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KSVVZ2015 Mar 9, 2021 7:39 am


Originally Posted by PxC (Post 33087962)
I'll take a stab at this...

It's been widely talked about that supply will ramp up significantly from 15th march, possibly to 4-5m a week. Lets say 4m a week to be safe. Thats all of group 9 (32-33m) done before the end of March, lets just say the end of march. Next is 8m 40-49 year olds, that takes us to mid April, or probably the 3rd week when you consider 2nd doses needed. So final week of April for 30+, and mid May for rest,

I've yet to meet anyone who hasn't suffered from Oxford sides. Mine weren't great , and my gf (healthy 33) was sent to A+E yesterday after a day from hell. When they told her it was a 3hr wait she ignored the advice and came home, but she isn't great today either, albeit better. Not really sure how to handle the second dose (for her) now. I can't really blame her for not wanting to go through this again, and she's never been concerned about catching covid. Is there any other option, or would a vaccine passport be a non starter without the second dose? I think it was CWS that said the second dose of Oxford isn't as bad, so maybe she will change her mind.

I'd think another key criteria is when the threshold is reduced. As CWS has indicated, its not when the age group is vaccinated in full. And as the age groups go down, fewer are going to be rushing to book appointments so the threshold drops may come a bit quicker even if there are a still a lot of unvaccinated people in their 40s if the steady flow of booking slows down more quickly.

adrianlondon Mar 9, 2021 8:10 am


Originally Posted by PxC (Post 33087962)
Not really sure how to handle the second dose (for her) now. I can't really blame her for not wanting to go through this again, and she's never been concerned about catching covid. Is there any other option, or would a vaccine passport be a non starter without the second dose? I think it was CWS that said the second dose of Oxford isn't as bad, so maybe she will change her mind.

Don't ask me for anything to back my comment up, as I can't remember where I read it, but ... I read somewhere that people tend to get side effects either from the first shot or the second, but not both.

HB7 Mar 9, 2021 8:10 am


Originally Posted by PxC (Post 33087962)
I've yet to meet anyone who hasn't suffered from Oxford sides. Mine weren't great , and my gf (healthy 33) was sent to A+E yesterday after a day from hell. When they told her it was a 3hr wait she ignored the advice and came home, but she isn't great today either, albeit better. Not really sure how to handle the second dose (for her) now. I can't really blame her for not wanting to go through this again, and she's never been concerned about catching covid. Is there any other option, or would a vaccine passport be a non starter without the second dose? I think it was CWS that said the second dose of Oxford isn't as bad, so maybe she will change her mind.

That's definitely a concern. Have you heard anything about these side effects being longer than a day or two?

Misco60 Mar 9, 2021 8:16 am


Originally Posted by HB7 (Post 33088105)
That's definitely a concern. Have you heard anything about these side effects being longer than a day or two?

I know about a dozen people who received the AZ jab. All had flu-like symptoms afterwards, and some had quite bad symptoms, but in all cases they started 8-12 hours after the jab and were completely gone 18 hours later.

The night after my first jab was unpleasant, but it doesn't deter me from getting the second one and I wouldn't advise anyone not to have it.

enviroian Mar 9, 2021 9:26 am


Originally Posted by Misco60 (Post 33088118)
I know about a dozen people who received the AZ jab. All had flu-like symptoms afterwards, and some had quite bad symptoms, but in all cases they started 8-12 hours after the jab and were completely gone 18 hours later.

The night after my first jab was unpleasant, but it doesn't deter me from getting the second one and I wouldn't advise anyone not to have it.

My mom had the AZ jab in January. She was shivering so much for 12 hours she was scared. I heard this is common side effect.

I had the moderna jab yesterday here in the US. Nothing but a sore upper arm for 24 hours that's it.

bluemoon68 Mar 9, 2021 10:06 am


Originally Posted by PxC (Post 33087962)
I'll take a stab at this...

