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rockflyertalk Mar 12, 2021 7:30 am


Originally Posted by Misco60 (Post 33095288)

What I can't wait for, however, is a haircut, and I have just managed to bag an appointment in Cardiff for next Friday, when I'll be in the city for a permitted reason. Hooray for Wales. :D

Have you not mastered the skill of cutting your own hair yet? One of the many skills one can learn during a pandemic :cool:

GregWTravels Mar 12, 2021 7:36 am


Originally Posted by Dan1113 (Post 33095077)
Do we have a list of what health conditions actually trigger an earlier blue envelope through the door with a vaccination date?


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33095083)
Yes.

https://assets.publishing.service.go..._12Feb2021.pdf

Table 3 gives the general list, and there is a separate link for Clinically Extremely Vulnerable (who should all have been done some time ago).

I'm 50 and live in Hammersmith, and on a whim I tried booking an appointment earlier this week and got one (at the Science Museum no less!) for next Tuesday (16 March), and then 2nd Jab on 2 June. I told a friend who lives in Wandsworth and is 51 to try, and she was told she wasn't eligible yet. I figured must be related to an underlying health condition for me, and got a text from the NHS today saying I could book if I hadn't already due to an underlying condition.

Looking at that list, though, I don't qualify. I do have some health conditions (a BMI over 30, but not over 40 as on the list; and hypertension, though not with any complications). I wonder if they are expanding the underlying conditions from that initial list to be a bit more liberal?

Anyway, long and short of the story is it's worth checking on the website to see if you can get a vaccine appointment.

paulaf Mar 12, 2021 7:49 am


Originally Posted by GregWTravels (Post 33095415)
I'm 50 and live in Hammersmith, and on a whim I tried booking an appointment earlier this week and got one (at the Science Museum no less!) for next Tuesday (16 March), and then 2nd Jab on 2 June. I told a friend who lives in Wandsworth and is 51 to try, and she was told she wasn't eligible yet. I figured must be related to an underlying health condition for me, and got a text from the NHS today saying I could book if I hadn't already due to an underlying condition.

Looking at that list, though, I don't qualify. I do have some health conditions (a BMI over 30, but not over 40 as on the list; and hypertension, though not with any complications). I wonder if they are expanding the underlying conditions from that initial list to be a bit more liberal?

Anyway, long and short of the story is it's worth checking on the website to see if you can get a vaccine appointment.

It just blocks me on the date of birth, can't get past that.

Swanhunter Mar 12, 2021 7:50 am

A number of London boroughs are being encouraged to work further down the priority groups to keep the vaccination numbers moving, especially those boroughs where there are communities with lower take up rates. It’s logical from a public health point of view to limit the chains of transmission that might otherwise lead to a local outbreak.

GregWTravels Mar 12, 2021 7:54 am


Originally Posted by paulaf (Post 33095438)
It just blocks me on the date of birth, can't get past that.

I first entered my NHS number, so assuming if there was underlying health conditions, that would override the DOB.

VickiSoCal Mar 12, 2021 8:39 am


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33095066)
I think you can regard those dates as the worst case scenario. I am guessing your daughter is under 30 with none of the long list of trigger health conditions, not homeless, not caring for someone, not in prison, not in a religious order. This would be the last group to be vaccinated, and that will be an interesting one, since they won't be holding back age groups for it, but will be trying to hoover up the slow adopters from the older age groups. Once an age group starts, the precise age won't make much difference for long. Yes they will start with those age 29 but fairly soon I'll be seeing people aged 23 and 25 mixed in with those 27. So 29 is very different from 31, but 27 is not so different to 29. Students don't have any priority as such, but commonsense says it's pretty vital they get done ASAP, so when this group opens up for vaccines, I would imagine many educational institutions will be doing all they can to ensure students get jabbed before the summer term is out.

