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DaveS Nov 10, 2021 9:23 am

Daily data:

Cases 39,329 (41,299 last Wednesday)
Deaths 214 (217)
Patients admitted 823 (895 on the 30th)
Patients in hospital 8,859 (9,598 on the 2nd)
Patients in ventilation beds 1,023 (1,024 on the 2nd)
People vaccinated up to and including 9 November 2021:
First dose: 50,336,130
Second dose: 45,894,237
Booster: 10,920,416

The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now down 14.7% on the previous week and the same measure for deaths is up 1.4%. The rolling 7 day daily average for deaths is 165.3 today.

squawk Nov 10, 2021 11:53 am

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Originally Posted by DaveS (Post 33717416)
Daily data:

Cases 39,329 (41,299 last Wednesday)
Deaths 214 (217)
Patients admitted 823 (895 on the 30th)
Patients in hospital 8,859 (9,598 on the 2nd)
Patients in ventilation beds 1,023 (1,024 on the 2nd)
People vaccinated up to and including 9 November 2021:
First dose: 50,336,130
Second dose: 45,894,237
Booster: 10,920,416

The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now down 14.7% on the previous week and the same measure for deaths is up 1.4%. The rolling 7 day daily average for deaths is 165.3 today.

It is good to see the numbers dropping. However, it is also interesting in light of the current situation from here in Germany, where cases are currently rapidly increasing. There were 39,676 new cases today, and the last week has seen the record high numbers broken several times.

PxC Nov 10, 2021 1:57 pm

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Originally Posted by squawk (Post 33717879)
It is good to see the numbers dropping. However, it is also interesting in light of the current situation from here in Germany, where cases are currently rapidly increasing. There were 39,676 new cases today, and the last week has seen the record high numbers broken several times.

and still the big positivity %? Which suggests the numbers are much higher I guess. Austria 11k today with a population 1/7 of the UK

EDDLEGLL Nov 10, 2021 2:07 pm

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Originally Posted by PxC (Post 33718257)
and still the big positivity %? Which suggests the numbers are much higher I guess. Austria 11k today with a population 1/7 of the UK

I know we are going off topic but in Germany a large proportion of PCR tests are “confirmative”, i.e. to validate a positive LFT test, skewing the positivity rate.

Also, the decentralised nature of literally everything “Covid-19 response”-related makes it difficult for Germany to properly aggregate the number of tests conducted (whereas the reporting of positive tests has gotten a lot more reliable).

The same applies to the number of vaccines administered unfortunately.

corporate-wage-slave Nov 10, 2021 3:51 pm

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Originally Posted by squawk (Post 33716565)
Seeing your question, I recalled seeing some information on this but couldn't remember the details. I have just read through the relevant part of the latest version of the 'Green Book'. It suggests the delay is primarily to avoid confusing side effects. The top of p29 (my bold):
It is not clear if this applies only to first/second doses, or also to boosters. More importantly, from the dates you have provided, you should be well clear of the 4 week window.

However, I would defer to corporate-wage-slave (or a suitably qualified medical professional) for a comprehensive answer on this.

Yes, it's 4 weeks from a positive PCR, so no-one is supposed to be vaccinated within a month of having COVID, and that applies for First, Second, Third and Booster doses, however Third Primary doses may be prescribed via a doctor / prescribing nurse / prescribing paramedic and theoretically could be sooner than 4 weeks, not that I've come across a case of that.

Internaut Nov 10, 2021 4:24 pm

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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33718558)
Yes, it's 4 weeks from a positive PCR, so no-one is supposed to be vaccinated within a month of having COVID, and that applies for First, Second, Third and Booster doses, however Third Primary doses may be prescribed via a doctor / prescribing nurse / prescribing paramedic and theoretically could be sooner than 4 weeks, not that I've come across a case of that.

Thanks squawk and corporate-wage-slave . I’m planning my first flight in almost two years, December, and now hope to be at least two weeks boosted before the flight.

Dan1113 Nov 11, 2021 6:25 am

"Valneva has also met Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon. Mr Lawrence said it was with a view to supplying doses directly to Scotland in the future."

KARFA Nov 11, 2021 6:37 am

Certainly seems very good news atm in the UK with cases falling consistently for nearly three weeks now. I am surprised this doesn't seem to have as much prominence in the news as when cases were rising a few weeks ago.



Daily hospital admissions appear to have plateaued with some evidence of starting to decrease, although it's a bit too early to tell yet.

Internaut Nov 11, 2021 7:56 am

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Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 33719967)
Certainly seems very good news atm in the UK with cases falling consistently for nearly three weeks now. I am surprised this doesn't seem to have as much prominence in the news as when cases were rising a few weeks ago.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/sta...908168197?s=20

Daily hospital admissions appear to have plateaued with some evidence of starting to decrease, although it's a bit too early to tell yet.

I think bigging up a Christmas lockdown sells more newspapers and ad space.

KARFA Nov 11, 2021 7:59 am

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Originally Posted by Internaut (Post 33720153)
I think bigging up a Christmas lockdown sells more newspapers and ad space.