It's been widely talked about that supply will ramp up significantly from 15th march, possibly to 4-5m a week. Lets say 4m a week to be safe. Thats all of group 9 (32-33m) done before the end of March, lets just say the end of march. Next is 8m 40-49 year olds, that takes us to mid April, or probably the 3rd week when you consider 2nd doses needed. So final week of April for 30+, and mid May for rest,

I've yet to meet anyone who hasn't suffered from Oxford sides. Mine weren't great , and my gf (healthy 33) was sent to A+E yesterday after a day from hell. When they told her it was a 3hr wait she ignored the advice and came home, but she isn't great today either, albeit better. Not really sure how to handle the second dose (for her) now. I can't really blame her for not wanting to go through this again, and she's never been concerned about catching covid. Is there any other option, or would a vaccine passport be a non starter without the second dose? I think it was CWS that said the second dose of Oxford isn't as bad, so maybe she will change her mind.

Mrs bluemoon had zero reaction to AZ, not even a sore arm.I only had flu like symptoms for a day. According to the webinair from the “Zoe” app 30% of recipients of first vaccine of AZ experience more than a localised reaction and about 20% of Pfizer. Less data for second vaccines, but the figures look to be reversed.

Mrs bluemoon volunteers at local vaccine centres, she said this week for the first time, at the MVAs (so not GP led), anyone over 60 who turned up without an appointment was given a vaccine.

tjcxx Mar 9, 2021 10:14 am

I had the A-Z jab last Friday. I felt cold the rest of the day. Now I realize that may have been a side-effect. At the time I just attributed it to the fact that I did the 40-mile round trip to the vaccination centre in my open car and it was really quite a cold day.

I do have a slightly sore arm still, which I never do with the flu jab.

DaveS Mar 9, 2021 10:43 am

5,711 cases today and 231 deaths. Whilst it was good to see less than 100 deaths for the last two days, today's figure is still in line with the downward trend. It was 343 last Tuesday.

paulaf Mar 9, 2021 11:00 am


Originally Posted by DaveS (Post 33088499)
5,711 cases today and 231 deaths. Whilst it was good to see less than 100 deaths for the last two days, today's figure is still in line with the downward trend. It was 343 last Tuesday.

Average weekly deaths now below 200 at 190, good news.

corporate-wage-slave Mar 9, 2021 11:56 am


Originally Posted by PxC (Post 33087962)
,I've yet to meet anyone who hasn't suffered from Oxford sides. Mine weren't great , and my gf (healthy 33) was sent to A+E yesterday after a day from hell. When they told her it was a 3hr wait she ignored the advice and came home, but she isn't great today either, albeit better. Not really sure how to handle the second dose (for her) now. I can't really blame her for not wanting to go through this again, and she's never been concerned about catching covid. Is there any other option, or would a vaccine passport be a non starter without the second dose? I think it was CWS that said the second dose of Oxford isn't as bad, so maybe she will change her mind.

I'm sorry to hear about that, but please persist to the second dose. Yes, the first Oxford AZ jab can be troublesome, but usually the symptoms should ease after about a day. In my case I felt a bit yuck and lethargic in a non-sleepy way. Section 4 of the Patient Information Leaflet gives the low down of what to expect. The anecdotes I hear is that jab2 is somewhat milder, whereas Pfizer is fairly light on jab1 and more troublesome on jab2. In the case of your girlfriend, I would perhaps suggest a usual dose of paracetomol, if that usually works for her. Though there are some discussions about whether this is wise, in the circumstances she should perhaps think about a medium or low dose of paracetemol a couple of hours before the second jab, but hopefully she will be fine.

Have a Google of the Yellow Card system for Public Health England, though the App version of the Yellow Card is easier to use. And ring 111 if you are still under the cosh, they do have vaccine experts online to help.

We don't know how the vaccine passport - if any - will work, but my hunch is that you will need both doses.

Clutching at straws here, but from an immunity perspective, if you get hefty side effects then typically your IgG scores go sky high a few weeks later. It tends to suggest you have not had Covid-19 before, but also suggests possibly a vulnerability to the disease too. This aspect is being researched, and, without wishing to scare anyone, in the context of so-called Long Covid. So she did the right thing here. This also explains why jab2 becomes easier, the B and T cells have done their job well.

