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VickiSoCal Jul 6, 2021 9:30 am

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Originally Posted by NickB (Post 33384047)
Is it really just a personal choice? Clubbers mix with other people outside clubs. It does not look to me like a purely personal choice issue.

Exactly. My half vaxxed 20something does not club, but a bunch of other 20 somethings she interacts with do. The sooner she gets back here and gets second Pfizer jab the better.

bluemoon68 Jul 6, 2021 11:12 am

Data point: Possibly in an effort to avoid me vaccinating him, my son has managed to get a spare vaccine from Haggerston Pharmacy (London E8). They were allocating spares according to how long ago you had your first jab. He has a 6 week gap.

fransknorge Jul 6, 2021 12:01 pm

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Originally Posted by DaveS (Post 33384799)
Daily data:

Cases 28,773 (20,479 last Tuesday)
Deaths 37 (23)
Patients admitted 406 (265 on the 23rd)
Patients in hospital 2,140 (1,585 on the 27th)
Patients in ventilation beds 369 (297 on the 28th)
People vaccinated up to and including 5 July 2021:
First dose: 45,428,681
Second dose: 33,874,176

The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now up 49.0% on the previous week and the same measure for deaths is up 20.3%. The rolling 7 day daily average for deaths is 20.3 today.

Some graphical representations of the data over time, in log scales. Cases are now doubling every 10 days, but there is the beginning of deceleration. Hospitalizations are doubling every 11 days. The final graph shows daily admissions vs bed occupied, with a color scale for each wave. You notice on this one the slope of the green points is lower than the blue and red one but the points are getting further apart on each iteration.

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corporate-wage-slave Jul 6, 2021 2:39 pm

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Originally Posted by DaveS (Post 33384429)
Am I missing something? Or is Covishield not the same as the Indian made version of Vaxzevria? Some here have had the Indian made version.

It's all terminology stuff really.

Covishield is the trade name of the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine, which is authorised by a National Protocol, which in turn authorises the Patient Group Direction, popularly known as a "prescription". Most prescriptions are specific to an individual, so a Patient Specific Direction, but a PGD allows everyone to get the vaccine without being named on a prescription. Mass vaccines typically get a PGD. In the Protocol the vaccine therein authorised is known as "COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca (ChAdOx1-S [recombinant])" and this has a trade name in Europe as Vaxzevria. The same process was used by the European Medicines Agency, who also authorised this vaccine under the same names. Crucially it has not authorised Covishield, even though it is identical and has the same starter compound as those vaccines made in the UK and elsewhere. The very small number of AZ batches brought over from the Serum Institute in India were purchased under the UK name and crucially sold under the control of AZ UK, as "COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, solution for injection in multidose container COVID-19 Vaccine (ChAdOx1-S [recombinant])". The word Covishield is not mentioned anywhere, not on the Protocol, on tha packing list, on the packaging, on the vials. So the Secretary of State is literally right that the UK has not administered Covishield, it wasn't described as that in terms of purchase, manufacturing or supply.

I have vaccinated for 140 days since January, and only on 2 days did I administer the Indian made batches. Though the number of "up to" 5 million doses is mentioned by the press, and I'm not allowed to give the number supplied either, nevertheless I think it's fair to say the amount supplied to the UK public is rather smaller than some of the figures bandied about recently. Furthermore even the French government is lobbying to resolve this issue since their Francophone African client states have largely been supplied by the Serum Institute under Covishield trade name, with the Quai d'Orsay bankrolling the process.

VickiSoCal Jul 6, 2021 2:41 pm

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Originally Posted by bluemoon68 (Post 33385099)
Data point: Possibly in an effort to avoid me vaccinating him, my son has managed to get a spare vaccine from Haggerston Pharmacy (London E8). They were allocating spares according to how long ago you had your first jab. He has a 6 week gap.

Ha. So I should threaten to fly over with a needle and the kid will find a way. She is only at 3.5 weeks.

LETTERBOY Jul 6, 2021 3:26 pm

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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33384306)
Logically it would follow that the travel version of this would end at a similar date.

