very high incidence of coronavirus." (https://gov.wales/guidance-extended-...ds-coronavirus) Added to which one of the households must contain only one adult.

I think you need to be careful here. Welsh guidance might frown on it, Welsh regulations do not. So having a linked househould a few hours drive away in Wales is not going to be an offence. It is the same as say Tier 3 restrictions in the UK where the guidance says you should refrain from travel, whereas the regulations have no restrictions on movement in or in/out of a Tier 3 area - you would therefore not be committing an offence by travelling around or in/out of a Tier 3 area.

flashware Nov 4, 2020 2:29 am


Originally Posted by Silver Fox (Post 32794068)
Just wear exercise gear wherever you go :)

A certain type of English sub-culture would be just fine here ;)

antichef Nov 4, 2020 3:29 am


Originally Posted by flashware (Post 32794134)
A certain type of English sub-culture would be just fine here ;)

Would that be flashwear? ;)

klan8456 Nov 4, 2020 3:55 am

Australian High Commission in London is encouraging citizens to continue to return home, even during lockdown

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...03-p56axi.html

asdf098 Nov 4, 2020 9:37 am

I've been tracking the edits/updates being made to the Travel section of the lockdown guidance over the past few days. Below is a snapshot showing the text changes from Nov 2 until now. Nothing is completely new or surprising here, but a couple of points I thought are interesting are:
  • Edit to the first sentence, clarifying "if you live in England, you cannot travel ..." Is this a positive sign for non-England-residents, e.g. prospective visitors, passengers planning airport transit, etc.?
  • Addition of "support bubbles" exemption.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...6d69306356.jpg


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