I am sure it does.

I guess my view is the news media should have a purpose of informing the public, especially for those parts of the news media who don't have the problem of having shareholders as well. Unfortunately they are failing at this, I am sure if you went and asked members of the public what the situation is atm many would think cases are still rising.

Of course it doesn't also help when the NHS chief executive says a few days ago that hospital admissions are 14 times higher than last year. I will be generous and say that she is just ignorant since this is not remotely true. I appreciate some may think that deliberately exaggerating the threat may help persuade the reluctant to get jabbed, but I don't believe there is such a thing as virtuous lie here.

Kgmm77 Nov 11, 2021 8:49 am

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Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 33720161)
I am sure it does.

I guess my view is the new media should have a purpose of informing the public, especially for those parts of the news media who don't have the problem of having shareholders as well. Unfortunately they are failing at this, I am sure if you went and asked members of the public what the situation is atm many would think cases are still rising.

Of course it doesn't also help when the NHS chief executive says a few days ago that hospital admissions are 14 times higher than last year. I will be generous and say that she is just ignorant since this is not remotely true. I appreciate some may think that deliberately exaggerating the threat may help persuade the reluctant to get jabbed, but I don't believe there is such a thing as virtuous lie here.

I have a very different view on what the role of the media is than you do. It is the Government’s job to communicate important messages. It is the media’s job to hold them to account.

Perhaps the lack of positivity (pardon the pun) is because we’ve been here before, multiple times. In reality nobody knows where the virus trajectory will go next and to claim otherwise would be foolish. Hopefully 2022 will see the peaks getting progressively lower as we continue to learn to live with it endemically, but really that’s at best an educated guess.

KARFA Nov 11, 2021 8:55 am

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Originally Posted by Kgmm77 (Post 33720287)
I have a very different view on what the role of the media is than you do. It is the Government’s job to communicate important messages. It is the media’s job to hold them to account.

Perhaps the lack of positivity (pardon the pun) is because we’ve been here before, multiple times. In reality nobody knows where the virus trajectory will go next and to claim otherwise would be foolish. Hopefully 2022 will see the peaks getting progressively lower as we continue to learn to live with it endemically, but really that’s at best an educated guess.

Indeed you may be right that we don't know the future trajectory. I am not suggesting otherwise, although I would be warry of suggesting that news on nearly three weeks of falling cases cannot be reported now just in case the trend could reverse in the future and numbers could go back up.

My point is the news is not properly reporting the current status, whereas they were falling over themselves to do so a few weeks ago regardless of whether the government was keen to communicate that at the time.

fransknorge Nov 11, 2021 9:07 am

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Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 33720161)
I am sure it does.

I guess my view is the news media should have a purpose of informing the public, especially for those parts of the news media who don't have the problem of having shareholders as well. Unfortunately they are failing at this, I am sure if you went and asked members of the public what the situation is atm many would think cases are still rising.

Of course it doesn't also help when the NHS chief executive says a few days ago that hospital admissions are 14 times higher than last year. I will be generous and say that she is just ignorant since this is not remotely true. I appreciate some may think that deliberately exaggerating the threat may help persuade the reluctant to get jabbed, but I don't believe there is such a thing as virtuous lie here.

She was neither ignorant nor lying. What she said is true but is missing context, hence why everybody jumped on it.
She compared the months of August, there were 1629 COVID hospital admissions in August 2020 vs. 22 877 in August 2021. This is a difference of 14 times. This was clarified subsequently following the misinterpretation from the media due to the missing context. The numbers are easy to verify.

KARFA Nov 11, 2021 9:16 am

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Originally Posted by fransknorge (Post 33720338)
She was neither ignorant nor lying. What she said is true but is missing context, hence why everybody jumped on it.
She compared the months of August, there were 1629 COVID hospital admissions in August 2020 vs. 22 877 in August 2021. This is a difference of 14 times. This was clarified subsequently following the misinterpretation from the media due to the missing context. The numbers are easy to verify.

Sure, because when you are trying to tell people 2 days ago what the situation is in hospitals it's important to mention one day in August three months ago where it happened to be 14 times higher. I am sure the figures for that day in August are highly relevant to explaining to the public the current situation in hospitals. I can't help feeling readers of this thread would be better informed that those listening to what she said ;)

As I said, I will be generous and saying she gave wrong information due to ignorance rather than anything deliberate.

DaveS Nov 11, 2021 9:20 am

Daily data:

Cases 42,408 (37,269 last Thursday)
Deaths 195 (214)
Patients admitted 868 (1,008 on the 31st)
Patients in hospital 8,767 (9,373 on the 3rd)
Patients in ventilation beds 1,008 (1,019 on the 3rd)
People vaccinated up to and including 10 November 2021:
First dose: 50,455,318
Second dose: 45,942,003
Booster: 11,452,654

The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now down 12.0% on the previous week and the same measure for deaths is down 4.4%. The rolling 7 day daily average for deaths is 162.5 today. Despite the higher number of cases today, it is a long while since we have seen the averages for both cases and deaths fall on the same day.


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