What are the odds of HMG acting logically? :D

adrianlondon Jul 6, 2021 3:32 pm

Tomorrow's The Times is reporting a more optimistic version of the potential new travel rules.

Apologies for the large blurred photo; it was taken from Sky News's "Tomorrow's Papers" screenshots.


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corporate-wage-slave Jul 6, 2021 3:46 pm

OK I thnk we can triangulate this one now. The Daily Mail (not to be confused with the MailOnline) is also reporting the same story. giving a 19 July date. This doesn't happen by coincidence. So if Grant Shapps gets on to tomorrow's order paper for the House of Commons with a ministerial statement, then it would be for 19 July for self isolation to end for UK residents who have had both vaccines returning from Amber locations. I imagine EU vaccine pasport holders won't be too far off either. There is a lot of detail we will need to find out about though and the situation with chldren isn't clear (they may be required to do daily Lateral Flows for example).

Charles Hymas, in the Telegraph, will be well known to long serving inmates of this thread. His version includes the detail that the e-gates - or some of them - will be allocated to those double vaccinated. Passengers would upload their certificates to the airlines before departure, the airlines would submit an electronic tick to the Home Office, which would then reconcile that against the passport number. This would then allow passengers to go through the UK Border with minimal delay.

Pre departure tests and Day 2 tests remain in place for all Green and Amber locations (and self isolation for the unvaccinated and undervaccinated for Amber countries).

lhrsfo Jul 6, 2021 3:47 pm

What I don’t understand is what changes with vaccine efficacy on August 16. Why are they sufficiently effective from that date to make isolation unnecessary but not today?

HB7 Jul 6, 2021 3:47 pm

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Originally Posted by adrianlondon (Post 33385839)
Tomorrow's The Times is reporting a more optimistic version of the potential new travel rules.

Apologies for the large blurred photo; it was taken from Sky News's "Tomorrow's Papers" screenshots.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...5ce479b47e.png

I hope this is true. Just got my second dose and this would be very welcome news.

alex67500 Jul 6, 2021 3:57 pm

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Originally Posted by lhrsfo (Post 33385868)
What I don’t understand is what changes with vaccine efficacy on August 16. Why are they sufficiently effective from that date to make isolation unnecessary but not today?

It's to do with the number of jabs which can still be distributed by then, not the efficacy itself.

Dan1113 Jul 6, 2021 5:57 pm

As a teacher, I must admit, the thought of all these positive kids roaming around in my classroom - maskless - without a need to isolate gives me a bit of the fear. I am going to be putting my Pfizer chiefs to the full test and I am not sure they will win the battle.

PxC Jul 6, 2021 5:58 pm

Previously my NHS app has shown me as being fully vaccinated, with the green box.

Now I have tested positive and in isolation, it now says “No Covid 19 records found” in an orange box. My vaccinations are still listed in my health history.

Is this an error, or to stop people travelling/attending events when they are
meant to be isolating?

13901 Jul 6, 2021 11:49 pm

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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33385866)
Charles Hymas, in the Telegraph, will be well known to long serving inmates of this thread. His version includes the detail that the e-gates - or some of them - will be allocated to those double vaccinated. Passengers would upload their certificates to the airlines before departure, the airlines would submit an electronic tick to the Home Office, which would then reconcile that against the passport number. This would then allow passengers to go through the UK Border with minimal delay.

That's the smart thing to do and frankly it's something that airlines can do in a heartbeat. The APIS infrastructure is already there and it's linked up to e-Gates.

fransknorge Jul 6, 2021 11:50 pm

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Originally Posted by Dan1113 (Post 33386166)
As a teacher, I must admit, the thought of all these positive kids roaming around in my classroom - maskless - without a need to isolate gives me a bit of the fear. I am going to be putting my Pfizer chiefs to the full test and I am not sure they will win the battle.

Your classroom might be emptier than you think: currently a bit less than 10% of England pupils are isolating due to COVID and this is going up very quickly

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5nvxjGW...pg&name=medium


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