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Originally Posted by fransknorge (Post 33702500)

Post 7717 does not show vaccine hesitancy in pockets of society, it shows vaccine penetration. Lower vaccine intakes is not only due to hesitancy but also to vaccination opportunity (difficult to get there when you work 12 hours a day and your boss forbids you to take time off for vaccination, no public transport, low mobility, etc…) and with medical following (some people do not know they can get the vaccine). Vaccine uptake is linked to income, high education and jobs. This is observed in multiple European countries, you need to go to those people because they will not come to you.

Where does your chart show that?

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Originally Posted by lhrsfo (Post 33701854)

Not sure how you can conflate Brexit supporters (who are popularly believed to be mainly white) with people who are anti vax (who, by their inaction on getting vaccinated, are mainly not white). I’m sure there are many reasons people have for not being vaccinated but a distaste for Brussels isn’t one of them.

The first survey out on this topic (and you have to treat these surveys with kid gloves) suggests that there’s a correlation between Labour supporters and anti vaxxers, which is precisely the opposite to what is believed to be the case in the USA.

You are missing a point in my post: I’m talking about my local area in West London.

I can very much put my local anti vaxxers and the Brexit campaigners under the same umbrella because - again, locally - they were the same people.

The people I saw sticking posters and writing on the local forums are the same people who had a stall outside Waitrose on our local high street in the heady days before the referendum, peddling all sorts of ideas such as Turkey joining the EU and immigration. They then were on the local forums to try and rally up some support againtst Cycle Superhighway 9, the latest flashpoint of the war.My local area isn’t that big and the loud minority is fairly small.

I think more interesting would be to try and understand why people who haven't had a vaccine yet have made that choice, rather than linking it to any political views - otherwise you just create yet another "us" and "them" situation where everyone digs their heals in.

I would like as many people as possible to get the vaccine. Where people have concerns I want them to be able to talk about them with a medical professional to try and work through them.

Also we must recognise that at the end of the day, whether you agree with their reasons or not, some people will choose not to have the vaccine and that is their right to make that choice.

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Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 33702812)

I don't know if you're pointing at me. But in case you are, I'd like to underline that I haven't linked vaccine hesitancy to Brexiteers. See my post below, which is the one that triggered lhrsfo's question. In this post I'm saying that I actually don't think that those ethnic groups that are low in vaccinations are so because they are following anti-vaxxers. The contrary, in facts. I'm saying that our "local anti-vaxxers" are a small group of white, middle-class, older people who, incidentally, also campaigned for Brexit, against cycling and so on. The Venn diagram doesn't overlap with the local minorities methink. It doesn't from an ethnic, economic, even geographic point of view.

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Originally Posted by 13901 (Post 33701019)

I don't know. I must admit I haven't spent too much time thinking about this topic, but from what I understand (and I welcome corrections) the demographics that are lagging behind in terms of vaccinations in London are minority groups. For instance, over here in W3/W4, the Somali community is lagging behind from what I hear from I might be stepping too far here, but somehow I don't see the Somali ladies in my neighbourhood falling for the anti-vaxx propaganda of our local "activists" (who, BTW, are the same who campaign against cycling infrastructure, were manning the gazebos for Brexit and are vocally anti-LTNs).

Maybe there's the fact that there was very little information in languages other than English or targeted towards minorities (the only thing I saw was some billboards aimed at the West African diaspora, who here in Ealing is non-existent) and, obviously, the fact that you can't get an appointment to a GP for love or money.

Just my 2p's worth.

Germany has announced that everyone will be eligible for a booster 6 months after their second dose. Will we follow? It'll become complicated for travel if it becomes an expectation and we can't get it

Do boosters show in the UK vaccine passport?

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Originally Posted by Dan1113 (Post 33704316)

they don’t show in the travel pass, but they show in the list of medicines, if you have that part of the NHS app enabled. It only shows the date and the type, if you want to prove it is you you probably need to also show your little card that will have your name and the batch number.

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Originally Posted by bluemoon68 (Post 33704457)

In Scotland there is no card not a medicine section so neither of those would work for us.

One clear problem that’s incredibly tricky to help solve, is that some of these people who haven’t had a jab have being using social media as their form of resource regarding covid.

A incredibly huge amount of misinformation exists out there and is easy to fall upon should you start looking. All it takes is a connection to share something controversial and unfounded for you to click on it then the algorithm will surface more of this. If you end up in a few months cycle of seeing misinformation then you are very much down the rabbit hole and your real world personal choices and/or beliefs become subconsciously impacted. This is regardless of politics or demographics. This is a serious problem we can all help address, one example is reporting any content you know or question to be fact using the report tools on these platforms.

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Originally Posted by bluemoon68 (Post 33704457)

What about if you request for the letter to be delivered in the post? Does it show on that?

Daily data:

Cases 34,029 (43,467 last Friday)
Deaths 193 (186)
Patients admitted 1,072 (1,047 on the 25th)
Patients in hospital 9,160 (9,035 on the 28th)
Patients in ventilation beds 1,019 (944 on the 28th)
People vaccinated up to and including 4 November 2021:
First dose: 50,156,656
Second dose: 45,790,934
Booster: 9,347,074

The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now down 8.2% on the previous week and the same measure for deaths is up 12.3%. The rolling 7 day daily average for deaths is 171.0 today.

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Originally Posted by Dan1113 (Post 33704316)

Iceland is following with boosters for all.

https://news.sky.com/story/pfizers-n...icate-12460628

A pill that cuts hospitalisations and deaths by 89%. On top of vaccines, the end of Covid in terms of its impact on our lives? If there is any left.

Also, does anyone know what impact the booster has on transmission? I did read a while back it was a big improvement. I wonder if double dose + delta would be similar

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Originally Posted by Dan1113 (Post 33704316)

I'm just out of Boots for my flu jab, and I overheard a conversation where they said they'd take anyone as walk-ins for a booster with the only requirement of being 182 days past dose 2. So if you want one and are eligible, I think you'll be OK.

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Originally Posted by alex67500 (Post 33704914)

I didn’t know Boots was doing Boosters.

I got my flu shot at Boots in September :)

Indeed, my mother was delighted that Boots are offering boosters as her own GP surgery are waiting until they have a critical mass of 6 months + since last shot patients before they commence (which seems sub-optimal for those 70+ who got AZ first time around).