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Originally Posted by flashware
(Post 33767901)
I suspect the variant has been around for longer and it's just gone undetected. Does anyone know how well rapid tests pickup the infection? Does it still easily show up as positive? I know there were some previous comments saying that due to the number of things LFT's do look for it should show up, but wondering if it's been confirmed or just theoretical?
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Originally Posted by flashware
(Post 33767901)
I suspect the variant has been around for longer and it's just gone undetected. Does anyone know how well rapid tests pickup the infection? Does it still easily show up as positive? I know there were some previous comments saying that due to the number of things LFT's do look for it should show up, but wondering if it's been confirmed or just theoretical?
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Originally Posted by Internaut
(Post 33768003)
Which begs little questions like just how long it has been around, where did it really originate and just what percentage of PCR tests are actually sequenced in the UK?
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Originally Posted by DaveS
(Post 33768037)
With the NHS there could be a 5 week waiting list for sequencing!
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Originally Posted by Internaut
(Post 33768149)
Ahh, so this little nasty could be well on its way to dominance already?
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Cases 42,583 (44,917 last Monday) Deaths 35 (45) People vaccinated up to and including 28 November 2021: First dose: 50,941,327 Second dose: 46,341,057 Booster: 17,896,864 The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now up 3.7% on the previous week and the same measure for deaths is down 18.4%. The rolling 7 day daily average for deaths is 119.7 today. |
Two changes today for England
Self isolation after being notified as a close contact https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/1338/made - for a close contact of someone who has tested positive for coronavirus and is suspected/confirmed as having omicron, the exemptions from self-isolation (those taking part in covid research, fully vaccinated, participating in a clinical vaccine trial, or clinically unable to be vaccinated) do not apply - effective 0400 30 Nov - nothing about including non UK vaccines as exemptions from self isolation, this was touted as being done from 1 Dec so perhaps in another SI due out beforehand or even no longer being done? Face coverings England https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/.../contents/made - effective 0400 30 Nov - face coverings required in shops, enclosed shopping centres, post offices, banks, in a car during driving tests, on public transport and in a transport hub - not required in cafes, restaurants, bars, pubs |
Originally Posted by KARFA
(Post 33768520)
Two changes today for England
Self isolation after being notified as a close contact https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/1338/made - for a close contact of someone who has tested positive for coronavirus and is suspected/confirmed as having omicron, the exemptions from self-isolation (those taking part in covid research, fully vaccinated, participating in a clinical vaccine trial, or clinically unable to be vaccinated) do not apply - effective 0400 30 Nov - nothing about including non UK vaccines as exemptions from self isolation, this was touted as being done from 1 Dec so perhaps in another SI due out beforehand or even no longer being done? Face coverings England https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/.../contents/made - effective 0400 30 Nov - face coverings required in shops, enclosed shopping centres, post offices, banks, in a car during driving tests, on public transport and in a transport hub - not required in cafes, restaurants, bars, pubs |
Originally Posted by KARFA
(Post 33768520)
Face coverings England
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/.../contents/made - effective 0400 30 Nov - face coverings required in shops, enclosed shopping centres, post offices, banks, in a car during driving tests, on public transport and in a transport hub - not required in cafes, restaurants, bars, pubs |
Originally Posted by slicktony
(Post 33769497)
They do seem to be being dragged kicking and screaming towards doing the right thing but am pleased to see the (English) Gov are finally encouraging more sensible precautions. The contrast on arriving in Berlin this evening (c.99% compliance) and three tubes on London earlier (maybe 50-60% compliance) couldn’t have been starker.
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Originally Posted by KARFA
(Post 33769532)
Well that certainly is one point of view. You might have a look at current infection rates in Germany and draw some conclusions about how effective this 99% face mask compliance has actually been.
....alternatively you might draw conclusions about just how bad the situation might have been in Germany if face mask compliance hadn't been so high. |
Originally Posted by IAN-UK
(Post 33769697)
....alternatively you might draw conclusions about just how bad the situation might have been in Germany if face mask compliance hadn't been so high.
It's also interesting to see that within the UK there is little if any difference between areas which maintained mask mandates post July (Scotland and Wales) and areas which didn't (England). I am sure the effect of masks isn't zero, but it seems pretty insignificant based on real world experience. Fundamentally the only real way we have found that infection rates can be controlled is to stop mixing of households. |
Originally Posted by KARFA
(Post 33769532)
Well that certainly is one point of view. You might have a look at current infection rates in Germany and draw some conclusions about how effective this 99% face mask compliance has actually been.
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Originally Posted by KARFA
(Post 33769532)
Well that certainly is one point of view. You might have a look at current infection rates in Germany and draw some conclusions about how effective this 99% face mask compliance has actually been.
Edit - Apologies KARFA. I responded before reading your follow up comment. Of course you are right that there are a range of different factors. But equally, masks are a simple prophylactic measure that have been repeatedly shown to lower the spread of respiratory diseases. The UK government has repeatedly placed personal responsibility above public health nudges and people have responded accordingly. And the human costs of those decisions have, in my view, been great. |
Originally Posted by Blackwaya
(Post 33768570)
The BBC was reporting earlier that if you're contacted by T&T, there were no longer any exemptions from the requirement to self-isolate. As you note here, it seems only those who can't be vaccinated or are part of a trial are listed in the actual legislation. Maybe they jumped the gun?
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