Silver Fox Mar 9, 2021 12:21 pm


Originally Posted by DaveS (Post 33087920)
Lucky me - I received the COVID vaccine party invite earlier today. At 55 I was expecting to wait a few more weeks. I did not notice the SMS for 45 minutes and by the time I did all the tests in my home town were gone and they were disappearing in the next town as I searched for a time. I will drive off the my neighbouring town next Tuesday. The lesson there is to change the SMS notification sound to something that sounds more important and be quick. My second jab is local on June 1st. That must be nearly 11 weeks separation.

Neither wife nor I got a text or a call. We both got a letter. I'd already booked so it was moot, but my wife's advised her to book via the websote and when she did it said something akin to "as you missed your first appointment you have to rebook both"..She is rather unimpressed about being tarred with the no-show brush I have to say.

Silver Fox Mar 9, 2021 12:26 pm


Originally Posted by PxC (Post 33087962)
I've yet to meet anyone who hasn't suffered from Oxford sides. Mine weren't great , and my gf (healthy 33) was sent to A+E yesterday after a day from hell. When they told her it was a 3hr wait she ignored the advice and came home, but she isn't great today either, albeit better. Not really sure how to handle the second dose (for her) now. I can't really blame her for not wanting to go through this again, and she's never been concerned about catching covid. Is there any other option, or would a vaccine passport be a non starter without the second dose? I think it was CWS that said the second dose of Oxford isn't as bad, so maybe she will change her mind.

I had no side effects I am aware of. Went for a 5 mile run the next morning and did a home workout. It's possible any soreness was disguised by exercise but I noticed nothing else. Anecdotally it seems to be that women are suffering more than men from chatting around friends, etc etc.

Internaut Mar 9, 2021 1:03 pm

Side effects... Dad, a neighbour and a friend the same age as me (shielding, so some weeks ago) had virtually no side effects from the AZ jab. Everyone else I know has had varying degrees of side effects. In particular the people I work with.

Had my first shot at 13:45 today (invite to book an appointment by SMS late Sunday). The random GP who did mine said it was hell for him but worth it.

Meanwhile, by comparison to the UK, I see the US CDC is recommending groups of vaccinated people should be able to mingle, without wearing masks.

PxC Mar 9, 2021 1:47 pm


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33088690)
I'm sorry to hear about that, but please persist to the second dose. Yes, the first Oxford AZ jab can be troublesome, but usually the symptoms should ease after about a day. In my case I felt a bit yuck and lethargic in a non-sleepy way. Section 4 of the Patient Information Leaflet gives the low down of what to expect. The anecdotes I hear is that jab2 is somewhat milder, whereas Pfizer is fairly light on jab1 and more troublesome on jab2. In the case of your girlfriend, I would perhaps suggest a usual dose of paracetomol, if that usually works for her. Though there are some discussions about whether this is wise, in the circumstances she should perhaps think about a medium or low dose of paracetemol a couple of hours before the second jab, but hopefully she will be fine.

Have a Google of the Yellow Card system for Public Health England, though the App version of the Yellow Card is easier to use. And ring 111 if you are still under the cosh, they do have vaccine experts online to help.

We don't know how the vaccine passport - if any - will work, but my hunch is that you will need both doses.

Clutching at straws here, but from an immunity perspective, if you get hefty side effects then typically your IgG scores go sky high a few weeks later. It tends to suggest you have not had Covid-19 before, but also suggests possibly a vulnerability to the disease too. This aspect is being researched, and, without wishing to scare anyone, in the context of so-called Long Covid. So she did the right thing here. This also explains why jab2 becomes easier, the B and T cells have done their job well.

Thanks! I’m confident she will end up getting the second, and as today has gone on she’s feeling better but still only about half way there.

ahmetdouas Mar 9, 2021 4:17 pm

So UK test positivity is 0.4%. So not so prevalent then! 5700 cases but 1500000 tests!


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