The current commitment is that everyone in the UK will be offered a vaccine by 31 July. This is now seems very relaxed, but it didn't feel like that when the date was set. She is in the Thames Valley area if I recall, so my guess is she will be done early June, maybe late May, she could try deferrring this, but I would strongly advise against delaying by even 1 day. For the second jab, particularly if AZ, I would relax about that given her age. For Moderna and Pfizer it probably is best to stick to the 3 month timetable, but for AZ there is some evidence that a 4 month gap is better than 2 months and that would very much apply to those who were younger/healthy. She will not get a choice on vaccine, you can assume AZ is the most likely. Anyone who presents themselves for their second vaccine at 4 months will be regarded as having successfully completed the course, with no follow-up, that's for all vaccines.

We have seen how the timeline seems to compress (in a good way) fairly quickly, so some people above appear pleasantly surprised to be called in a few weeks before they expect. The critical thing in England and Wales is to have an NHS number with your correct address AND be on a NHS GP register. That effectively gives you 2 chances of being called in, but we're pretty good at avoiding 2 invitations. If she is not on a GP register, well that is something she should sort out today, it doesn't cost anything, it's just a simple form and it should take a few minutes. Links upthread.

Which brings us on to Scotland. Firstly it should be OK but she should monitor it, I bet her Scottish educational establishment will also be watching this too, they are only too aware how vaccines are critical to survival. When she arrives in Scotland, the GP system is nearly identifical, so she should register with a local practice, and this then generates a CHIN. That's a Community Health Index Number, which is a more detailed version of the NHS number, It has the date of birth in it, and the ninth digit should be an even number for females. Her English records should automatically transfer to the the Scottish system. CHIN and NHS Numbers are not the same as National Insurance Numbers, the latter has letters in it as well as numbers. The CHIN and GP registration should trigger the second vaccine alert, but of course when she registers with the new GP she should point out the previous vaccination date.

Strangely I have vaccinated 3 Californians, 2 for Los Angees and one from San Diego. I assume it's the University that attracts them to Newcastle rather than the weather!

Thanks, yes, she is 22 and dead last, my only concern is her year long internship in Thames Valley area ends mid July, we are hoping she can come to California for a bit before her final year at St. Andrews starts in Sept. I guess we will tentatively plan for second jab to be at home if Pfizer or Moderna and at St. Andrews if AZ. She is registered at local GP and was previously registered in St. Andrews so she knows how all that works! A pretty large chunk of St. A students are English and yes, I assume the admin is VERY anxious to get them vaxxed and back in the classroom/lab.

Our next bit of fun is taxes! She has no NI number because that has all been shut down since last spring and is working with an exemption.

cauchy Mar 12, 2021 8:56 am


Originally Posted by VickiSoCal (Post 33095530)
Our next bit of fun is taxes! She has no NI number because that has all been shut down since last spring and is working with an exemption.

Do you know what her tax code is? Is it 1250L - if so, it's very likely her taxes are all in order and nothing will be due or refunded.

corporate-wage-slave Mar 12, 2021 9:03 am


Originally Posted by GregWTravels (Post 33095415)
Looking at that list, though, I don't qualify. I do have some health conditions (a BMI over 30, but not over 40 as on the list; and hypertension, though not with any complications). I wonder if they are expanding the underlying conditions from that initial list to be a bit more liberal?

Anyway, long and short of the story is it's worth checking on the website to see if you can get a vaccine appointment.

You are unlikely to ever find out. They may have got your height wrong, some people are down with high BMIs by mistake, most notoriously the 6ft 3 Liverpool journalist who ended up on the computer as 6.3 cm and thus a BMI measuring over 10,000. The other thing that can happen is that GP surgeries can't micro-manage of every patient, so if someome has a lot of hypertension records on the system they may have applied an "if in doubt" approach, rather than delving into all the details, which is good actually. But I think Swanhunter's suggestion may also be true.

