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Silver Fox Nov 3, 2021 11:50 am


Originally Posted by Scots_Al (Post 33698068)
It’s a good job he’s technically on UN territory rather than Scottish territory, where he would be breaking the law…

Well if it's good enough for Nicola....

Dan1113 Nov 3, 2021 1:33 pm

Very very high Scottish cases today.

Ardecos Nov 3, 2021 2:41 pm


Originally Posted by Dan1113 (Post 33699239)
Very very high Scottish cases today.

Catching up on reporting problems yesterday.These problems seem to be getting more common recently.

13901 Nov 4, 2021 2:20 am

I'm seeing quite an offensive of no-vaxxers here in West London. Some of the underpasses beneath the A4 have been plastered with no-vaxx stickers, there have been graffiti daubed on a number of gazebos and various installations along the Thames, adverts have been defaced with more no-vaxx nonsense and yesterday on Goldhawk road there was a woman (white lady in her 50s) going around with a large placard with some idiocy about people dying because of the vaccines. I have to say she was either ignored or at best sneered at.

13901 Nov 4, 2021 2:28 am

The mask situation on London's public transport is depressing. There is a mask mandate but, as it seems, the chances of it being enforced are next to none:


Only 1 in 66,000 barred from Tube travel for not wearing face mask, figures reveal

Between July 19 and October 21, 364 people were prevented from boarding a train or entering a TfL station

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...n-b963644.html

Silver Fox Nov 4, 2021 5:43 am


Originally Posted by 13901 (Post 33700797)
I'm seeing quite an offensive of no-vaxxers here in West London. Some of the underpasses beneath the A4 have been plastered with no-vaxx stickers, there have been graffiti daubed on a number of gazebos and various installations along the Thames, adverts have been defaced with more no-vaxx nonsense and yesterday on Goldhawk road there was a woman (white lady in her 50s) going around with a large placard with some idiocy about people dying because of the vaccines. I have to say she was either ignored or at best sneered at.

Well it seems to have worked looking at the pathetic amount of people that have had their second doses in some boroughs.

13901 Nov 4, 2021 6:12 am


Originally Posted by Silver Fox (Post 33700977)
Well it seems to have worked looking at the pathetic amount of people that have had their second doses in some boroughs.

I don't know. I must admit I haven't spent too much time thinking about this topic, but from what I understand (and I welcome corrections) the demographics that are lagging behind in terms of vaccinations in London are minority groups. For instance, over here in W3/W4, the Somali community is lagging behind from what I hear from I might be stepping too far here, but somehow I don't see the Somali ladies in my neighbourhood falling for the anti-vaxx propaganda of our local "activists" (who, BTW, are the same who campaign against cycling infrastructure, were manning the gazebos for Brexit and are vocally anti-LTNs).

Maybe there's the fact that there was very little information in languages other than English or targeted towards minorities (the only thing I saw was some billboards aimed at the West African diaspora, who here in Ealing is non-existent) and, obviously, the fact that you can't get an appointment to a GP for love or money.

Just my 2p's worth.

fransknorge Nov 4, 2021 7:01 am

Yes, one of the main problem is disparity by ethnic groups, and it seems the program did not include going to those persons.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDQbscNW...ng&name=medium

DaveS Nov 4, 2021 10:14 am

Daily data:

Cases 37,269 (39,842 last Thursday)
Deaths 214 (165)
Patients admitted 1,005 (968 on the 24th)
Patients in hospital 9,311 (8,968 on the 27th)
Patients in ventilation beds 1,019 (945 on the 27th)
People vaccinated up to and including 3 November 2021:
First dose: 50,112,925
Second dose: 45,770,452
Booster: 9,012,676

The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now down 6.9% on the previous week and the same measure for deaths is up 12.3%. The rolling 7 day daily average for deaths is 170.0 today.

lhrsfo Nov 4, 2021 11:11 am


Originally Posted by 13901 (Post 33701019)
I don't know. I must admit I haven't spent too much time thinking about this topic, but from what I understand (and I welcome corrections) the demographics that are lagging behind in terms of vaccinations in London are minority groups. For instance, over here in W3/W4, the Somali community is lagging behind from what I hear from I might be stepping too far here, but somehow I don't see the Somali ladies in my neighbourhood falling for the anti-vaxx propaganda of our local "activists" (who, BTW, are the same who campaign against cycling infrastructure, were manning the gazebos for Brexit and are vocally anti-LTNs).

Maybe there's the fact that there was very little information in languages other than English or targeted towards minorities (the only thing I saw was some billboards aimed at the West African diaspora, who here in Ealing is non-existent) and, obviously, the fact that you can't get an appointment to a GP for love or money.

Just my 2p's worth.

Not sure how you can conflate Brexit supporters (who are popularly believed to be mainly white) with people who are anti vax (who, by their inaction on getting vaccinated, are mainly not white). I’m sure there are many reasons people have for not being vaccinated but a distaste for Brussels isn’t one of them.

The first survey out on this topic (and you have to treat these surveys with kid gloves) suggests that there’s a correlation between Labour supporters and anti vaxxers, which is precisely the opposite to what is believed to be the case in the USA.

fransknorge Nov 4, 2021 1:13 pm

There is distinct and observed link between being pro-Brexit and anti-vax:
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/co...atterns-886803

People who voted for Brexit are less enthusiastic about having a coronavirus vaccine, new research suggested yesterday.

A survey by YouGov for Oxford University showed Remainers are nearly 7 percentage points more likely to have the jab than people who voted Leave in the 2016 referendum, 93.8 per cent compared to 87.1 per cent.

corporate-wage-slave Nov 4, 2021 1:59 pm

Cod science. Brexit voters tended to be poorer and have lower educational outcomes compared to Remain voters. Poverty and those who left school at 14 or 16 tend to have poor health outcomes, across the board, and tend to die younger too. This isn't a uniform picture, so Sunderland (Brexit voting) has slightly better vaccine stats than Newcastle (Remain). You could therefore make the same argument that cat owners are more likely to have had the vaccine compared to goldfish owners.

KARFA Nov 4, 2021 2:03 pm

I can't see what the relevance is of one to the other?

I am not sure this really helps explain levels of vaccine hesitancy seen in certain pockets of society as shown in post 7717, or really provides any insight as to how we may address concerns they have about having vaccine.

corporate-wage-slave Nov 4, 2021 2:07 pm


Originally Posted by fransknorge (Post 33701120)
Yes, one of the main problem is disparity by ethnic groups, and it seems the program did not include going to those persons.

We have and continue to spend more effort of reaching minority ethnic groups than the majority population. It's just much harder work. So we went to the masjid teachers and leaders, for example, to gain their support, we didn't go to Anglican or Catholic priests. We've set up vaccine centres in masjids, and gone door to door in Benwell - we've not done that in Jesmond. It's interesting the above stats didn't include Persian/Iranian vax stats, where our figure is way over 100%, we vaccinated more Iranians than are listed as living in Newcastle. Iran itself will get a high vaccine rate in due course. I suspect our Kerala Indian residents are also all fully vaccinated. So quite understandably, people from minority ethnic backgrounds do sometimes retain aspects of their heritage, which makes our job both harder but more important.

fransknorge Nov 4, 2021 2:38 pm


Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 33702383)
I can't see what the relevance is of one to the other?

I am not sure this really helps explain levels of vaccine hesitancy seen in certain pockets of society as shown in post 7717, or really provides any insight as to how we may address concerns they have about having vaccine.

Post 7717 does not show vaccine hesitancy in pockets of society, it shows vaccine penetration. Lower vaccine intakes is not only due to hesitancy but also to vaccination opportunity (difficult to get there when you work 12 hours a day and your boss forbids you to take time off for vaccination, no public transport, low mobility, etc…) and with medical following (some people do not know they can get the vaccine). Vaccine uptake is linked to income, high education and jobs. This is observed in multiple European countries, you need to go to those people because they will not come to you.


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