No harm checking the main website eveyr day or two. The only thing I would say is that if it offers a date a long way off and you hear locally from your neighbours / Facebook that your cohort is being done now, then you can perhaps gamble on leaving it to see if your GP will do you sooner. This system has a bias to the national centres and pharmacies rather than GP units.. GP units normally contact people 0 to 5 days before their jabs.. But the most important thing is to get your vaccine at the first opportunity, even delaying 24 hours isn't good.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/corona...s-vaccination/

VickiSoCal Mar 12, 2021 11:58 am


Originally Posted by cauchy (Post 33095577)
Do you know what her tax code is? Is it 1250L - if so, it's very likely her taxes are all in order and nothing will be due or refunded.

I think so. Her salary is around 16,000 but as the internship runs July to July she shouldn't hit the cap by April.

drsabs Mar 12, 2021 12:49 pm


Originally Posted by VickiSoCal (Post 33095530)
I guess we will tentatively plan for second jab to be at home if Pfizer or Moderna and at St. Andrews if AZ.

Good luck sorting it out. This reminds of a more general question. I’m 40 and in London. From what c-w-s said above, I’m likely to get offered my first jab within the next month. However I’m leaving the UK to emigrate to Australia at the end of April. Is there any guidance on whether I should take my first dose here before I go? Keeping in mind the Australians are a bit behind on vaccines so I may not be able to get my second dose on time there.

Swanhunter Mar 12, 2021 1:10 pm


Originally Posted by Dan1113 (Post 33095061)
I do two lateral flow tests a week as part of my work and report them online. Same with my partner. Are all of these contributing to the test statistics? No wonder the positivity rate is so low if all of the staff taking it contribute to that.

they are counted towards the number of tests, but the positivity of LFD and PCR are tracked separately for clinical and use case reasons.

corporate-wage-slave Mar 12, 2021 1:49 pm


Originally Posted by drsabs (Post 33096118)
Is there any guidance on whether I should take my first dose here before I go? Keeping in mind the Australians are a bit behind on vaccines so I may not be able to get my second dose on time there.

I haven't seen any specific guidance on this sort of scenario. My advice would be to take any vaccine in the UK at the first opportunity since all the vaccines give a hefty level of protection after 3 weeks or so. You would then be unlucky to catch Covid in your early months in Australia, given the very low level of infection there, so you can go with the flow once there. This would be under whatever protocols Australia would have for this, but hypothetically if you were heading from say Israel to the UK, we would endeavour to give you the second vaccine - same vaccine - within 3 months, if we had no alternative we would offer another vaccine to keep to 3 months. If you ended up going past 3 months then we would still try to give you the same vaccine, but failing that another type, and it would currently "count", your course of treatment is regarded as successfully completed. In immunity terms this needs assessment after a certain point in time, and we don't know when that is, so it wouldn't surprise me if your Australian GP advised you to start again, and hoping you don't have bad side effects it should keep you nicely protected.

If you are plus 40 today, I would expect you to be invited to be vaccinated in the next 3 weeks, depending on where you live, given what I can see of the vaccine supply next week and the week after.

ahmetdouas Mar 12, 2021 3:38 pm

The telegraph is claiming all over 40's will be offered vaccines by Easter!

Come on open!
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...20ee488349.png
​​​​​​https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...oost-supplies/

cauchy Mar 12, 2021 4:01 pm


Originally Posted by VickiSoCal (Post 33095974)
I think so. Her salary is around 16,000 but as the internship runs July to July she shouldn't hit the cap by April.

It's probably easiest to wait until the job is done, then follow the instructions here: https://www.gov.uk/claim-tax-refund . The form she'll want is the P50 - it's quite a common issue for students and they do get their money back.

Note that most people in the UK are clueless about their tax situation: the tax is just pulled from their salaries. A minority has to fill in a tax return (known as "self-assessment"), e.g. if earning over 100k, self-employed, or a landlord.

paulaf Mar 12, 2021 5:16 pm


Originally Posted by ahmetdouas (Post 33096499)
The telegraph is claiming all over 40's will be offered vaccines by Easter!

Come on open!
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...20ee488349.png
​​​​​​https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...oost-supplies/

I completely agree hearing this news we should open up earlier, but according to CWS the HMG defence will be that we need to give this group (who only suffer very low levels of death or hospitalisations) another 3 weeks for immunity to build up!


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